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#1 KevinnButlerNPK
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/303369/news/sony-didnt-think-psn-attack-was-likely/

Sony CEO Howard Stringer has admitted the PS3 firm didn't think an attack on the PlayStation Network was likely, because it was "a network that gave people services free".

Speaking in a May 17 interview with Bloomberg - before the latest wave of hacking breaches - Stringer rejected suggestions that Sony is paying for a lack of vigilance after warnings from the Anonymous hacking group, and a previous PSN intrusion in 2008 - which he admitted he was unaware of.

"Obviously our network security didn't stop the attack and we're trying to understand why, and we've made big strides in bolstering our security," he said, adding that Sony believed it had "good, robust security".

Since most PSN users don't pay, and most threats focus on stealing credit card information, the theft of passwords and other personal data appeared less likely, Stringer said.

"We have a network that gave people services free. It didn't seem like the likeliest place for an attack."

When the April incursion first started, he didn't know how serious it was, the CEO added. "I really don't think I could apologize for not knowing. It's a whole new experience for everybody at this scale."

In 2008, London Metropolitan Police questioned a teenager about a separate attack into Sony's developer network, which Sony says contained no identifying information.

"The one incident that related to PlayStation Network, once we identified what it was, they went in and fixed it," a spokesperson said.

And this guy is CEO? What a joke....

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#2 JohnF111
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Where's the joke? I don't see it...
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#3 supdotcom
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sooo... wats the point here?

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#4 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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I too am wondering about the point of this topic. If anything, that article made me appreciate Stringer as a CEO even more, you wouldn't hear that kind of honesty from most CEOs.
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#5 Heil68
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Where's the joke? I don't see it...JohnF111
He's trying to show how bad Sony is. Look at his posting history and sig for all the jokes you'll ever need.
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#6 Squall18
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Good story bro

all in all, this was a massive mess for sony.

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#7 TruedUp
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Fanboyism is a hell of a drug.

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#9 dipsetboy17
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protip: there and their are used for two different situations, just remember that before you post.

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#10 Riverwolf007
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stringer was heard to say "dam! it would be like attacking a panda, pandas suck why attack them??? who would ever see this coming???"

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#11 KevinnButlerNPK
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Where's the joke? I don't see it...JohnF111
That anyone else could see this coming, except for Sony themselves and the fact they still pretend like their security was up to date when it wasn't...Only the blind faithful can't see that...

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#12 KevinnButlerNPK
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protip: there and their are used for two different situations, just remember that before you post.

dipsetboy17

Protip: Every sentence must begin with a capital letter. Just remember that before you post or try to correct other people....

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#13 forgot_it
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protip: there and their are used for two different situations, just remember that before you post.

dipsetboy17
You didn't capitalize the first letter of your sentence.
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#14 lundy86_4  Online
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I fail to see what you're getting at here. It seems to me like he is giving his opinion on the subject, which TBH, isn't entirely out there.

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#15 forgot_it
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Protip: Every sentence must begin with a capital letter. Just remember that before you post or try to correct other people....

KevinnButlerNPK

Well played sir :P.

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#17 eboyishere
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it's a free service and it was attacked.....i mean im not surprised that he was surprised lol

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#18 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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it's a free service and it was attacked.....i mean im not surprised that he was surprised lol

eboyishere
Why would it being a free service make any difference if there are millions of peoples' info on there? PSN is a free service in the same way Amazon is a free service :P
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#19 eboyishere
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

it's a free service and it was attacked.....i mean im not surprised that he was surprised lol

blue_hazy_basic

Why would it being a free service make any difference if there are millions of peoples' info on there? PSN is a free service in the same way Amazon is a free service :P

dont you start with me mr. hazy:x

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#20 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="eboyishere"]

it's a free service and it was attacked.....i mean im not surprised that he was surprised lol

eboyishere

Why would it being a free service make any difference if there are millions of peoples' info on there? PSN is a free service in the same way Amazon is a free service :P

dont you start with me mr. hazy:x

:D lol I'm in a starting mood today!

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#21 eboyishere
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Why would it being a free service make any difference if there are millions of peoples' info on there? PSN is a free service in the same way Amazon is a free service :Pblue_hazy_basic

dont you start with me mr. hazy:x

:D lol I'm in a starting mood today!

lol i got ****tho :/

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#22 SecretPolice
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Live in your world and if you Dare, play in ours. :shock:

:P

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#23 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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Mind explaining what your point was?

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#24 -Unreal-
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Where's the joke? I don't see it...JohnF111
I think it has something to do with the word 'there' instead of 'their'.
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#25 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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"THEIR" own world. Come on, people!

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#26 DavidianMH
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I don't understand what the TC is trying to say here....
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#27 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Where's the joke? I don't see it...Heil68
He's trying to show how bad Sony is. Look at his posting history and sig for all the jokes you'll ever need.

Yeah i thought so, i'm wondering if everything CEO says it's terrible and bad.. Seems to be the way he's trying to spin it but like someone else said he's honest Stringer admitted to not knowing things mostly because Sony don't quiz potential CEO's with past history, "So Stringer, can you give me a detailed history of all intrusions that has happened to us before you become CEO? If not then we'll get someone else!". Thats not a good way to find a good CEO.

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#28 dzimm
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"We have a network that gave people services free. It didn't seem like the likeliest place for an attack."

KevinnButlerNPK

When you piss off a bunch of hackers who openly say they're coming after you, everything because a likely place of attack.

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#29 DoomZaW
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"offered services for free"

Lul wut? They've been selling games and DLC through the PSN store for ages, and they are surprised someone would target a completely unprotected network?

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#30 dotWithShoes
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Where's the joke? I don't see it...KevinnButlerNPK

That anyone else could see this coming, except for Sony themselves and the fact they still pretend like their security was up to date when it wasn't...Only the blind faithful can't see that...

So you were inside of this with Sony or the hackers and know exactly what Sony's security measures were to know that their(yes) security was not up to date?
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#31 rastotm
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Well said Sony CEO: "I really don't think I could apologize for not knowing. It's a whole new experience for everybody at this scale''

For those who insist on putting all blame on Sony HF, no one cares that you do because you most likely don't own a playstation anyway.

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#32 Rockman999
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What's your point, guy?

Fanboyism is a hell of a drug.

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lol This is what I pictured when I read that.  :P
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#33 dzimm
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Well said Sony CEO: "I really don't think I could apologize for not knowing. It's a whole new experience for everybody at this scale''

rastotm
No it's not. Large scale systems have been the target of similar attacks for pretty much as long as computers have been remotely connected. The fact that he said they never expected to get attacked because it's a free service is pretty much an open admission that they adopted a "It'll never happen to us" mentality and were knowingly lax in their security. Any excuse he makes at this point is exactly that: an excuse.
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#35 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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. It's even funnirer to note that the focus is more directed to an obvious grammatical error then seeing the obvious.

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Than, not then.
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#36 rastotm
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[QUOTE="rastotm"]

Well said Sony CEO: "I really don't think I could apologize for not knowing. It's a whole new experience for everybody at this scale''

dzimm

No it's not. Large scale systems have been the target of similar attacks for pretty much as long as computers have been remotely connected. The fact that he said they never expected to get attacked because it's a free service is pretty much an open admission that they adopted a "It'll never happen to us" mentality and were knowingly lax in their security. Any excuse he makes at this point is exactly that: an excuse.



The claim about expecting to get attacked isn't that odd, especially since they basicly made a deal in the hotz debacle.

I'm just speculating here but that is the same for nearly everyone in this debate, I believe Sony was targetted because it was Sony, not because it was a easy target. If they would have picked xbox360, then it was xbox360 getting al the blame.

Adding to that, attacks that are so sophisticated and proffesional are quite rare. Great hacker assaults to rob money are alot less common. Most hackers try to make a point instead of being a criminal. Sony could have expected a attack but no one expected that group to turn in money robbing criminals.

Furtheremore the security isn't good enought is such a weak argument, a crime is a crime and a victim is a victim. Sony may have asked for it using security that is according to some, but never proven, very lacking. But that doesn't mean that they are completely responsible.

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#37 MrSelf-Destruct
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Hackers are honorable now? Thinking hackers aren't going to attack you because you offer a free service is pretty... well... it's not too crazy, but given the circumstances at the time it was beyond stupid. The only thing worse than that is TC still thinking that he knows more about Sony's security that they did. lol
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#38 cloudman5
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No doubt this was a big mess for sony. Sometimes things like this need to happen to make things better and more secure. its kinda like a learning experience. Microsofts system is prolly more secured cause of this, after all windows has to be the most hacked thing to death, and we all know that track record. Now that its over and done with, its the future security that needs to be judged.

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#39 Randoggy
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Gotta love people who spend their time trying to make PSN look bad.
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#40 Daytona_178
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Thats a terrible line of reasoning, even though its free people still load their card details onto it to buy DLC and such.

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#41 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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Thats a terrible line of reasoning, even though its free people still load their card details onto it to buy DLC and such.

Daytona_178
I think his point was more that there are less card details on PSN than say, XBL. Since PSN is a free service.
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#42 Makari
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

it's a free service and it was attacked.....i mean im not surprised that he was surprised lol

blue_hazy_basic
Why would it being a free service make any difference if there are millions of peoples' info on there? PSN is a free service in the same way Amazon is a free service :P

yeah - honestly, if PSN didn't have credit cards and personal info on it and it was just a big matchmaking service like a free Kali or something... *then* he'd probably have a point, and I wouldn't expect it to get attacked anymore!
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#43 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Where's the joke? I don't see it...Heil68
He's trying to show how bad Sony is.

So sony is hacked and peoples info is at stake. Fortunately I tend not to put any credit/debit card info on these things--there's a reason for psn cards/ms points, imo. But anyways, MS has been robbing people since Live started, and they do it to your face.

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#44 AmazonTreeBoa
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Pointless thread is pointless.

The title to this thread doesn't even fit it.

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#45 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

Thats a terrible line of reasoning, even though its free people still load their card details onto it to buy DLC and such.

kieranb2000
I think his point was more that there are less card details on PSN than say, XBL. Since PSN is a free service.

Irrelevant, the fact is though a LARGE amount of their customers will load in card details. Just because your competitor has more it doesn't make you that much less of a target. I appreciate the guy being honest and not giving some PR garbage,,,,BUT I feel his excuse for having less secure servers is invalid.
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#46 OneLazyAsian
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[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

Thats a terrible line of reasoning, even though its free people still load their card details onto it to buy DLC and such.

Daytona_178

I think his point was more that there are less card details on PSN than say, XBL. Since PSN is a free service.

Irrelevant, the fact is though a LARGE amount of their customers will load in card details. Just because your competitor has more it doesn't make you that much less of a target. I appreciate the guy being honest and not giving some PR garbage,,,,BUT I feel his excuse for having less secure servers is invalid.

I believe Stringer is only talking about PSN, not the store. That's the only way I see that he would make any sense.

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#47 205212669269561485377169522720
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Gotta love people who spend their time trying to make PSN look bad.Randoggy

Got boring after the first week, kind of like the "360 exclusives being announced... but it's a KINECT game" got boring after the.. 3rd or 4th thread.:P

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#48 clone01
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I don't understand what the TC is trying to say here....DavidianMH
I think what he is trying to say is that Sony perhaps should have realized that no online service is safe from hackers, and should have probably taken better steps with their security. That being said, I think the TC is being a little over dramatic about the situation.
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Translation: we didn't feel the need to put firewalls or run updated apache servers and only felt like having content and account servers located in a few places because we were offering a free service...we thought hackers wouldn't attack a free service and that was all the protection we would need.

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#50 Snyper-007
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Translation: we didn't feel the need to put firewalls or run updated apache servers and only felt like having content and account servers located in a few places because we were offering a free service...we thought hackers wouldn't attack a free service and that was all the protection we would need.

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