WOW, all multiplat arguments about 360 > PS3 officially over!!!!! (link)

Straight from a developers mouth working on a high profile game for the PS3.  Never before has a developer been this direct in explaing the reason behind why many games poted from the 360 to PS3 have problems.  And until another high profile developer who understnads the devleopment of these next generation consoles at this level says any diffrent, his word is law.

Lair For The PlayStation 3: A Q&A With Factor 5 Chief, Julian Eggebrecht

"Q: How do you look back at this point on the differences between the PS 3 and the Xbox 360?

A: You'll have a hard time if you port without having a PS 3 game in mind when you created the 360

version. That is where a lot of complaints are coming from. They created the 360 engine with a

unified memory architecture in mind, with the embedded frame buffer with its advantages and

disadvantages, and not thinking too much in early stages about multicore. If you try to get that

over to the PS 3, you're in for a bad surprise. The PS 3 is all about streamlining about the two

different memory pools. They are separate. You don't have to do tiling because you don't have an

embedded frame buffer. All of these advantages of the PS 3 turn into disadvantages if you don't

start making your game on the PS 3. Hence the griping. If you create first on the PS 3, it is

pretty easy to port it to the 360. A lot of companies coming on board now will probably start on

the PS 3 and move to the 360. The lucky thing for us is we didn't have to think about the 360 at

all."

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Have a nice day.  All arguments about multiplat ports created on 360 first that later get ported to PS3 are officially over.  No one on this board can say any diffrent because no one on this board knows how to develop for the PS3 better than this developer,  and no one here is making a game for any of the next generation systems (PS3/xbox360).

This deserves a sticky.  Is there any mod noble enough to do it? 

Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

lol...insane much?

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

ignore the troll.

I don't know if he's credible enough. Isn't he only working on the PS3 ?Felous1

They actually worked with the 360 arch before deciding to switch to PS3.

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?GermanShepard06

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

ignore the troll.

interesting, i can understand where their coming from, cool :)

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

none of yourself get it. he said its pretty easy to port it to the 360 if made from ps3 first.

so from my understanding 360 is more powerful, it can take ps3 games but hard for ps3 to take 360 games.

ms might of did this on purpose cuz there is no reason for unified arch if u dont got pixel shader 4 and dx10.

this makes ms look really weak if they planned this on purpose.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?Kook18

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

ignore the troll.

XD That's some bitter sweet irony in its most quintessential form.

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?beldugo

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

none of yourself get it. he said its pretty easy to port it to the 360 if made from ps3 first.

so from my understanding 360 is more powerful, it can take ps3 games but hard for ps3 to take 360 games.

wow, just wow.

this is the reason why some people should not try to be fanboys.

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?beldugo

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

none of yourself get it. he said its pretty easy to port it to the 360 if made from ps3 first.

so from my understanding 360 is more powerful, it can take ps3 games but hard for ps3 to take 360 games.

lol, your absolutley wrong

So according to this:

Split memory is now a good thing... (LOL)

Not having an embedded frame buffer is a good thing (LOL)

Ya ok... ill take this with a grain of salt plz.

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?GermanShepard06

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

none of yourself get it. he said its pretty easy to port it to the 360 if made from ps3 first.

so from my understanding 360 is more powerful, it can take ps3 games but hard for ps3 to take 360 games.

wow, just wow.

this is the reason why some people should not try to be fanboys.

If that's the case, then cancel your account now. 

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

:? you need help or something?

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?Kook18

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

ignore the troll.

i was reallly realllly bored so yea things happen u kno... :D but well y would he call me a troll ? cuz i am not trolling... oh well he is just being a jerk

They actually worked with the 360 arch before deciding to switch to PS3.proof11102

He's probably right to a certain extent. Shouldn't a PS3 game from the ground up have issues on the 360 ?  

So according to this:

Split memory is now a good thing... (LOL)

Not having an embedded frame buffer is a good thing (LOL)

Ya ok... ill take this with a grain of salt plz.

deadlypencil

Oh yeah lol, i forgot your a game developer 

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

 

Straight from a developers mouth working on a high profile game for the PS3.  Never before has a developer been this direct in explaing the reason behind why many games poted from the 360 to PS3 have problems.  And until another high profile developer who understnads the devleopment of these next generation consoles at this level says any diffrent, his word is law.

Lair For The PlayStation 3: A Q&A With Factor 5 Chief, Julian Eggebrecht

"Q: How do you look back at this point on the differences between the PS 3 and the Xbox 360?

A: You'll have a hard time if you port without having a PS 3 game in mind when you created the 360

version. That is where a lot of complaints are coming from. They created the 360 engine with a

unified memory architecture in mind, with the embedded frame buffer with its advantages and

disadvantages, and not thinking too much in early stages about multicore. If you try to get that

over to the PS 3, you're in for a bad surprise. The PS 3 is all about streamlining about the two

different memory pools. They are separate. You don't have to do tiling because you don't have an

embedded frame buffer. All of these advantages of the PS 3 turn into disadvantages if you don't

start making your game on the PS 3. Hence the griping. If you create first on the PS 3, it is

pretty easy to port it to the 360. A lot of companies coming on board now will probably start on

the PS 3 and move to the 360. The lucky thing for us is we didn't have to think about the 360 at

all."

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Have a nice day.  All arguments about multiplat ports created on 360 first that later get ported to PS3 are officially over.  No one on this board can say any diffrent because no one on this board knows how to develop for the PS3 better than this developer,  and no one here is making a game for any of the next generation systems (PS3/xbox360).

This deserves a sticky.  Is there any mod noble enough to do it? 

proof11102

check the bold underline lines... if that dont tell me 360 is more powerful i dont know then.

So this pretty much kills the claim that games ported from PS3 to 360 will be worse off; it's only vice versa. I wonder what he has to say about porting from PC to PS3.DementedDragon

I doubt that's the case. I think he meant it's easier to port from PS3 to 360 than 360 to PS3. 

[QUOTE="proof11102"]They actually worked with the 360 arch before deciding to switch to PS3.Felous1

He's probably right to a certain extent. Shouldn't a PS3 game from the ground up have issues on the 360 ?  

multiplats are not using the cell arch, so why would they have issues on the 360?

games like mgs, ff, lair, hs, r&c for ps3 would have massive issues on 360.

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?beldugo

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

none of yourself get it. he said its pretty easy to port it to the 360 if made from ps3 first.

so from my understanding 360 is more powerful, it can take ps3 games but hard for ps3 to take 360 games.

wow you dont know how to make any sense and you lose all credibility in this thread....ignorance.

The point of my thread was not to say PS3 > 360 or vice versa.  The point of my thread was to kill stupid arguments by unintelligent fanboys who say 360 > PS3 because of what ever game first made on the xbox360 hardware and then was later ported to by that developer to the PS3.proof11102

So true! when a game is designed on a console it will be utilised in order to give the best performance on that specific console thats why ports look crappy...

Tailoring games to the LIMITATIONS of PS3 wouldnever give us games like Kameo or Gears or Mass Effect, hope never happens and we do not get downgarded games like Oblivion with washed out colors and low res textures on PS3, or like Splinter Cell 4 with no color/lighting at all

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?beldugo

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

none of yourself get it. he said its pretty easy to port it to the 360 if made from ps3 first.

so from my understanding 360 is more powerful, it can take ps3 games but hard for ps3 to take 360 games.

Either your reading comprehension dosen't exist or...I suggest you read it again.  That's not what he's saying at all.

[QUOTE="proof11102"]

Straight from a developers mouth working on a high profile game for the PS3. Never before has a developer been this direct in explaing the reason behind why many games poted from the 360 to PS3 have problems. And until another high profile developer who understnads the devleopment of these next generation consoles at this level says any diffrent, his word is law.

Lair For The PlayStation 3: A Q&A With Factor 5 Chief, Julian Eggebrecht

"Q: How do you look back at this point on the differences between the PS 3 and the Xbox 360?

A: You'll have a hard time if you port without having a PS 3 game in mind when you created the 360

version. That is where a lot of complaints are coming from. They created the 360 engine with a

unified memory architecture in mind, with the embedded frame buffer with its advantages and

disadvantages, and not thinking too much in early stages about multicore. If you try to get that

over to the PS 3, you're in for a bad surprise. The PS 3 is all about streamlining about the two

different memory pools. They are separate. You don't have to do tiling because you don't have an

embedded frame buffer. All of these advantages of the PS 3 turn into disadvantages if you don't

start making your game on the PS 3. Hence the griping. If you create first on the PS 3, it is

pretty easy to port it to the 360. A lot of companies coming on board now will probably start on

the PS 3 and move to the 360. The lucky thing for us is we didn't have to think about the 360 at

all."

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Have a nice day. All arguments about multiplat ports created on 360 first that later get ported to PS3 are officially over. No one on this board can say any diffrent because no one on this board knows how to develop for the PS3 better than this developer, and no one here is making a game for any of the next generation systems (PS3/xbox360).

This deserves a sticky. Is there any mod noble enough to do it?

beldugo

check the bold underline lines... if that dont tell me 360 is more powerful i dont know then.

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

Ladys and Gentlemen... We have a Malkavian! 

[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

 

Straight from a developers mouth working on a high profile game for the PS3. Never before has a developer been this direct in explaing the reason behind why many games poted from the 360 to PS3 have problems. And until another high profile developer who understnads the devleopment of these next generation consoles at this level says any diffrent, his word is law.

Lair For The PlayStation 3: A Q&A With Factor 5 Chief, Julian Eggebrecht

"Q: How do you look back at this point on the differences between the PS 3 and the Xbox 360?

A: You'll have a hard time if you port without having a PS 3 game in mind when you created the 360

version. That is where a lot of complaints are coming from. They created the 360 engine with a

unified memory architecture in mind, with the embedded frame buffer with its advantages and

disadvantages, and not thinking too much in early stages about multicore. If you try to get that

over to the PS 3, you're in for a bad surprise. The PS 3 is all about streamlining about the two

different memory pools. They are separate. You don't have to do tiling because you don't have an

embedded frame buffer. All of these advantages of the PS 3 turn into disadvantages if you don't

start making your game on the PS 3. Hence the griping. If you create first on the PS 3, it is

pretty easy to port it to the 360. A lot of companies coming on board now will probably start on

the PS 3 and move to the 360. The lucky thing for us is we didn't have to think about the 360 at

all."

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Have a nice day. All arguments about multiplat ports created on 360 first that later get ported to PS3 are officially over. No one on this board can say any diffrent because no one on this board knows how to develop for the PS3 better than this developer, and no one here is making a game for any of the next generation systems (PS3/xbox360).

This deserves a sticky. Is there any mod noble enough to do it?

gnutux

check the bold underline lines... if that dont tell me 360 is more powerful i dont know then.

he's talking about today's MUTLIPLAT games , read my lips, MULTIPLAT.

Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

Pplon the internet can't get any dumber than this. 

Let me summarize (correct me if I'm wrong); Basically he's saying, lack of things from the PS3 is ok if you're writing solely for the PS3 cause you won't miss those things.

Unlike developers writing for the X360, they'll definitly get disappointed when porting their games to the PS3.

Also, he's advising developers to write for the lowest common denominator (the PS3) then porting to the X360. Reason for that is the X360 got all what the PS3 has and some more, hence you won't have difficulty porting stuff to it.

Right now X360>>>PS3 in multiplat whether that will change if developers create for PS3 first and then port over to the 360 will remain to be seen.

These Lair developers really have gone off on one haven't they, mouthing off about their main platform of choice. I think they should start improving Lair beyond the above average videos they've shown before calling PS3 the greatest thing on earth. 

[QUOTE="proof11102"]They actually worked with the 360 arch before deciding to switch to PS3.Felous1

He's probably right to a certain extent. Shouldn't a PS3 game from the ground up have issues on the 360 ?  

Well...they self proclaim themselves that Lair is impossible to do on any other system besides PS3 at the time so (just watch their interviews in gametrailers and IGN to see what I'm talking aobut)...in around about way yeah.

[QUOTE="Felous1"]

[QUOTE="proof11102"]They actually worked with the 360 arch before deciding to switch to PS3.GermanShepard06

He's probably right to a certain extent. Shouldn't a PS3 game from the ground up have issues on the 360 ?  

multiplats are not using the cell arch, so why would they have issues on the 360?

games like mgs, ff, lair, hs, r&c for ps3 would have massive issues on 360.

even the lair delevoper shut you down with your comment "its easier to port games build from the ground up on ps3 to 360 than vice-versa", that comment alone tells you 360 can take it.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"][QUOTE="Felous1"]

[QUOTE="proof11102"]They actually worked with the 360 arch before deciding to switch to PS3.beldugo

He's probably right to a certain extent. Shouldn't a PS3 game from the ground up have issues on the 360 ?  

multiplats are not using the cell arch, so why would they have issues on the 360?

games like mgs, ff, lair, hs, r&c for ps3 would have massive issues on 360.

even the lair delevoper shut you down with your comment "its easier to port games build from the ground up on ps3 to 360 than vice-versa", that comment alone tells you 360 can take it.

oh remember virtua fighter 5? its using the cell technology or board whatever it was.. its been ported to 360 now, what do you have to say about that? if it comes with less graphic we  can safely say ps3 has more graphics, if it comes with the same or more we can say 360 and ps3 are equal or 360 is greater if it looks better.

[QUOTE="arabi_89"][QUOTE="arabi_89"]

[QUOTE="arabi_89"]Does that mean the ps3 will win ?arabi_89

Nooo!!! u dont get it!!! the multiplatform games will look better if they make the game on ps3 and then port it to the X360 because if you port a 360 game to the ps3, the game will look abit crappy!

oh now i get it! so the ps3 will win!

IT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WINNING! nevermind...

........WTF!?!

did someone just have a SW argument with themselves in this thread?
Kook18

yes they did, this should be stickied not for the TC but so show that someone actually argued themselves

Let me summarize (correct me if I'm wrong); Basically he's saying, lack of things from the PS3 is ok if you're writing solely for the PS3 cause you won't miss those things.

Unlike developers writing for the X360, they'll definitly get disappointed when porting their games to the PS3.

Mystery_Writer

What you get when you soely develop something for the PS3...

 http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=18522&type=mov&pl=game

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