X1X a failure at 4K, the truth revealed!

It's now known that most games will not be running at 4k @60fps on the X1X. Some will but for the most part this won't happen. That's the truth.

What we will get is 1800p @60fps. That is 3200 X 1800 = 5,760,000 pixels @60 fps. By comparison, 1080p = 1920 X 1080 = 2,073,600 pixels. We all know very well that the PS4 can't run every game at 1080p 60fps, not even close. Not even the PS4 Pro runs every game at 1080p 60fps. The X1X runs games much better with almost 3X as many pixels as 1080p!

Weren't all of you console gamers excited about 1080p with a full 60fps but have never been able to achieve that? Well, here you go, for the first time ever you will have 1800p resolution and at 60fps.

X1X will run EVERY GAME at 1800p @60fps except when it runs the game at a full 4k @60fps!

Lems can't catch a break...

Something something ARC developer something 1070 near Epic settings

*insert chart*

blah blah blah Titanfall 2 4k comment

*insert chart*

Yakkity yak yak Memory Bandwidth yak yak FP16

*Numbers*

Yadda yadda look at my 1080ti

*insert box pic*

Damage control.

Anthem is checkerboard at 30fps

Assassins Creed is checkerboard as well.

Even with Checkerboard XboneX still struggles lol.

60fps on the X1X is still a luxury even when games aren't running anywhere close to 4K.

Still the most powerful console ever.

lol PS4 Pro

@drlostrib: ? I had to do a double take, nice Ron impression.

No the Pro is until MS release..lol

Damage control thread.

Also, lol at the X1X running "every game 1800p at 60fps". Literally yesterday it became known that Killing Floor 2 has to run at 1800p on the X1X because it falters too much at 4k, and will not be 60 fps, but rather will run at "higher rates of fps" than the XB1. Know why the dev said "rates", with an "s" on the end? You guessed it. That fps rate is not locked on the X1X, even at 1800p.

In other words, try again.

Oh the insecurities are showing

Keeping it simple on my end and very much stoked for acquiring the XOneX super console on day 1. As long as I see a significant graphical difference with the base XOne, the price would have been worth it for me.

I lol'd

maybe a little harder than I should

Anthem will run at 30fps along with Assassin's Creed at below 4K. Killing Floor 2 runs at 1800p on PS4 Pro. GT Sport will run 1800p 60 FPS. All of what you said, except the first line, is false.

Very happy with what I'll be getting from the Xbox One X when I get it so that's all that I really care about.

Whats the point if the bark is loud but no bite?

I didn't bother with PS4 Pro as I realized the upgrade wasn't worth $400 to someone that already had a PS4.

I would assume that to those that already have an X1 or capable PC that the X1X is not worth the $500 asking price.

I'm personally waiting until the next PlayStation iteration and it better damn well be able to play my PS4 games (both physical and digital).

The funny and ironic part of this post is that I'm sure you don't realize that depending on optimization, some games will run better on the X1X than on your 1080 ti. Have a nice day at de-nile beach.

seriously?

Have fun waiting 3 years with a crippled console. I will enjoy gaming at it's finest with the most powerful gaming console in the world, the X1X!

When the PS5 is released, MS will most likely release a new Xbox at the same time that destroys it. Meanwhile, have fun with your gimped spec box.

@drlostrib said:

@Xplode_games said:

@drlostrib said:

Something something ARC developer something 1070 near Epic settings

*insert chart*

blah blah blah Titanfall 2 4k comment

*insert chart*

Yakkity yak yak Memory Bandwidth yak yak FP16

*Numbers*

Yadda yadda look at my 1080ti

*insert box pic*

The funny and ironic part of this post is that I'm sure you don't realize that depending on optimization, some games will run better on the X1X than on your 1080 ti. Have a nice day at de-nile beach.

seriously?

That's an indisputable FACT! Learn that.

@Xplode_games said:

@drlostrib said:

@Xplode_games said:

@drlostrib said:

Something something ARC developer something 1070 near Epic settings

*insert chart*

blah blah blah Titanfall 2 4k comment

*insert chart*

Yakkity yak yak Memory Bandwidth yak yak FP16

*Numbers*

Yadda yadda look at my 1080ti

*insert box pic*

The funny and ironic part of this post is that I'm sure you don't realize that depending on optimization, some games will run better on the X1X than on your 1080 ti. Have a nice day at de-nile beach.

seriously?

That's an indisputable FACT! Learn that.

Surely you can't be serious

@drlostrib: Maybe your reading comprehension is not the best. Go ahead and take the time to reread what I wrote so that you can fully understand it. At which time, you will realize that it is indeed an indisputable fact.

@Xplode_games said:

@drlostrib said:

@Xplode_games said:

@drlostrib said:

Something something ARC developer something 1070 near Epic settings

*insert chart*

blah blah blah Titanfall 2 4k comment

*insert chart*

Yakkity yak yak Memory Bandwidth yak yak FP16

*Numbers*

Yadda yadda look at my 1080ti

*insert box pic*

The funny and ironic part of this post is that I'm sure you don't realize that depending on optimization, some games will run better on the X1X than on your 1080 ti. Have a nice day at de-nile beach.

seriously?

That's an indisputable FACT! Learn that.

This. This right here lems. This is what we're talking about...

@Zero_epyon: You may not like my statement but it is a statement of fact. There is nothing you or anyone can do to dispute it. I guess that is why neither of you are even attempting to do so. Maybe you want to rely on the ignorance of the majority of the forum who may know any better. With me, you're dealing with someone with vast knowledge. You're in over your head. I understand why you went that route.

@Xplode_games: By all means... have fun on the X1X. I'm sure it will have plenty of great games that allow you to do just that. And as you will have on your X1X, I'll be having fun on my launch PS4 with plenty of great games as well. I don't see consoles as being gimped unless it breaks constantly, such as the 360's RRoD issues that were wide spread.

Where are the sources to back up your so-called fact?

Sw cows really lack conviction, given any chance they will downplay what the Xbox 1x can do but fail to realize that it's still better than the PS4. Cows keep thinking the ps5 will save them but the unforced error that is the PSpro made sure that won't happen.

Sw will be a baren wasteland after November, lems left when they lost the power argument and in November when it's time for cows to eat crow they will probably just leave instead of admitting they were wrong, and let's not even talk about DF face offs post November. This is the last ride for cows.

I don't understand why we are still here arguing about resolution when we still can't even get devs to give us a constant 60fps at anything above console settings. That's the reason we still have the same ugly mop tops and jaggies in game. I want better physics, character models, fps, and textures on console 1st then we can talk about upping the resolution.

Back on topic: Still better than what the pro has to offer.

@Zero_epyon: K.. don't lump us in a group. And QuackKnight the major cow is worse than any lem. Convienently you seem to ignore cows

False.

Killing Floor 2 will Run at 1800CB on PS4 Pro not 1800P so quit spreading False information. The 1800P of the XB1X version is 2X the Native Resolution of 1800CB. So Please stop being Disingenious. Also Assassins Creed is Dynamic 4K on XB1X and it runs at 4K a lot of the time.

A's Creed is Dynamic 4K

"Assassin’s Creed Origins is rendered in dynamic resolution… it just so happens that the Xbox One X is so powerful, it can render the game a lot of times in 4K"

Cant wait to sink my teeth into origins in glorious 4K.

I'm not. But some people treat me like I'm crazy when I say some lems hyped this up beyond expectations. I don't ignore cows. But currently, they're not trying to say Pro is something it's not. And I find it interesting that instead of calling out this fanboy for his bs, you're attacking me instead. So maybe I should be lumping you together. lol.

@Zero_epyon: Lol I never hyped up the X1X more than it was. I'm still hyped for it. I know a lot of games will be checkerboard or dynamic 4K and I'm more than ok with that lol.

Nope. Killing floor 2 renders at 1800p then checkerboards to 4K from there just like it does for games like Horizon as per DF:

https://youtu.be/fSvYJD-vGhI?t=46s

"Tripwire has also confirmed that the game is rendering at 3200x1800 while using checkerboard rendering to deliver the final 4K image.

It's not checkerboarded to 1800p. It's rendered at a native 1800p then checkerboarded to 4K at a 60fps target. X1X will also be 1800p, minus the checkerboard. It'll just be plain upscaled from there instead.

As for AC, you're incorrect again as it uses both Checkerboard Rendering and a dynamic scaling solution to achieve 4K. Again, DF:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-assassins-creed-origins-xbox-one-technology-first-look

"And yet, for a machine marketed on 'true 4K' gaming, there is an argument that the game does fall short, as Ubisoft is deploying both checkerboard rendering and dynamic resolution to construct its 2160p framebuffer."

They dynamically scale to the resolution that is to be checkerboarded to 4K. So basically if that resolution is 1800p, then they scale down and back up from 1800p and checkerboard whatever comes from that. It never hits native 4K.

In any case, TC claims that X1X games will be 1800p/60 or 4K/60. So games like anthem and AC and even Gears 4 prove that claim false.

I never called you out specifically. I'm also not saying you can't be excited for or want the X1X. Just don't expect 1070/1080 ultra performance.

As per DF GT Sport is 1800p CBR with upscale to 4k.

From the original press release done by Tripwire it would appear Killing Floor 2 is also utilizing 1800pCBR then upscale to 4k. It's likely the bloke doing the vid misinterpreted what was said. X1X is 50% more powerful than Pro, which is unlikely to achieve 1800p native + Ultra textures and parity with the X1X.

"Tripwire Interactive is pleased to release brand new assets for its upcoming successful co-op sci-fi horror FPS game, KILLING FLOOR 2...

...

The PlayStation®4 Pro version of KILLING FLOOR 2 features the following enhancements:

* 1800p checkboard rendering on 4K TV (3200x1800) optimized for 4K TVs"

1800pCBR = 1600x1800 with checkboard-pattern interpolation of missing details.

What's failing are these threads. Whether it's trashing the x1 or ps4 it's blatant waste of the op's time.

The power leader for gen 8 is almost over.

This was a direct quote from the dev though. "Killing Floor 2 runs at native 1800p, fixed resolution (no checkerboarding) on Xbox One X. We did experiment with true 4k rendering, but the frame rate drop was a bit too significant. We don’t have a specific frame rate target for XBox One X, although the game does run at higher frame rates than the base Xbox One, even at 1800p resolution." It will be 1800p (3200x1800). Doing anything more dropped the framerate too low for their tastes.

GT Sport renders native 1800p then checkerboarded to 4K. The checkerboarding happens after the engine puts out an 1800p image. You guys know that right? And I don't know where you got 1800p = 1600x1800, especially with the dev quote of yours saying it's 3200x1800.

@kuu2 said:

@EG101 said:

@Zero_epyon said:

Anthem will run at 30fps along with Assassin's Creed at below 4K. Killing Floor 2 runs at 1800p on PS4 Pro. GT Sport will run 1800p 60 FPS. All of what you said, except the first line, is false.

False.

Killing Floor 2 will Run at 1800CB on PS4 Pro not 1800P so quit spreading False information. The 1800P of the XB1X version is 2X the Native Resolution of 1800CB. So Please stop being Disingenious. Also Assassins Creed is Dynamic 4K on XB1X and it runs at 4K a lot of the time.

A's Creed is Dynamic 4K

"Assassin’s Creed Origins is rendered in dynamic resolution… it just so happens that the Xbox One X is so powerful, it can render the game a lot of times in 4K"

I guess you didn't read my response to him refuting his whole post with links. I guess I should have expected this though....

Out of date? Can you link me to something more recent where Ubisoft or DF say it's not checkerboard and only scales dynamically?

EDIT: Just saw it. Ok so it's not checkerboard. I'm cool with that. It's still not 1800p/60 or 4K/60 but 4K/30. TC is still wrong.

If anything, this affirms what I was saying: "native 1800p(no checkerboarding) on Xbox One X". As in, "unlike PS4 Pro".

1. GT Sport is explicitly 1800pCBR with upscale to 4K. DF: "So what are we getting here?"..."We're getting 1800p checkerboarding, so it's not native 4K. They're checkerboarding up to 1800p before upscaling"

2. Checkerboarding uses half resolution and "checkerboard" interpolation of the missing pixels. You are way off.

3. The devs say explicitly 1800pCBR, or 3200x1800p final framesize with 1-to-1 pixel mapping to 1800p.

You are, dude.

ARC Survival X1X development build is currently has 1920x1080p 60 fps target while PS4 pro version has 1920x1080p 30 fps target.

Announcement for X1X's HDMi 2.1 FreeSync already indicates non-60 hz results.

Ok I get the GT Sport one. I got a bit confused on what they were doing. It isn't, however, the same thing Tripwire did with PS4 Pro. DF say this:

Tripwire has also confirmed that the game is rendering at 3200x1800 while using checkerboard rendering to deliver the final 4K image"

They're not upscaling from a checkerboard 1800p. They're rendering at 1800p then checkerboarding from there to 4K.

And I'm not downplaying anything! I'm simply calling out the silliness of TC's assertion that all X1X games will be either 4K/60 or 1800p/60. That's plainly false.

I know. Did you see the edit?

IMPOSSIBLE! TC was certain that all Xbox One X games will run at 1800p/60 or 4K/60. 1080p/60 on the X must be a lie! Plain and simple!

DF is off on this comment.

GT Sport is 1080p/60fps on PS4 and 1800pCBR/60fps on PS4 Pro.

Killing Floor 2 is 1080p/40-60fps on PS4 and according to Tripwire and VG Tech 1800pCBR/40-60fps on PS4 Pro.

You figure it out...

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Some reading:

"Checkerboarding up to full 4K is more demanding and requires half the basic resolution - a 1920x2160 buffer - but with access to the triangle and object data in the ID buffer, beautiful things can happen as technique upon technique layers over the base checkerboard output."

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P.S.- That's 3 separate and substantial errors on your part in this thread alone.