WTF happened to MGS Rising?

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People are delusional if they think Rising was going to look like what it did in 2010. Those graphics on PS3/360? Please, give me a break. That's what it'd look like on a high end PC.

If consoles could do 1080p and 8 X AA without any corners being cut; then it could look like the trailer..

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#352 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The 2010 version had better graphics, but of course, the FPS was lower and maybe the res. new version is 1280x720 at 60FPS so there had to be a downgrade.

johny300

And a huge one that is, the difference in lighting and textures is huge based on that video, also will the cutscenes be in real time ? like any other MGS game ?

Probably, wouldn't be surprised if they made them better.

Also, this proves how outdated consoles are, lol.

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#353 mitu123
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People are delusional if they think Rising was going to look like what it did in 2010. Those graphics on PS3/360? Please, give me a break. That's what it'd look like on a high end PC.

If consoles could do 1080p and 8 X AA without any corners being cut; then it could look like the trailer..

Mozelleple112

There was a PC version announced...not sure if it's canceled, I hope not.

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#354 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

The 2010 version had better graphics, but of course, the FPS was lower and maybe the res. new version is 1280x720 at 60FPS so there had to be a downgrade.

mitu123

And a huge one that is, the difference in lighting and textures is huge based on that video, also will the cutscenes be in real time ? like any other MGS game ?

Probably, wouldn't be surprised if they made them better.

Also, this proves how outdated consoles are, lol.

Yes we need new consles fast, i want Kojima's next game to be on next gen consles.
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The 2010 version had better graphics, but of course, the FPS was lower and maybe the res. new version is 1280x720 at 60FPS so there had to be a downgrade.

johny300
And a huge one that is, the difference in lighting and textures is huge based on that video, also will the cutscenes be in real time ? like any other MGS game ?

they took down the color filter, that's all the difference i can see. oh and the gif is smoother, but that's not how one should compare graphics lol and given that this trailer seems to indicate that cutscenes will be extensions of gameplay, i'd bet on "yes"
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#356 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

The 2010 version had better graphics, but of course, the FPS was lower and maybe the res. new version is 1280x720 at 60FPS so there had to be a downgrade.

BrunoBRS

And a huge one that is, the difference in lighting and textures is huge based on that video, also will the cutscenes be in real time ? like any other MGS game ?

they took down the color filter, that's all the difference i can see. oh and the gif is smoother, but that's not how one should compare graphics lol and given that this trailer seems to indicate that cutscenes will be extensions of gameplay, i'd bet on "yes"

The buildings looked horrible and the enviroments don't look that good i'm pretty sure they had to downgrade the graphics by a huge margin to get it to 60 FPS and 720p and i think they are using Vanquish's engine. should have used Fox Engine. :x :o

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#357 Mozelleple112
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

People are delusional if they think Rising was going to look like what it did in 2010. Those graphics on PS3/360? Please, give me a break. That's what it'd look like on a high end PC.

If consoles could do 1080p and 8 X AA without any corners being cut; then it could look like the trailer..

mitu123

There was a PC version announced...not sure if it's canceled, I hope not.

It looked like a Kojima-esque game made from the ground up for PC. As if MGS4 came out in 2012 and was PC exclusive.
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="johny300"] And a huge one that is, the difference in lighting and textures is huge based on that video, also will the cutscenes be in real time ? like any other MGS game ?johny300

they took down the color filter, that's all the difference i can see. oh and the gif is smoother, but that's not how one should compare graphics lol and given that this trailer seems to indicate that cutscenes will be extensions of gameplay, i'd bet on "yes"

The buildings looked horrible and the enviroments don't look that good i'm pretty sure they had to downgrade the graphics by a huge margin to get it to 60 FPS and 720p and i think they are using Vanquish's engine. should have used Fox Engine. :x :o

devs should use the engine they work the best with if you want their games to achieve its maximum potential. and honestly, i can't spot anything wrong with the new graphics. maybe the cheesy lightning png popping in and out as you go through "slow-mo slice mode", but that's it.
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#359 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]Looks better than any Metal Gear announcement I've seen this gen. It's time the series stopped taking itself seriously. All the people complaining expected another game where the story was 80% and the gameplay was 20%. I'm glad to see some devs who know how to make an action game are in charge now.

No. Look at the gifs. The new game looks terrible. That's the problem.

The old swordplay looked clunky. Slicing everything in one hit was not compelling gameplay.
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="johny300"]For all we know this could be an old build game is still in development, we have to see more this isn't enough.johny300
But the old build from over a year ago blows the new game out of the water.

We are one of the few people that liked the old build but it can still be a very good game with some extra polish,

I loved the way the old built looked. But I never really played it, and if kojipro junked it, it probably sucked. Where is the faith in kojipro now. Everyone hails him as a god, but when his team can't handle something and make a decision to let others handle that part everyone is jumping ship. If he is as great as it has been claimed have faith that the old one didn't work and he didn't want to go on with that garbage. He must have some faith in platnum.
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#361 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]But the old build from over a year ago blows the new game out of the water.cainetao11
We are one of the few people that liked the old build but it can still be a very good game with some extra polish,

I loved the way the old built looked. But I never really played it, and if kojipro junked it, it probably sucked. Where is the faith in kojipro now. Everyone hails him as a god, but when his team can't handle something and make a decision to let others handle that part everyone is jumping ship. If he is as great as it has been claimed have faith that the old one didn't work and he didn't want to go on with that garbage. He must have some faith in platnum.

I still need to see more the game is a long way from release so it should be polished enough by release to please the people who were upset.
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#362 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

People are delusional if they think Rising was going to look like what it did in 2010. Those graphics on PS3/360? Please, give me a break. That's what it'd look like on a high end PC.

If consoles could do 1080p and 8 X AA without any corners being cut; then it could look like the trailer..

Mozelleple112

There was a PC version announced...not sure if it's canceled, I hope not.

It looked like a Kojima-esque game made from the ground up for PC. As if MGS4 came out in 2012 and was PC exclusive.

Looks like the PC verison is no more.:(

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#364 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Looks like the PC verison is no more.:(

Slashkice

Yeah, it's not listed on the new site.

I wanted a PC version.D= Looks like PS3 will have to do.
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#365 LustForSoul
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I could see why they'd make such a big change. The 2010 looks smooth but wouldn't be fast enough to kill stuff like robots and such. The 2010 footage does look better though, but I'm sure they'll make something great.
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#367 Ravensmash
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Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Stringerboy
I'm cautiously excited for that exact reason.
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#368 hensothor
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I don't see the difference.
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#369 Joedgabe
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I don't see the difference. hensothor

In first gameplay things were besically designed to be cut at will in the angle you want and could be used more strategically. The new gameplay shows it's a combo meter game basically that at the end you'll do a finishing move that he'll just chop the enemies into millions of pieces.

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Why are people still complaining about the changes from the old game? They may have made promises of "hunter stealth" or whatever but they were empty promises - that's why the game was cancelled. Because they couldn't get their ideas to actually work in the game.

The Platinum version of the game takes what the old game actually had - slicing and dicing - and makes it fun, not insta-kill slow-mo cutting. The latter may look neat in a gif, but stretch it over 8+ hours and you'll see why the changes are a good thing.

Slashkice
Ex-freakin-actly. KP simply couldn't deliver on their promises, so they called in the big dogs (Platinum) to clean up the mess. I've never seen such senseless bashing in all my life. The game is now in much better hands.
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#371 meetroid8
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It seemed like the original was pushing the intricate sword movements, with the failure of Move, perhaps they decided to go a more traditional route? Or was it ever supposed to support Move in the first place? I can't remember to be honest.
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#372 Master_ShakeXXX
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Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Stringerboy

Why was you hoping for realism? MGS has never been grounded in realism. Not even close. Have I stepped into an alternate dimension?

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#373 ActionRemix
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It seemed like the original was pushing the intricate sword movements, with the failure of Move, perhaps they decided to go a more traditional route? Or was it ever supposed to support Move in the first place? I can't remember to be honest. meetroid8
It was multiplat and I believe it used dual analog for sword control.
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#376 Joedgabe
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[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Master_ShakeXXX

Why was you hoping for realism? MGS has never been grounded in realism. Not even close. Have I stepped into an alternative dimension?

See it's not really about realism persay. People are upset about the game because they probably imagined that a car would try to hit them and they would chop it up trought the middle. Or enemies would shoot them and they would just cut their guns off, or if there was an enemy with long hair that they would have the fun of giving the character a hair cut. Unfortunatly this type of game sounds realistically very very hard to make so instead they made a hack n slash where you probably fill in a 20 hit combo meter and pull of a special attack that will chop the enemies for you taking away that pleasure that was promised in the first trailer. Not really realism but more so than slashing your enemies and they don't chop off.

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#377 mitu123
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Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Stringerboy

In a series with vampires, nanomachines, cyborgs and an enemy that uses bees to attack, not sure how that's possible.

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#378 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="Slashkice"]

Why are people still complaining about the changes from the old game? They may have made promises of "hunter stealth" or whatever but they were empty promises - that's why the game was cancelled. Because they couldn't get their ideas to actually work in the game.

The Platinum version of the game takes what the old game actually had - slicing and dicing - and makes it fun, not insta-kill slow-mo cutting. The latter may look neat in a gif, but stretch it over 8+ hours and you'll see why the changes are a good thing.

Stringerboy

Ex-freakin-actly. KP simply couldn't deliver on their promises, so they called in the big dogs (Platinum) to clean up the mess. I've never seen such senseless bashing in all my life. The game is now in much better hands.

You're constant obssesion for Platinum Games is getting somewhat tiresome.

Cool, you're the 100th person to say that. Guess how much I give a s***?
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[QUOTE="johny300"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] they took down the color filter, that's all the difference i can see. oh and the gif is smoother, but that's not how one should compare graphics lol and given that this trailer seems to indicate that cutscenes will be extensions of gameplay, i'd bet on "yes"BrunoBRS

The buildings looked horrible and the enviroments don't look that good i'm pretty sure they had to downgrade the graphics by a huge margin to get it to 60 FPS and 720p and i think they are using Vanquish's engine. should have used Fox Engine. :x :o

devs should use the engine they work the best with if you want their games to achieve its maximum potential. and honestly, i can't spot anything wrong with the new graphics. maybe the cheesy lightning png popping in and out as you go through "slow-mo slice mode", but that's it.

Animations look alot worse...

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#380 MFDOOM1983
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Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Stringerboy

Because MGS is known for being subtle?:P

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#381 clone01
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Cool, you're the 100th person to say that. Guess how much I give a s***?

So you pretty much admit you're a social pariah. Well played.
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#382 Peredith
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[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Master_ShakeXXX

Why was you hoping for realism? MGS has never been grounded in realism. Not even close. Have I stepped into an alternate dimension?

It had a realistic but still anime style. Look when Raiden hits now, all colorful **** appears on screen, it looks lame.

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#384 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="johny300"]

The buildings looked horrible and the enviroments don't look that good i'm pretty sure they had to downgrade the graphics by a huge margin to get it to 60 FPS and 720p and i think they are using Vanquish's engine. should have used Fox Engine. :x :o

Peredith

devs should use the engine they work the best with if you want their games to achieve its maximum potential. and honestly, i can't spot anything wrong with the new graphics. maybe the cheesy lightning png popping in and out as you go through "slow-mo slice mode", but that's it.

Animations look alot worse...

Tech demos typically are more impressive.
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#385 KevinPlanet
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Is it just me or did the graphical fidelity take a huge dip from the clip they showed in 2010 to Revengence?

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#386 hayato_
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I liked what I saw............

Looks cool to me. Don't know what all the fuss is about. The original footage looked too much like Metal Gear anyway. Would like to see a Zone of the Enders like this though.

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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Cool, you're the 100th person to say that. Guess how much I give a s***?

So you pretty much admit you're a social pariah. Well played.

I didn't admit to anything, ya crazy. Still hearing those voices in your head I see.
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#389 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

You're constant obssesion for Platinum Games is getting somewhat tiresome.

Stringerboy

Cool, you're the 100th person to say that. Guess how much I give a s***?

That's cool dude, It just shows how blind you are.

But if that doesn't effect you than that's fine by me, just pointing it out.

How blind I am? But I can read your posts just fine :o
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#390 BrunoBRS
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Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Stringerboy
LOL. sorry, that last word made me laugh.
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#391 clone01
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] I didn't admit to anything, ya crazy. Still hearing those voices in your head I see.

What voices. There are numerous people here who feel the same way. But you didn't answer my assertion. Do you admit to being a social pariah? :) :) :)
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#392 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

Peredith

Why was you hoping for realism? MGS has never been grounded in realism. Not even close. Have I stepped into an alternate dimension?

It had a realistic but still anime style. Look when Raiden hits now, all colorful **** appears on screen, it looks lame.

Everything we saw in the new trailer was no more outlandish and unreal than the things Raiden performed in MGS4. So Platinum added a few stylish effects for extra flavor, big deal. Nitpicking to the max.
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[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

BrunoBRS
LOL. sorry, that last word made me laugh.

Realism in a Metal Gear game.... You people are so goddamn hilarious.
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#394 clone01
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Everything we saw in the new trailer was no more outlandish and unreal than the things Raiden performed in MGS4. So Platinum added a few stylish effects for extra flavor, big deal. Nitpicking to the max.Master_ShakeXXX
Didn't answer me, shake.
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#395 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] I didn't admit to anything, ya crazy. Still hearing those voices in your head I see.

What voices. There are numerous people here who feel the same way. But you didn't answer my assertion. Do you admit to being a social pariah? :) :) :)

As in being different from a lot of other posters? Yeah, sure. Is that some how a bad thing?
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#396 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Everything we saw in the new trailer was no more outlandish and unreal than the things Raiden performed in MGS4. So Platinum added a few stylish effects for extra flavor, big deal. Nitpicking to the max.clone01
Didn't answer me, shake.

Still operating under the assumption that I have to answer your questions I see. I was replying to another poster. I don't visit SW to only associate with you, jackass.
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#397 clone01
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] I didn't admit to anything, ya crazy. Still hearing those voices in your head I see.

What voices. There are numerous people here who feel the same way. But you didn't answer my assertion. Do you admit to being a social pariah? :) :) :)

As in being different from a lot of other posters? Yeah, sure. Is that some how a bad thing?

Yeah, actually is. Why would you post the same thing everytime? Clogging up the boards. BF3 being the most recent example? BTW, I've still got your tremendous letter to me on psn, the-gun-smoke. nice job, nice job. still not banned, but keep trying!
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#398 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Everything we saw in the new trailer was no more outlandish and unreal than the things Raiden performed in MGS4. So Platinum added a few stylish effects for extra flavor, big deal. Nitpicking to the max.Master_ShakeXXX
Didn't answer me, shake.

Still operating under the assumption that I have to answer your questions I see. I was replying to another poster. I don't visit SW to only associate with you, jackass.

I find it a bit offensive that you'd refer to me as "jackass."
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#399 mitu123
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Platinum games, that's what happened.

I know the gameplay will be good, but it's a shame that they turned it into this over the top, anime style game like Vanquish and Bayonetta. I was hoping for a bit of realism.

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In a series with vampires, nanomachines, cyborgs and an enemy that uses bees to attack, not sure how that's possible.

Well clearly. Although I would have liked a more gritty, even human aspect to the game. As opossed to this new over the top vision that Kojima seems to have adopted. It could have worked considering this is a spin-off.

You can slow down time to cut people in half...realism still wouldn't be there.

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#400 Master_ShakeXXX
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="clone01"] What voices. There are numerous people here who feel the same way. But you didn't answer my assertion. Do you admit to being a social pariah? :) :) :)

As in being different from a lot of other posters? Yeah, sure. Is that some how a bad thing?

Yeah, actually is. Why would you post the same thing everytime? Clogging up the boards. BF3 being the most recent example? BTW, I've still got your tremendous letter to me on psn, the-gun-smoke. nice job, nice job. still not banned, but keep trying!

Clogging the boards? I seldom make more than a couple topics per month. You sure are delusional.