WTF happened to MGS Rising?

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#101 ActionRemix
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YES!!! Because clearly, this totally looks like CoD :lol:madsnakehhh
It looks like a ripoff of popular brawlers. They ditched everything that could have made the game unique and innovative in favor of "fun."
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#102 Eponique
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Cut at will. Oh wait. Nevermind. Only during scripted sequences.ActionRemix
Sorry, this is no "press A to win" game :roll: God, "look how long it takes to beat an enemy!", is the best complaint people can come up with :lol:
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#103 Eponique
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]YES!!! Because clearly, this totally looks like CoD :lol:ActionRemix
It looks like a ripoff of popular brawlers. They ditched everything that could have made the game unique and innovative in favor of "fun."

Fun is a bad thing now? This is the worst meltdown ever. At least with other meltdowns, people would have good reasons to have a meltdown. Now people are actually bashing the concepts of fun and skill in favour of cinematic experiences, coolness and flashy graphics. Thank god I jumped shipped to handheld gaming.
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#104 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Cut at will. Oh wait. Nevermind. Only during scripted sequences.Eponique
Sorry, this is no "press A to win" game :roll: God, "look how long it takes to beat an enemy!", is the best complaint people can come up with :lol:

My complaint is that they ditched everything that made the game interesting to me in the first place and replaced it with a generic brawler. Even the graphics took a nose dive. No idea how that happened when we saw a live demo of it last year.
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#105 foxhound_fox
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I'm not really sure what happened. Maybe the tech demo was never meant to be an actual game.
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#106 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]YES!!! Because clearly, this totally looks like CoD :lol:Eponique
It looks like a ripoff of popular brawlers. They ditched everything that could have made the game unique and innovative in favor of "fun."

Fun is a bad thing now? This is the worst meltdown ever. At least with other meltdowns, people would have good reasons to have a meltdown. Now people are actually bashing the concepts of fun and skill in favour of cinematic experiences, coolness and flashy graphics. Thank god I jumped shipped to handheld gaming.

I put fun in quotes because his concept of fun is not equivalent to my concept of fun. The 2010 game looked like incredible fun. The current game looks horrific.
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#107 Eponique
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My complaint is that they ditched everything that made the game interesting to me in the first place and replaced it with a generic brawler. Even the graphics took a nose dive. No idea how that happened when we saw a live demo of it last year.ActionRemix
All you was a CGI trailer and Raiden destroying the enivornments. And "generic brawler"? What other brawler is there? This is going to take the best beat 'em up (Bayonetta) and improve on it.
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#108 LegatoSkyheart
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seriously guys?

You thought Rising was going to be good before?

They made it better!

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#109 ActionRemix
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All you was a CGI trailer and Raiden destroying the enivornments. And "generic brawler"? What other brawler is there? This is going to take the best beat 'em up (Bayonetta) and improve on it.Eponique
This is CGI? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMdu_dUzjfE
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#110 Eponique
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I put fun in quotes because his concept of fun is not equivalent to my concept of fun. The 2010 game looked like incredible fun. The current game looks horrific.ActionRemix
The 2010 game was unique and innovative how? THAT was the definition of "another brawler". This game is made by PlatinumGames, which is the only reason I have hope in it.
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#111 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I put fun in quotes because his concept of fun is not equivalent to my concept of fun. The 2010 game looked like incredible fun. The current game looks horrific.Eponique
The 2010 game was unique and innovative how? THAT was the definition of "another brawler". This game is made by PlatinumGames, which is the only reason I have hope in it.

Precision sword control and slash destruction physics. It also was going to feature hunter stealth - stalking prey as opposed to fleeing predators like in typical MGS. No brawler elements in the 2010 game.
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#112 Eponique
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]All you was a CGI trailer and Raiden destroying the enivornments. And "generic brawler"? What other brawler is there? This is going to take the best beat 'em up (Bayonetta) and improve on it.ActionRemix
This is CGI? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMdu_dUzjfE

I didn't see that before. That was more boring than the trailer :? You still don't know if the final game will be any different though. I hope it doesn't get through though, that put me to sleep. The most recent trailer looks the best.
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#113 Eponique
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[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I put fun in quotes because his concept of fun is not equivalent to my concept of fun. The 2010 game looked like incredible fun. The current game looks horrific.ActionRemix
The 2010 game was unique and innovative how? THAT was the definition of "another brawler". This game is made by PlatinumGames, which is the only reason I have hope in it.

Precision sword control and slash destruction physics. It also was going to feature hunter stealth - stalking prey as opposed to fleeing predators like in typical MGS. No brawler elements in the 2010 game.

Who said it would be a hunter stealth? The E3 2010 trailer looks like a beat 'em up to me.
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#114 ActionRemix
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Who said it would be a hunter stealth? The E3 2010 trailer looks like a beat 'em up to me.Eponique
Konami did. You can find the quote earlier in the thread.
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#116 KC_Hokie
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Looks like a hack n slash. So I'll pass. When they originally showed off the game like two years ago it looked a lot more interesting.
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#117 Eponique
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The old Rising was cancelled for those wondering. We're only getting the game now because Platinum was asked to step in as a dev.

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Looks like Kojima got bored. It probably would have been a bad game.
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#118 _VenomX
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The old Rising was cancelled for those wondering. We're only getting the game now because Platinum was asked to step in as a dev.

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That sucks :S
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#119 ActionRemix
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[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

The old Rising was cancelled for those wondering. We're only getting the game now because Platinum was asked to step in as a dev.

Eponique
Looks like Kojima got bored. It probably would have been a bad game.

Kojima wasn't involved in development.
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#120 Eponique
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Kojima wasn't involved in development.ActionRemix
I'm pretty sure he had a large influence on it.
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#121 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="cainetao11"]Its obvious some had preconcieved notions of what this game was going to be. I never once thought it would be a stealth first game. Hence the former moniker,"lighting bolt action". But hey no game is for everyone. lancea34
The game initially was supposed to include stealth like all metal gear solid games. You could still decide to kill enemies or not and you could even finish the whole game without killing anybody.

well I guess I missed that info on what it was supposed to be. Can you guide me to a source of that info?
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#122 lamprey263
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OMG, a potentially playable MGS game; they've betrayed fans of the lengthy unplayable cinematics. Anyhow, I didn't see any breakdance fighting... they gotta have the breakdance fighting like in MGS4 or I'm so not buying it. Leave out the armless fighting with a sword in the mouth, as well as that sappy Raiden family reunion, and I might dish out a few clams. Anyhow, Platinum Games is making this one, which is why I'm showing any interest in it.
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#123 Peredith
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="Eponique"]All you was a CGI trailer and Raiden destroying the enivornments. And "generic brawler"? What other brawler is there? This is going to take the best beat 'em up (Bayonetta) and improve on it.Eponique
This is CGI? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMdu_dUzjfE

I didn't see that before. That was more boring than the trailer :? You still don't know if the final game will be any different though. I hope it doesn't get through though, that put me to sleep. The most recent trailer looks the best.

You mean the trailer where Raidens sword looksl ike it's made out of wood?

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#124 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Looks like it could turn out to be an awesome hack and slash since it's dev'd by Platinum Games.
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#125 Wanderer5
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Can we just wait to see more gameplay at least? Honestly the trailer only shown bits of the gameplay. And with PG working on this, this game could still be crazy fun.

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#126 NeonNinja
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It landed in the hands ofa competent developer known for making two of the best games of this generation. I'd say things are looking might fine for Rising.

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#127 sandbox3d
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OMG, a potentially playable MGS game; they've betrayed fans of the lengthy unplayable cinematics. Anyhow, I didn't see any breakdance fighting... they gotta have the breakdance fighting like in MGS4 or I'm so not buying it. Leave out the armless fighting with a sword in the mouth, as well as that sappy Raiden family reunion, and I might dish out a few clams. Anyhow, Platinum Games is making this one, which is why I'm showing any interest in it.lamprey263

^

In this post: MGS4 is the only prior MGS game.

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#128 Eponique
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You mean the trailer where Raidens sword looksl ike it's made out of wood?

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Uhm, I'm not sure. Well, the first part of my post, I was talking about the E3 2010 trailer. The "most recent trailer" means the VGA 2011 trailer.
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#129 KC_Hokie
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It landed in the hands ofa competent developer known for making two of the best games of this generation. I'd say things are looking might fine for Rising.

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Except it looks like it was turned into a hack n slash.
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#130 Peredith
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2010:

2011:

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#131 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

It landed in the hands ofa competent developer known for making two of the best games of this generation. I'd say things are looking might fine for Rising.

KC_Hokie
Except it looks like it was turned into a hack n slash.

I thought it was always a hack and slash?
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#132 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

It landed in the hands ofa competent developer known for making two of the best games of this generation. I'd say things are looking might fine for Rising.

siLVURcross
Except it looks like it was turned into a hack n slash.

I thought it was always a hack and slash?

When they first showed it like two years ago it didn't seem like a hack n slash.
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#133 Eponique
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It went from Assassin's Creed/Prince of Persia to Bayonetta. :D Oh well, this is going to be the best meltdown in a while, so I may as well just drink the tears.
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#134 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]Not only that but where is the stealth ? they turned it into a hack n slash game, the 2009 trailer was promising and i liked that alot more.

it originally was : mgs: rising with the tag, lighting bolt action. What says stealth in that?
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Except it looks like it was turned into a hack n slash.KC_Hokie
I thought it was always a hack and slash?

When they first showed it like two years ago it didn't seem like a hack n slash.

Judging from the gifs that kind sir has posted, it sure looks like one. Albeit not as crazy and over the top.
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#136 mitu123
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2010:

2011:

Peredith

I like how Raiden took out enemies so easily in the 2010 build, lol.

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#137 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"] I thought it was always a hack and slash?

When they first showed it like two years ago it didn't seem like a hack n slash.

Judging from the gifs that kind sir has posted, it sure looks like one. Albeit not as crazy and over the top.

I generally pass on hack n slash. Disappointed what this game turned into.
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#138 hippiesanta
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the dialog in the latest VGA2011 trailer is so campy and corny
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#139 mitu123
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Except it looks like it was turned into a hack n slash.KC_Hokie
I thought it was always a hack and slash?

When they first showed it like two years ago it didn't seem like a hack n slash.

You mean 2010? I don't remember any footage from 2009. And there's plenty of hack n slash in that 2010 vid.

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#140 Peredith
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[QUOTE="Peredith"]

2010:

2011:

mitu123

I like how Raiden took out enemies so easily in the 2010 build, lol.

Yeah, like his swords razor sharp, not made out of wood, or blunt :P

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#141 MLBknights58
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Seeing the 2010 version and 2011 version side by side it makes even more apparent how badly the switch to NG style gameplay was needed. :lol:

Man this is my game of the show actually. I love these types of games.

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#142 Eponique
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If you people want to kill people in one hit, you can play on the inevitable "Very Easy" mode :lol:
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#143 yoshi_64
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I'll be frank, the trailer kind of blew chunks IMO. However I believe in Platinum games, that it will turn out solid as an action game, but the trailer to me just.. ugh... music choice was bad. The guitar riffs, lame font and word play, just seemed to overdo it for me.
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#145 MLBknights58
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Eh, I don't feel like bumping the other thread, so here's a summary of the recent KojiPro podcast:

  • Kamiya isn't directing, more info coming soon
  • Rising was cancelled due to lacking gameplay - apparently they had the cutting mechanics and nothing else
  • Story was changed to take place years after MGS4 to give Platinum more freedom
  • Enemies are all cyborgs

This is the podcast, and this is the translation.

Slashkice

Yeah that's too bad,precision cutting bowling pins and watermelons would have been such a gripping experience. :lol:

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#146 Eponique
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Eh, I don't feel like bumping the other thread, so here's a summary of the recent KojiPro podcast:

  • Kamiya isn't directing, more info coming soon
  • Rising was cancelled due to lacking gameplay - apparently they had the cutting mechanics and nothing else
  • Story was changed to take place years after MGS4 to give Platinum more freedom
  • Enemies are all cyborgs

This is the podcast, and this is the translation.

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Oh damn, first bullet point made me take an arrow to the knee. I wonder who is directing then...
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#147 JVII
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Eh, I don't feel like bumping the other thread, so here's a summary of the recent KojiPro podcast:

  • Kamiya isn't directing, more info coming soon
  • Rising was cancelled due to lacking gameplay - apparently they had the cutting mechanics and nothing else
  • Story was changed to take place years after MGS4 to give Platinum more freedom
  • Enemies are all cyborgs

This is the podcast, and this is the translation.

Slashkice

No Kamiya definitely killed what little hope I had. Oh well, hopefully his next game will be shown sooner rather than later.

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#148 Peredith
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If you people want to kill people in one hit, you can play on the inevitable "Very Easy" mode :lol:Eponique

Combat is not the only problem, and hitting someone with a razor sharp katana would slice them in half. The bigger problem is the original trailer actually resembled Metal Gear. It was over the top but still grounded in some sort of reality. The new trailer looks like Vanquish with swords, and almost cartoony. It looks terrible. How you can't see it is beyond me. :?

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#149 sandbox3d
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Why do I keep seeing people say "Ninja Gaiden type game"? :x

The gameplay doesn't look nearly that good. It completely lacks the necessary enemy AI, speed and precision to be compared directly to NG the way people are doing. And yes, before someone julmps my case, you can tell these things from a video.

It would be like calling some so-so platformer a game a Mario type game just because the character jumps.

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#150 xOMGITSJASONx
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Vanquish + Metal Gear Solid? The game will be pimpish!