WOW....IGN destroys Halo 3's graphics but are happy with the overall game.

 http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/788/788328p1.html

This goes to show that those people that say Halo 3's graphics are amazing looking are in some serious denial or are blind fanboys. IGN goes as far as to say Halo 3's visuals can be down right ugly at times and that the most recent maps released for Halo 2 had more detail and had better visuals than the maps for the beta of Halo 3.

I for one think the game looks good but is FAR from amazing and is barely good enough to be considered "next-gen." I just don't see there being much improvement on the visuals in the next 5 months or so. Bungie pretty admited that the visuals for the multiplayer version of the game are pretty much final with only a few bells and whistles being added for the finished product.  I'm sure the single player version of the game will look better but the question is, how much better? Will it look anything like the trailers MS and Bungie released not so long ago? If it doesn't look close to those videos then I for one will be very disappointed in the graphics and in Bungie and MS. I'm sure millions of others will be disappointed as well. However, no matter what, this game will sell millions and most likely will have tight gameplay.

 I just remember a month ago when the alpha vidoes of this game were released and how people bashed the visuals. Many of my fellow lemmings defended the game saying that it was in "alpha" stage and when the beta version was released that the game would show TONS of improvement. Many of my fellow lemmings asked that everyone wait until the beta version was released of if then the visuals still sucked, then bashing of the games visuals would in fact be warrented. Now that the beta videos and impressions have been released and MOST aren't impressed with the visuals, I see many of my fellow lemmings using the copout, "Halo was never about the visuals and Halo 3 wont be any different." Kinda makes me embarrassed to be a lemming. Although I may be a lemming, I'm an honest one at that. I call them as I see them. Although I think Halo 3 looks good, its not what everyone, including myself, expected.

Ehhh.............Halo 3 doesn't look that bad. I'm sick of people saying graphics are 'ugly' simply because the game isn't as pretty as other titles. On its own, Halo 3 has a smooth, slick look. I haven't seen any textures in Halo 3 that are worse than Halo 2. I think that's IGN's 'expectation' talking.

Having said that, the visuals aren't 'wow'. Mainly because it doesn't push 360 hardware to the max, nor is it better looking than the most anticipated next-gen titles. 

Yes, halo 3 still lacks the wow factor. If you look at it factually it still looks quite good (texture quality of gears says proof I can't find right now), but it looks a little bland at places. I think this is mainly a problem for valhalla, I thought high ground and snowbound looked great. I can see how they like the game though. Bungie has apparantly managed to mix the best of halo 1 with the best of halo 2 plus some nice extras. Couple that with great networking I can see how this should be awesome. So yeah, graphics don't necessarily break games...

Have you kept count of your halo 3 beta graphics threads by the way?

I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.Colinllama

Beta this, beta that. The Halo 3 Beta is close to what the final product will look like. I know you say it'll have incremental improvements, but people say 'IT'S BETA' like the graphics are just going to improve 2-fold. That frustrates me too.

I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.Colinllama

Oh, I'm sure it will look a LITTLE better. But do we really want to accept this average looking game as our "Next-gen" Halo? I for one am very disappointed in Bungie. I really think they took the "safe" route in making this game and it makes me sick.

I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.Colinllama

Oh, I'm sure it will look a LITTLE better. But do we really want to accept this average looking game as our "Next-gen" Halo? I for one am very disappointed in Bungie. I really think they took the "safe" route in making this game and it makes me sick.

[QUOTE="Colinllama"]I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.neversummer75

Oh, I'm sure it will look a LITTLE better. But do we really want to accept this average looking game as our "Next-gen" Halo? I for one am very disappointed in Bungie. I really think they took the "safe" route in making this game and it makes me sick.

Huh? The 'safe-route'? The fact that they're engine is built from the ground up compared to another great-looking title that uses a pre-existing engine is the 'safe route'?

I'm sure Bungie have been lazying about the past 2-3 years :roll:

Yes, halo 3 still lacks the wow factor. If you look at it factually it still looks quite good (texture quality of gears says proof I can't find right now), but it looks a little bland at places. I think this is mainly a problem for valhalla, I thought high ground and snowbound looked great. I can see how they like the game though. Bungie has apparantly managed to mix the best of halo 1 with the best of halo 2 plus some nice extras. Couple that with great networking I can see how this should be awesome. So yeah, graphics don't necessarily break games...

Have you kept count of your halo 3 beta graphics threads by the way?

11Marcel

Yes I have. I love the Halo franchise and that is why I'm sooo pissed off. If Bungie isnt pushing the xbox360 to the max with this game then I would be extremely disappointed in them. This is the xbox360's flag ship title. Why wouldnt they try and push the xbox360 to it limits and make this game "Next-Gen" on all levels. Including graphics.

I think you're a blind fanboy is you cant see Halo 3's graphcis are a big improvement over Halo 2's.lucas_kelly

First of all, yes, I am a fanboy. I'm lemming(xboxlive gamertag: Homer75). So all those people talking at the IGN round table are blind fanboys as well? Come on dude, your the one sounding like a blind fanboy.

I still find it amazing to read daily the number of people who are banging on about Halo 3's multiplayer graphics being sub-par.  has anyone taken a look at RS:Vegas lately,  graphically the single player game is generally excellent, particularly the first mission.  yet take the game on live and there is (or was when i was last there) a distinct drop in quality.  Halo3's graphics for the single player game will IMO be very different from those in the multiplayer, hell the multiplayer they are looking at is a beta, why keep dredging it up every day.

sts106mat

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

Yes, halo 3 still lacks the wow factor. If you look at it factually it still looks quite good (texture quality of gears says proof I can't find right now), but it looks a little bland at places. I think this is mainly a problem for valhalla, I thought high ground and snowbound looked great. I can see how they like the game though. Bungie has apparantly managed to mix the best of halo 1 with the best of halo 2 plus some nice extras. Couple that with great networking I can see how this should be awesome. So yeah, graphics don't necessarily break games...

Have you kept count of your halo 3 beta graphics threads by the way?

neversummer75

Yes I have. I love the Halo franchise and that is why I'm sooo pissed off. If Bungie isnt pushing the xbox360 to the max with this game then I would be extremely disappointed in them. This is the xbox360's flag ship title. Why wouldnt they try and push the xbox360 to it limits and make this game "Next-Gen" on all levels. Including graphics.

[QUOTE="neversummer75"]

[QUOTE="Colinllama"]I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.Optusnet

Oh, I'm sure it will look a LITTLE better. But do we really want to accept this average looking game as our "Next-gen" Halo? I for one am very disappointed in Bungie. I really think they took the "safe" route in making this game and it makes me sick.

Huh? The 'safe-route'? The fact that they're engine is built from the ground up compared to another great-looking title that uses a pre-existing engine is the 'safe route'?

I'm sure Bungie have been lazying about the past 2-3 years :roll:

Well, thats even more sad. They make an engine from the ground up and the game still looks like crap

[QUOTE="sts106mat"]

I still find it amazing to read daily the number of people who are banging on about Halo 3's multiplayer graphics being sub-par.  has anyone taken a look at RS:Vegas lately,  graphically the single player game is generally excellent, particularly the first mission.  yet take the game on live and there is (or was when i was last there) a distinct drop in quality.  Halo3's graphics for the single player game will IMO be very different from those in the multiplayer, hell the multiplayer they are looking at is a beta, why keep dredging it up every day.

danneswegman

Ok, RB6V is a multiplat game. Halo 3 was built from the ground up to take advantage of the power of the xbox360. Furthermore, Halo 3 is the xbox360's flag ship title with tons and tons of money and manpower being devoted to it. I think there is a dig difference

[QUOTE="Optusnet"][QUOTE="neversummer75"]

[QUOTE="Colinllama"]I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.neversummer75

Oh, I'm sure it will look a LITTLE better. But do we really want to accept this average looking game as our "Next-gen" Halo? I for one am very disappointed in Bungie. I really think they took the "safe" route in making this game and it makes me sick.

Huh? The 'safe-route'? The fact that they're engine is built from the ground up compared to another great-looking title that uses a pre-existing engine is the 'safe route'?

I'm sure Bungie have been lazying about the past 2-3 years :roll:

Well, thats even more sad. They make an engine from the ground up and the game still looks like crap

Someone's expectations are too high. Think about - if Halo 3 was released before Gears of War almost no one would complain about the graphics.

They said even if Halo 3 was all WireFrame they would still buy it.

That says alot about the gameplay. More then can be said about lair or anything the PSTripple has to offer. :roll:

[QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]Ok, RB6V is a multiplat game. Halo 3 was built from the ground up to take advantage of the power of the xbox360. Furthermore, Halo 3 is the xbox360's flag ship title with tons and tons of money and manpower being devoted to it. I think there is a dig difference
neversummer75

I have the next lemming defense.

"Single player will look better."

Adopt it and I want 5 cents every time someone says it.

(PS I have my Halo 3 reserved and I can't wait to play it.)

I have the next lemming defense.

"Single player will look better."

Adopt it and I want 5 cents every time someone says it.

(PS I have my Halo 3 reserved and I can't wait to play it.)

 

Bread_or_Decide

I don't care what IGN say, it think it looks beautiful already !

And Bungie said that they will add all the final textures and lightning in the end, so shut up ! 

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

I have the next lemming defense.

"Single player will look better."

Adopt it and I want 5 cents every time someone says it.

(PS I have my Halo 3 reserved and I can't wait to play it.)

 

danneswegman

Gaming is expensive. i need all the extra income I can get. ;)

The game is far from ugly but they probably should have used the Unreal 3 engine like many other developers are this gen. However we don't know the scale of the single-player game, maybe some levels are so big that Gears of War level detail would be impossible even if they used UE3. JimmyT2

I would hate for every game to start looking like Gears of War. Look at Too Human they might as well just call it God of Gears of War.  I like Halo's style and I'm glad they didn't change it to fit into the "gears" look.

[QUOTE="JimmyT2"]The game is far from ugly but they probably should have used the Unreal 3 engine like many other developers are this gen. However we don't know the scale of the single-player game, maybe some levels are so big that Gears of War level detail would be impossible even if they used UE3. Bread_or_Decide

I would hate for every game to start looking like Gears of War. Look at Too Human they might as well just call it God of Gears of War.  I like Halo's style and I'm glad they didn't change it to fit into the "gears" look.

Yeah and with a game like Halo 3 I'm not sure the UE3 engine would work too well. I remember seeing an interview where they said the level are going to be massive and much bigger than anything they have done before with huge draw distances. If your flying across these levels at high speeds then Gears of War level detail wouldn't be possible. Not every game uses a consoles power the same way but that doesn't mean it's not using it's power. Compare Halo and Doom 3 for example, one focused on high detail small areas while Halo was more open. I know big games like Mass Effect and others use UE3 but I don't think you would travel across those games as fast as you do in the flying vehicles Halo 3 will have.

I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered.  It is an early version of the game.  I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.Colinllama

I completely agree. The problem is that console fanboys have never done Betas before and automatically think that "0mg this is the finished game!!!!!!!" That mindset is causing these forums and some websites to be flooded with these problems that WILL be fixed in the retail version. That's the point of a BETA. To FIX problems.

Bungie shouldn't have even bothered with the Beta... they should have realized console fanboys have no idea what a Beta is, and it will just be a step sideways for them in their Halo franchise.

Lets see how long it ll take until 360's graphics cant become any better!

If microsoft cant improve them then...

I think the word "Beta" needs to be remembered. It is an early version of the game. I am sure it will be "polished" for final release and will look a little better.Colinllama

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]Evil-Zero86

Don't count your chickens yet. I can remember everyone bashing Gears of Wars graphics when it was shown at E3. Bad Frame rate and no AA where the main criticisms and that game was closer to completion and shown in a more controlled environment with fewer levels. Betting that the flagship title won't impress graphically is not a safe bet to make, especially given how little we have seen of the game.

          The Halo 3 engine ( more accurately called "The Power Plant " ) will be sought after by even some elite devs. in the world - It's started already but.... nuff said about that ;)

          Halo's universe and story will not disappoint anyone who is a actual fan of the series.

          All others will become fans after this games been out for six months or less and will move 360's like never before !  At least MS/Bungie are spending and working hard to make it that way :)

          The people who have played the most up to date SP build ( Few and far between ) are very impressed with mostly every aspect of this work in progress so...

          The PC will wait for a long time to get this one so if you want to play anytime soon a 360 is a must.

          The PS3 will not see a game of this scope, size & beauty (SP) for a very long time if ever.

          It may go without saying - lol - but that also goes for the Wii.

          I'll end with - if you are truly no fanboy and a are a gamer at heart; Halo 3 will deliver the goods.

          If you doubt any of the above; you're only human but in short time you too shall become a Spartan.

Wow IGN has the full game? How's the single player?

Beta is free STFU about teh graphics. I'll start complaining when I actually have to consider spending money on this thing. Till then, I will always be in shock with how entitled, all these journalists feel.