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#1 doobie1975
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http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=87643

thats sure is a lot of £8.99 a month

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#2 -Unreal-
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That's like tons more than Xbox Live is it not?
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#3 ZOnikJJ
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I got back into WoW recently....(worst decision ever)
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#4 TheJuiceyBar
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Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.
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#5 -Unreal-
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Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.TheJuiceyBar

Damn that's an overused stereotype. Lack the expertise in coming up with your own?

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#6 darcom1
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ok let me just .....

zzzzz zzzzzz zzzzzzz

wake me when i care

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Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.TheJuiceyBar

Ohhh Snap!!!

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#8 reza
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guys for gods sake dont go near that game, its more addictive than drugs. it distroys your life. leaving WOW was one of the hardest things i have done in my whole life. just dont do it...
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[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.-Unreal-

Damn that's an overused stereotype. Lack the expertise in coming up with your own?

You do raids buddy? Yeah, you do have a lot of damn time on your hands.
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#10 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.FrozenLiquid

Damn that's an overused stereotype. Lack the expertise in coming up with your own?

You do raids buddy? Yeah, you do have a lot of damn time on your hands.

How do you know if:

A. I raid

B. I have a lot of time on my hands

Why did you:

A. Use the frankly unnecessary word "damn" in that sentence to emphasise it

B. Answer your own question in your second sentence.

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#11 Cali3350
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$50 per game * ATLEAST 12 million sales = $600,000,000

$35 per game * ATLEAST 5 million sales = $175,000,000

$12 per month * ATLEAST an average of 7.5 million for its lifetime * 24 months = $1,080,000,000

WHAT THIS MEANS: Blizzard > You

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#12 Mu5uk0
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wow is a fun game but like any game there are people who play it too much, it is these people that form the basis of the stereotypes of people who play wow.

honestly i played it for about a bit over two months, had my fun and just left it, i didn't need to go to therapy or anything to quit i just didn't play it anymore. it is just a game in the end.

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#13 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.-Unreal-

Damn that's an overused stereotype. Lack the expertise in coming up with your own?

You do raids buddy? Yeah, you do have a lot of damn time on your hands.

How do you know if:

A. I raid

B. I have a lot of time on my hands

Why did you:

A. Use the frankly unnecessary word "damn" in that sentence to emphasise it

B. Answer your own question in your second sentence.

Well for one: a) You raid because with an avatar and a sig like that, there's not much room left for the imagination. Oh, and Evercrackers. LOTROers, and Guild Warers constantly get slack from WoW fanbois. A big argument that comes up is about end-game. 8 hour freakin' raids or whatever you guys do. b) You play WoW. You do have a lot of time on your hands. I really do not need to explain this one, you and I both well know what WoW does to people. Oh, and studies show that MMO players spend more time on their games than other gamers. Go look it up at mmorpg.com. a1) I used "damn" to emotionally strike a nerve. Looks like I did. b2) Because I have a crystal ball. Here, you want it?
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#14 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.FrozenLiquid

Damn that's an overused stereotype. Lack the expertise in coming up with your own?

You do raids buddy? Yeah, you do have a lot of damn time on your hands.

How do you know if:

A. I raid

B. I have a lot of time on my hands

Why did you:

A. Use the frankly unnecessary word "damn" in that sentence to emphasise it

B. Answer your own question in your second sentence.

Well for one: a) You raid because with an avatar and a sig like that, there's not much room left for the imagination. Oh, and Evercrackers. LOTROers, and Guild Warers constantly get slack from WoW fanbois. A big argument that comes up is about end-game. 8 hour freakin' raids or whatever you guys do. b) You play WoW. You do have a lot of time on your hands. I really do not need to explain this one, you and I both well know what WoW does to people. Oh, and studies show that MMO players spend more time on their games than other gamers. Go look it up at mmorpg.com. a1) I used "damn" to emotionally strike a nerve. Looks like I did. b2) Because I have a crystal ball. Here, you want it?

So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?

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#15 FrozenLiquid
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So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?True_Gamer_
Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.
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#16 Cali3350
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[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"]Damn thats a lot of people with no lives.FrozenLiquid

Damn that's an overused stereotype. Lack the expertise in coming up with your own?

You do raids buddy? Yeah, you do have a lot of damn time on your hands.

How do you know if:

A. I raid

B. I have a lot of time on my hands

Why did you:

A. Use the frankly unnecessary word "damn" in that sentence to emphasise it

B. Answer your own question in your second sentence.

Well for one: a) You raid because with an avatar and a sig like that, there's not much room left for the imagination. Oh, and Evercrackers. LOTROers, and Guild Warers constantly get slack from WoW fanbois. A big argument that comes up is about end-game. 8 hour freakin' raids or whatever you guys do. b) You play WoW. You do have a lot of time on your hands. I really do not need to explain this one, you and I both well know what WoW does to people. Oh, and studies show that MMO players spend more time on their games than other gamers. Go look it up at mmorpg.com. a1) I used "damn" to emotionally strike a nerve. Looks like I did. b2) Because I have a crystal ball. Here, you want it?

Well now thats just plan horribly ignorant :|

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#17 FrozenLiquid
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Well now thats just plan horribly ignorant :|Cali3350
Maybe. But I have a grudge against WoW players who decided that they were the be all and end all of MMO gaming. Sue me -shrugs-.
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#18 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?FrozenLiquid
Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

I meant KIDS PLAYING TOGHETHER with their parents...and I know quite alot families that do this and NO they dont spend that much time on the game as does the 15% of the total...

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#19 Grayden
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Woah, it seems the WoW juggernaut is nowhere near to slowing down. It will be interesting to see how many more years WoW can sustain this population growth.
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#20 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?True_Gamer_

Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

I meant KIDS PLAYING TOGHETHER with their parents...and I know quite alot families that do this and NO they dont spend that much time on the game as does the 15% of the total...

Yeah I know that too. I mean, there was one Korean MMO I was in (very unique and offbeat), where the mother and son played together. Mother found an online guy half her age and started "cheating" with her husband, and the child was sexually harassing all the other females in the game. The mother just said it was a sign of affection. That's called playing together. Or, you could just go kick a ball outside with your children. I'm teaching my brother how to juggle at the age of four. Didn't the health organizations the world over say 30 minutes a day? Well, there's 30 minutes of physical activity to be done with your kids right?
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#21 siggy3
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Wow can be fun, but often I find it unsatisfying to play. How someone could get addicted to it is a mystery to me.
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#22 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?FrozenLiquid

Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

I meant KIDS PLAYING TOGHETHER with their parents...and I know quite alot families that do this and NO they dont spend that much time on the game as does the 15% of the total...

Yeah I know that too. I mean, there was one Korean MMO I was in (very unique and offbeat), where the mother and son played together. Mother found an online guy half her age and started "cheating" with her husband, and the child was sexually harassing all the other females in the game. The mother just said it was a sign of affection. That's called playing together. Or, you could just go kick a ball outside with your children. I'm teaching my brother how to juggle at the age of four. Didn't the health organizations the world over say 30 minutes a day? Well, there's 30 minutes of physical activity to be done with your kids right?

Oh right you mentioned a crap Korean sweatshop MMO...Anyway these families are playing 1.5-2 hours per day max...I dont see this as being that bad as you fantasise....

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#23 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?True_Gamer_

Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

I meant KIDS PLAYING TOGHETHER with their parents...and I know quite alot families that do this and NO they dont spend that much time on the game as does the 15% of the total...

Yeah I know that too. I mean, there was one Korean MMO I was in (very unique and offbeat), where the mother and son played together. Mother found an online guy half her age and started "cheating" with her husband, and the child was sexually harassing all the other females in the game. The mother just said it was a sign of affection. That's called playing together. Or, you could just go kick a ball outside with your children. I'm teaching my brother how to juggle at the age of four. Didn't the health organizations the world over say 30 minutes a day? Well, there's 30 minutes of physical activity to be done with your kids right?

Oh right you mentioned a crap Korean sweatshop MMO...Anyway these families are playing 1.5-2 hours per day max...I dont see this as being that bad as you fantasise....

Does it matter? It's still an MMO, and people are still playing it. And yes, I'm sure these famlies are playing 1.5-2 hours max, when I unfortunately followed most of them around for four-five hour marathons. The adults, anyway. Seriously, sometimes I don't think you even play the games you talk about.
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#24 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?FrozenLiquid

Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

I meant KIDS PLAYING TOGHETHER with their parents...and I know quite alot families that do this and NO they dont spend that much time on the game as does the 15% of the total...

Yeah I know that too. I mean, there was one Korean MMO I was in (very unique and offbeat), where the mother and son played together. Mother found an online guy half her age and started "cheating" with her husband, and the child was sexually harassing all the other females in the game. The mother just said it was a sign of affection. That's called playing together. Or, you could just go kick a ball outside with your children. I'm teaching my brother how to juggle at the age of four. Didn't the health organizations the world over say 30 minutes a day? Well, there's 30 minutes of physical activity to be done with your kids right?

Oh right you mentioned a crap Korean sweatshop MMO...Anyway these families are playing 1.5-2 hours per day max...I dont see this as being that bad as you fantasise....

Does it matter? It's still an MMO, and people are still playing it. And yes, I'm sure these famlies are playing 1.5-2 hours max, when I unfortunately followed most of them around for four-five hour marathons. The adults, anyway. Seriously, sometimes I don't think you even play the games you talk about.

So you make up statistics while I state my personal experience...plus you overgenralise and provide extreme examples as a way to support your weak "arguments"....

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#25 princeofshapeir
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Guild Wars is still 10x better.

WoW is fun and large as hell, but Guild Wars requires strategy. WoW requires gear and grinding.

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#26 FrozenLiquid
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So you make up statistics while I state my personal experience...plus you overgenralise and provide extreme examples as a way to support your weak "arguments"....True_Gamer_
No, I'm stating personal experience, and you're stating statistics. And if I'm overgeneralizing.....what are you doing? -ponders-
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[QUOTE="Cali3350"]Well now thats just plan horribly ignorant :|FrozenLiquid
Maybe. But I have a grudge against WoW players who decided that they were the be all and end all of MMO gaming. Sue me -shrugs-.

Don't worry, I agree with you totally. World of Warcraft has too much micromanagement and it's too big of a drain on your social life, even for an MMO.

If you don't want to fail High School, don't play WoW.

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#28 Truth_Hurts_U
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I know this number is way smaller for actual players. Since I own 3 accounts and just about everyone I know, owns at least 2. You can pretty much cut the number in half and say 4.6 million WOW players.
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#29 lawl4brawl
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WoW is one of the most boring time wasters ever. It give you the illusion of having fun, bout about the time you hit Outlands you'll realise how incredibly lame it is.
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#30 JediRiff
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guys for gods sake dont go near that game, its more addictive than drugs. it distroys your life. leaving WOW was one of the hardest things i have done in my whole life. just dont do it...reza
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#31 JediRiff
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What the heck happened to my post? Thanks, glitchspot! Anyways,I was saying I feel your pain, man. I spent three years on EverQuest. Political garbage in my guild (Nameless Order on the Prexus server) led me to quitting the game altogether, and looking back I am thankful I did. No more 10 to 20 hour plane raids for me!!!
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#32 omgimba
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Well PC gaming is dying, so who cares?
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#33 Verge_6
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Sad. Now Blizzard really doesn't have any incentive to branch out anymore. Acompany that is effectively 'killing' itself with its own success...it's almost poetic.
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#34 alberth123123
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if u wanna quit wow 4 good...all u got to do is play in one of those private servers for a week....then ull never want to play it ever again
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#35 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?FrozenLiquid
Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

No offense but does any one else think this screams hypocrite? He is in a forum argueing about video games.. while calling some one else has too much time on their hands and no life, in a video game forum...

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#36 Sonick54
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So many souls lost.....
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#37 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Sad. Now Blizzard really doesn't have any incentive to branch out anymore. Acompany that is effectively 'killing' itself with its own success...it's almost poetic.Verge_6

I don't think this is very fair observation when Starcraft 2 is slated for 2008-2009..

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#38 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Sad. Now Blizzard really doesn't have any incentive to branch out anymore. Acompany that is effectively 'killing' itself with its own success...it's almost poetic.sSubZerOo

I don't think this is very fair observation when Starcraft 2 is slated for 2008-2009..

And after that comes a Starcraft MMORPG...

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#39 AdrianWerner
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Most profitable game ever confirmed :)
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#40 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Sad. Now Blizzard really doesn't have any incentive to branch out anymore. Acompany that is effectively 'killing' itself with its own success...it's almost poetic.Verge_6

I don't think this is very fair observation when Starcraft 2 is slated for 2008-2009..

And after that comes a Starcraft MMORPG...

Thats complete speculation there is no proof what so ever that they would be doing that.. Specially when they can make quite a few expansisons for WoW.

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#41 whodeysay85
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WoW is a vacuum of money and time spent. No thanks from me. And i love Warcraft III and all Blizzard games. I just can't myself to play WoW.
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#42 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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Blizzard basically monopolized the MMORPg universe Idk how Tabula Rasa is even going to survive for a year with the WoW giant. It just keeps getting bigger and bigger :o!!!
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#43 alex77k
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]So youre saying that working people with families and kids that play toghether as a family have no lives?FrozenLiquid
Actually, yeah. I was disgusted by the people on the MMO I played who got their kids in front of the television whilst both of them were playing the game with me. I didn't know the TV was the new aged babysitter.

Interesting point of view from a "average and normal" person with 4k+ posts in SW.