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#1 supermanfarr
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I bought a ps3 because I was looking forward to some great upcoming games. Lair, Heavenly sword, ratchet, Looks like 2 out of the three are going to flop for sure. Dont know anything about ratchet and clank, except the graphics look good. Looks like my buy was a bust lets just hope mgs4 is great. I think that is the only game coming out that want flop for sure. I never belived all te fanboy trash talk till now the ps3 really does SUCK RIGHT NOW and will for a few more months to come. I dont care about the score so much as to what was said in the reviews I dont want to play rouge squadren with dragons or only 3 hrs of fun gameplay in a 6 hr game. Thank god I have a 360. I sold my wii but thats looking like a mistake the upcoming games on it looks to>>>>>>>>>> anything coming out on the ps3 in the next coming months.
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Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.
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#3 JiveT
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Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

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#4 Mafia17
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thats cause fanboys hyped games like lair and warhawk those games didnt look good to begin with. Heavenly Sword should've been the only flop the demo was fun even though it was short. Dont get me wrong the ps3 is the only next gen console i have. but anyone could see that lair and warhawk would flop.
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Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.DarkRecruit

He said he already has a 360. Why would he get another machine that plays every 360 game that his 360 already plays?

Much enraged about the recent PS3 sad news, Sony fanboy?

You can't win this war with your pathetic PS3, so now you are trying to trash the 360 with the PC, huh? If the PS3 is not going to win, neither is the 360, right?

Silly Cow!!!

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#6 HolyHandGrenad3
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Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.DarkRecruit

It does not have pretty much every 360 game.

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Well Ratchet is sure to be good. Lair is a flop, but it should still be an A quality game. As for Heavenly Sword, it has received one bad review(7 from UK ign, not the real official IGN score, just the small UK branch). All the other reviews have been great, yet they had the same complaints as UK ign, which was the game is too short.
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Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

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Did you play the game? No. Do you come on the PS3 boards to most likely bash Sony? Yes.
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#9 JiveT
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[QUOTE="JiveT"]

Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

tman93

Did you play the game? No. Do you come on the PS3 boards to most likely bash Sony? Yes.

Sorry but I can determine a lot from a game simply by watching videos.

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#10 GirlGirlGirls
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If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

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#11 tman93
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[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

JiveT

Did you play the game? No. Do you come on the PS3 boards to most likely bash Sony? Yes.

Sorry but I can determine a lot from a game simply by watching videos.

Really. Well I can say that everygame that hyped fails cause I can tell. I think this game looks like the best Rachet and Clank yet. If the gameplay is the same, its still good.

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

GirlGirlGirls
Cause the 360 port will be in about 2 years, and still mostly worse.
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#12 supermanfarr
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thats cause fanboys hyped games like lair and warhawk those games didnt look good to begin with. Heavenly Sword should've been the only flop the demo was fun even though it was short. Dont get me wrong the ps3 is the only next gen console i have. but anyone could see that lair and warhawk would flop.Mafia17


Its been almost a year now there should be a couple AAA games by now that werent on the 360. I already beat sigma traded that in 2 days ago for bioshock. Resistance meh I got board and havent beat it yet I think I almost at the end. Sadly I think think motostorm is the funniest game out now. 
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Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.DarkRecruit

not even close.

"18. Most of the 360's good games have lost their exclusivity to the PC. -no. gears of war, viva pinata, and lost planet. (any others?) look at the exclusive list in #17 and compare it to this one. does that look like most to you? it lost its highest scoring exclusive and two lower end AAEs. That's it."

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#14 Art_424
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If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

GirlGirlGirls

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

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#15 tman93
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This is SW, I thought this was the PS3 board lol.
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#16 supermanfarr
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If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

GirlGirlGirls

Thats very true, so far sony hasent been able to pull off any new, good, ip's yet. I am kinda shocked maybe the ps3 is so hard to program for devs spend more time on getting the games to run well, than makeing a good game. My last hope UT3 AND MGS4 but 
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[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"]Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.Pimpshigity21

He said he already has a 360. Why would he get another machine that plays every 360 game that his 360 already plays?

Much enraged about the recent PS3 sad news, Sony fanboy?

You can't win this war with your pathetic PS3, so now you are trying to trash the 360 with the PC, huh? If the PS3 is not going to win, neither is the 360, right?

Silly Cow!!!

I'm a Sony fanboy because I like PCs? Ok, I'll insert a childish claim to, 360 fanboy. I have never liked the PS3 or 360 much at all. Actually I would say I'm a 360 fanboy more then a PS3 fanboy.

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#18 tman93
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[QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

Art_424

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

I awnsered it. Also, the cows would play it, why would they care if the 360 gets a port (uness there crazy and care more about if there game isnt on system b than actally playin it, most fanboys seem to which is sad.
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#19 PS3_3DO
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Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.DarkRecruit

Nah the 360 still has Exclusives more then the PCdoes. Also the 360 is4 times cheaper.

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[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"]Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.PS3_3DO

Nah the 360 still has Exclusives more then the PCdoes. Also the 360 is4 times cheaper.

i'm sorry. what?

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#21 Art_424
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[QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

tman93

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

I awnsered it. Also, the cows would play it, why would they care if the 360 gets a port (uness there crazy and care more about if there game isnt on system b than actally playin it, most fanboys seem to which is sad.

lol...Wrong Answer. Almost all ports that have been realeased at the same time, the 360 has the better looking game. So, saying that it would look inferior is just your opinion.:P

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#22 tman93
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[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

Art_424

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

I awnsered it. Also, the cows would play it, why would they care if the 360 gets a port (uness there crazy and care more about if there game isnt on system b than actally playin it, most fanboys seem to which is sad.

lol...Wrong Answer. Almost all ports that have been realeased at the same time, the 360 has the better looking game. So, saying that it would look inferior is just your opinion.:P

Yea, but none of those ports were built with PS3 in mind.Kojma probbaly wouldnt want anything to do with it. This game has so much PS3 stuff in it it would take at least a year, if not more.
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#23 ermacness
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[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

JiveT

Did you play the game? No. Do you come on the PS3 boards to most likely bash Sony? Yes.

Sorry but I can determine a lot from a game simply by watching videos.

but what you fail tho realize is that the RC series have been a great series so far and is a proven IP and the lowest rated RC in the series (which i believe) is Deadlock which came in at a 8. Not bad for a series with 4 installments don't you think. So really it's pretty safe to say that RC may be a promising game (but hopefully not the only promising game this fall)
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#24 maabus99
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[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"]Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.PS3_3DO

Nah the 360 still has Exclusives more then the PCdoes. Also the 360 is4 times cheaper.

Man I was going to warn you to edit your thread before you get busted but Casey already caught you. NO system has close to the exclusives of a PC, and to think otherwise is just a lack of reality. It is just the PC has other issues that make it not the "popular" system to be discussed here.

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I was pretty darn close to buying a PS3 last year. As fortune would have it, I came across a sweet deal on a brand new 360 for only $200 (long story) and told myself I'll get one eventually.Sheesh, I paid more for my Wii than the Xbox. Now, almost a year later, there's still no "must haves" coming to the PS3 this year so for now that system is out of the question. On the other hand, the360 and even the Wii have some great exclusives coming out in the next few months.

As it stands, the only game I'm really interested in coming solely to the PS3 is FFXIII. Most of its other strong titles can also be found on the 360. It seems the infallible Sony isn't anywhere near winning this console war.

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#26 maabus99
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Well Ratchet is sure to be good. Lair is a flop, but it should still be an A quality game. As for Heavenly Sword, it has received one bad review(7 from UK ign, not the real official IGN score, just the small UK branch). All the other reviews have been great, yet they had the same complaints as UK ign, which was the game is too short.ultima-flare

Didn't one of the PS mags (PXM?) give HS the same score as Lair (8.0). In my mind that is not good period to be an equal to Lair. Oh, and I have a feeling after the next two month's, that Play magazine is going to lose all credibility it ever had, if it had any to begin with.

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#27 Pimpshigity21
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[QUOTE="Pimpshigity21"]

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"]Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.DarkRecruit

He said he already has a 360. Why would he get another machine that plays every 360 game that his 360 already plays?

Much enraged about the recent PS3 sad news, Sony fanboy?

You can't win this war with your pathetic PS3, so now you are trying to trash the 360 with the PC, huh? If the PS3 is not going to win, neither is the 360, right?

Silly Cow!!!

I'm a Sony fanboy because I like PCs? Ok, I'll insert a childish claim to, 360 fanboy. I have never liked the PS3 or 360 much at all. Actually I would say I'm a 360 fanboy more then a PS3 fanboy.

Then your post makes absolutely no sence.

Silly...err...silly boy.

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#28 maabus99
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I was pretty darn close to buying a PS3 last year. As fortune would have it, I came across a sweet deal on a brand new 360 for only $200 (long story) and told myself I'll get one eventually.Sheesh, I paid more for my Wii than the Xbox. Now, almost a year later, there's still no "must haves" coming to the PS3 this year so for now that system is out of the question. On the other hand, the360 and even the Wii have some great exclusives coming out in the next few months.

As it stands, the only game I'm really interested in coming solely to the PS3 is FFXIII. Most of its other strong titles can also be found on the 360. It seems the infallible Sony isn't anywhere near winning this console war.

chisoxrule

FF13 is my main interest too, but with the long term, unknown release date for 13 and Sony's less then stellar sale numbers for hardware and software, that may be in Jeopardy as an exclusive. Way too early to tell but business is business. Heck, in all honesty it wouldn't shock me if we find out FF13 was tanked for the PS3 and moved to the PS2 as they would litterally get 5x more sales, nex gen or not. The other option is of course is the 360 since it is building an RPG base.

Bottome line is this: If SE can not recoup expendetures for the FF13 game, they will have to find more revenue somewhere.

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[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

Art_424

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

I awnsered it. Also, the cows would play it, why would they care if the 360 gets a port (uness there crazy and care more about if there game isnt on system b than actally playin it, most fanboys seem to which is sad.

lol...Wrong Answer. Almost all ports that have been realeased at the same time, the 360 has the better looking game. So, saying that it would look inferior is just your opinion.:P

and yet you think that MGS4 will look better on the 360???!?!?!? if it was built with the ps3 hardware in mind like kojima stated then it will look on par to inferior on the 360.

p.s. by the way, while they said it can run on the 360, they also stated that EVERYTHING in MGS4 on the ps3 wouldn't work on the 360 like the otocam (i think that's how you spell it)

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[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"]Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.HolyHandGrenad3

It does not have pretty much every 360 game.

You are right my friend...It currently has lost only 2 exclusives, 3 when Gears comes out.
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#31 no_submission
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Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

JiveT

Halo3 will "tank" as well.

I just got my Crystal ball this morning.

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#32 ginglejangle
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Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

JiveT

How is it a rehash?their in a completly new setting and the multiplayer was never good in the first place.Gamespot loved what they played of it so far.

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#33 Art_424
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[QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

ermacness

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

I awnsered it. Also, the cows would play it, why would they care if the 360 gets a port (uness there crazy and care more about if there game isnt on system b than actally playin it, most fanboys seem to which is sad.

lol...Wrong Answer. Almost all ports that have been realeased at the same time, the 360 has the better looking game. So, saying that it would look inferior is just your opinion.:P

and yet you think that MGS4 will look better on the 360???!?!?!? if it was built with the ps3 hardware in mind like kojima stated then it will look on par to inferior on the 360. One answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

p.s. by the way, while they said it can run on the 360, they also stated that EVERYTHING in MGS4 on the ps3 wouldn't work on the 360 like the otocam (i think that's how you spell it)

You still believe what sony PR say?....lol

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It sucks that the games are getting poor reviews, but reviews don't have as much to do with console sales at marketing does. A game can be reviewed poorly by a number of sites (like LAIR, so far) but if Sony decides to makret lair (of course market it effectively) it will sell and sell consoles. Some of the best selling games did not get very good reviews, because a bunch of people that play games do not even look at reviews, tehy simply will play games at others peoples houses or see game advertisements and buy the game...so some "critical flops" won't make the ps3 fail.
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#35 HoldThePhone
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[QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

Hate to break it to you but R&C is just a rehash of the first two games in terms of gameplay. Its probably going to tank. No multiplayer and all they do is show that stupid disco ball thing over and over again. Kind of sad.

JiveT

Did you play the game? No. Do you come on the PS3 boards to most likely bash Sony? Yes.

Sorry but I can determine a lot from a game simply by watching videos.

the last R&C's had online, what makes you think this one wont?

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#36 walkerctranger
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[QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

supermanfarr

Thats very true, so far sony hasent been able to pull off any new, good, ip's yet. I am kinda shocked maybe the ps3 is so hard to program for devs spend more time on getting the games to run well, than makeing a good game. My last hope UT3 AND MGS4 but 

UT3 better be good, cause its going to mac, and i dont have a pc, that games gonna have to try and save 2 consoles at once!
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Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.DarkRecruit

I think we all have PCs

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You're exaggerating the issue quite a bit. HS hasn't flopped after one bad review... especially one that still praises the combat action and visuals of the game among the best they've seen so far. Point is, every review still points to Heavenly Sword being great. Lair won't be great but it will still be good. And the PS3 is still putting out the type of games that you would not have been able to play elsewhere... with plenty more to come this year. So I'm not really sure what you're dissappointed with???

Oh, and Warhawk hasn't flopped by the way... there are no official review sources anywhere.

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[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="tman93"][QUOTE="Art_424"][QUOTE="GirlGirlGirls"]

If MGS4 eventually comes to the 360.

Honestly What is the point of the PS3 anymore ? :|

Art_424

Good question.....(CowsNightmare)

I awnsered it. Also, the cows would play it, why would they care if the 360 gets a port (uness there crazy and care more about if there game isnt on system b than actally playin it, most fanboys seem to which is sad.

lol...Wrong Answer. Almost all ports that have been realeased at the same time, the 360 has the better looking game. So, saying that it would look inferior is just your opinion.:P

and yet you think that MGS4 will look better on the 360???!?!?!? if it was built with the ps3 hardware in mind like kojima stated then it will look on par to inferior on the 360. One answer: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

p.s. by the way, while they said it can run on the 360, they also stated that EVERYTHING in MGS4 on the ps3 wouldn't work on the 360 like the otocam (i think that's how you spell it)

You still believe what sony PR say?....lol

That's not Sony PR... that actually came directly from Kojima Productions.

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#40 darkjounin
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If every Ps3 exclusive coming this fall flops than I will leave gamespot for a day !!! O.o
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#41 Shomb22
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If every Ps3 exclusive coming this fall flops than I will leave gamespot for a day !!! O.odarkjounin

lol

Yeah I buy all my systems for one game too!**!

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#42 Art_424
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Sgt_Hale

That's not Sony PR... that actually came directly from Kojima Productions.

Kojima= Getting Sonys $$$$$$$ (Its called money talks)

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#43 Apathetic-Irony
Member since 2006 • 1391 Posts

You're exaggerating the issue quite a bit. HS hasn't flopped after one bad review... especially one that still praises the combat action and visuals of the game among the best they've seen so far. Point is, every review still points to Heavenly Sword being great.

Sgt_Hale

I'm sorry, are you in denial or something? The only thing good IGN UK had to say about Heavenly Sword was the presentation and visuals, sound still being good. They said the gameplay was repetative, uninspired, and the game itself was so short that an entire act being devoted to ranged (tedius) gameplay took far too long. Hell, they even said it had hardly any replayability due to any unlockables lacking motivation to achieve them due to the repetative combat. Did we read a different review?

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#44 DarkRecruit
Member since 2005 • 3391 Posts

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"]Just get a PC. Has pretty much every 360 game+more.No_Talent_Dev

I think we all have PCs

You're smart.

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#45 jasonharris48
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I bought a ps3 because I was looking forward to some great upcoming games. Lair, Heavenly sword, ratchet, Looks like 2 out of the three are going to flop for sure. Dont know anything about ratchet and clank, except the graphics look good. Looks like my buy was a bust lets just hope mgs4 is great. I think that is the only game coming out that want flop for sure. I never belived all te fanboy trash talk till now the ps3 really does SUCK RIGHT NOW and will for a few more months to come. I dont care about the score so much as to what was said in the reviews I dont want to play rouge squadren with dragons or only 3 hrs of fun gameplay in a 6 hr game. Thank god I have a 360. I sold my wii but thats looking like a mistake the upcoming games on it looks to>>>>>>>>>> anything coming out on the ps3 in the next coming months.supermanfarr
My question is when will fan-boys fall off the earth?
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#46 chisoxrule
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My question is when will fan-boys fall off the earth?jasonharris48

Not for a while. Its tough to admit they made a $500 mistake and many of them will defend it until the end by justifying their purchase by boasting about games that are STILL a long ways away.

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#47 Carmilla31
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It sucks that the games are getting poor reviews, but reviews don't have as much to do with console sales at marketing does. A game can be reviewed poorly by a number of sites (like LAIR, so far) but if Sony decides to makret lair (of course market it effectively) it will sell and sell consoles. Some of the best selling games did not get very good reviews, because a bunch of people that play games do not even look at reviews, tehy simply will play games at others peoples houses or see game advertisements and buy the game...so some "critical flops" won't make the ps3 fail. HideoFox
Lair will not be a poorly reviewed but high selling game. It isnt main stream enough to sell units/consoles. The only poorly reviewed games that sell well are the casual garbage like Harry Potter, Spiderman games, and football games.
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#48 wooooode
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As of now the PS3 is not a valid purchase but soon all the great titles will hit and you would be kicking yourself if you did not have it. I have a 360/Wii and kinda want a PS3 but I only need one powerhouse system so I will stick with the 360.
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#49 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]My question is when will fan-boys fall off the earth?chisoxrule

Not for a while. Its tough to admit they made a $500 mistake and many of them will defend it until the end by justifying their purchase by boasting about games that are STILL a long ways away.

Why would you pay $500 for a system and you already know what kind of games it has thats why I'm waiting untill mid next year to get mine. Its not like the PS3 is a bad console its just the lack of decent titles. So for the moment I'll just be playing my PS2 and 360.
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#50 Tactis
Member since 2006 • 1568 Posts

it could defintly fail if it doesnt get the price down. I dont care if they pack the thing with 200gig, four game bundle its never going to sell well at $500 even if MGS4, FF13 and GT5 all come out on the same day. If Sony wants PS2 sales they need to take massive losses and get it to under $400 otherwise they aren't ever going to catch the 360.