Xbox 360: 4 SKU's TOO MANY!

Four SKU's?  Isnt it just 3? 

Yea, For now it is.  Remember the "IPTV" That M$oft is releasing for the 360?  Well, That 120gb HDD isnt for that IPTV.  Microsoft already confirmed that the current 3 SKU's will not support the IPTV Function of THE NEW 360, Due out at the last quarter of this year!

Now, Dont get me wrong.  Not everyone wants the IPTV.  You complain and explain to me that "PS3 SUX CAUSE NO ONE NEEDS BLU-RAY, Or a Big HDD or......or......WIRELESS INTERNET CONNECTION! YEAHH!!!".  Truth is, By November of this year, There is going to be 1 more version of the 360 out.  Quieter, Cooler and jampacked with features.  Now, That is just wrong.  The "Elite" should be the end of the line right?  When a consumer reads "Elite", That better be the end of the line.

The 20gb PS3 died because not many people bought it, and the lower price, Coupled with the hardware, Was causing a $200 loss in profits.  Versus a $100 loss for the 60gb version.

Im not putting any 360 owner down.  Whatever 360 version you have it just fine.  Its great that you atleast have a next-gen console.   What I am saying is that you guys need to say something.  I have been an avid emailer to Sony, Telling them what my beef is with them.  If I was a 360 owner, Who paid $500 an gained a larger HDD and a new connection (no HD-DVD, No Smaller Chip, No Wireless Internet), I would be FLIPPING. 

A company is "Supplying You" When they automaticaly settle with Immersion for rumble in their new console. 

A Comapny is actually listening to what you say and are ready to give you what you (The Consumer) want when they settle for MILLIONS out of court just to have rumble in a controller.

I hope anyone who has a bricked or disc-scratching 360 get taken care of by M$oft, Jabba the Hut of Gaming companies.

what about the fifth one?   the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

Four SKU's?  Isnt it just 3? 

Yea, For now it is.  Remember the "IPTV" That M$oft is releasing for the 360?  Well, That 120gb HDD isnt for that IPTV.  Microsoft already confirmed that the current 3 SKU's will not support the IPTV Function of THE NEW 360, Due out at the last quarter of this year!

Now, Dont get me wrong.  Not everyone wants the IPTV.  You complain and explain to me that "PS3 SUX CAUSE NO ONE NEEDS BLU-RAY, Or a Big HDD or......or......WIRELESS INTERNET CONNECTION! YEAHH!!!".  Truth is, By November of this year, There is going to be 1 more version of the 360 out.  Quieter, Cooler and jampacked with features.  Now, That is just wrong.  The "Elite" should be the end of the line right?  When a consumer reads "Elite", That better be the end of the line.

The 20gb PS3 died because not many people bought it, and the lower price, Coupled with the hardware, Was causing a $200 loss in profits.  Versus a $100 loss for the 60gb version.

Im not putting any 360 owner down.  Whatever 360 version you have it just fine.  Its great that you atleast have a next-gen console.   What I am saying is that you guys need to say something.  I have been an avid emailer to Sony, Telling them what my beef is with them.  If I was a 360 owner, Who paid $500 an gained a larger HDD and a new connection (no HD-DVD, No Smaller Chip, No Wireless Internet), I would be FLIPPING. 

A company is "Supplying You" When they automaticaly settle with Immersion for rumble in their new console. 

A Comapny is actually listening to what you say and are ready to give you what you (The Consumer) want when they settle for MILLIONS out of court just to have rumble in a controller.

I hope anyone who has a bricked or disc-scratching 360 get taken care of by M$oft, Jabba the Hut of Gaming companies.

beetleclam

Just out of curiousity, do you have a link for the fourth xbox 360 confirmation cause I havnt heard anything on that one.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

mjarantilla

noo, this one is going to be quiter, less heat, no red lights. Im sure MS is not going to pass on this opportunity to charge you more for it.

what about the fifth one?   the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

yes because we know your opinion on this is the mark of truth right? since i've not heard of them confirmed that iptv will not work on the current line of 360s, and the 65nm gpu and cpu will be in all forms of the 360. 

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

mjarantilla

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

noo, this one is going to be quiter, less heat, no red lights. Im sure MS is not going to pass on this opportunity to charge you more for it.

Nope, it won't be a new SKU. The 65nm cpu will be in the Elite, Premium, and Core units with a manufacture date of this coming Fall.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Lazy_Boy88

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

Um, yes they did. The original fat PS2's had the dreaded DRE's.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

mjarantilla

But not something it didn't have before or couldn't......the 360 didn't have HDMI originally. It was added later....people who already bought a 360, they would have spend the $80 dollars more to get it with HDMI and not to mention the bigger hard drive.

Don't bring up the etherment port for the slimPS2 as an example because 360 premium owners don't have an adapter available that adds the HDMI port. There is no such option available to them when that's what Microsoft has been pushing with the 360....options, choices, options...blah blah blah.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

WilliamRLBaker

yes because we know your opinion on this is the mark of truth right? since i've not heard of them confirmed that iptv will not work on the current line of 360s, and the 65nm gpu and cpu will be in all forms of the 360. 

they are going to call that one xbox360 special edition, watch!

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Lazy_Boy88

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

Three of the original PS2 launch models were only sold in Japan, and lack the Dev9 expansion port of current PS2 models. These versions were SCPH-10000, SCPH-15000 and SCPH-18000. These included a PCMCIA slot instead of the Expansion Bay (DEV9) port of newer models. A PCMCIA to Dev9 adapter was made available for these models. SCPH-10000 and SCPH-15000 did not have a built-in DVD player and instead relied on an encrypted player that was copied to a memory card from an included CD-ROM (normally, the PS2 will only execute encrypted software from its memory card, but see PS2 Independence Exploit). V3 has a substantially different internal structure from the subsequent revisions, featuring several interconnected printed circuit boards. As of V4 everything was unified into one board, except the power supply. V5 introduces minor internal changes and the only difference between V6 (sometimes called V5.1) and V5 is the orientation of the Power/Reset switch board connector, which was reversed to prevent the use of no-solder modchips. V7 and V8 are also similar. Assembly of the PS2 moved to People's Republic of China with the V9 (model number SCPH-50000/SCPH-50001), which added the Infrared port for the optional DVD Remote control, removed the FireWire port, added the capability to read DVD-RW and +RW discs, added progressive-scan output of DVD movies, and a quieter fan. V10 and V11 have minor changes.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Lazy_Boy88

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

That's about as wrong as it gets. The PS2 hardware was revised with a new drive to stop DREs and better fans. And it was revised eight times, as opposed to the 360's one (so far). 

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Lazy_Boy88

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

The elite has HDMI fyi..... I can't imagine a new SKU for the 360 coming out, I'll believe it when they announce it. If they do then i'll wait for one of them, I want a quieter more reliable console and I can't see the point of the elite if it's wracked with all the same problems the originals had.

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

mjarantilla

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

But in the case of the PS2, people who originally bought one got things that people who bought one later did not....like a DV port. It was removed later.

Ethernet port could be added to the previous PS2....but in case of the 360 there is no adapter available to add that HDMI port.

Faster DVD drives? haha, now you are just grasping for straws to justify the Elite version of the 360.

But anyway I don't see how yelling PS2 in response to what Microsoft is doing with the 360 justifies anything. If you think Microsoft did no wrong then STOP JUSTIFYING IT.

Hang on, what do you mean MS confirmed that the Elite/Premium wouldn't support IPTV?mjarantilla

He just made it up. The IPTV does not need a large hard drive because it is streaming.

what about the fifth one?   the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Lazy_Boy88

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

Check your facts dude. The PS2 skus added different features such as remote, DVD-r support, built in network and progressive scan play back.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

sainraja

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

But in the case of the PS2, people who originally bought one got things that people who bought one later did not....like a DV port. It was removed later.

Ethernet port could be added to the previous PS2....but in case of the 360 there is no adapter available to add that HDMI port.

Faster DVD drives? haha, now you are just grasping for straws to justify the Elite version of the 360.

But in the case of the PS2, people who originally bought one got things that people who bought one later did not....like a DV port. It was removed later.

Ethernet port could be added to the previous PS2....but in case of the 360 there is no adapter available to add that HDMI port.

Faster DVD drives? haha, now you are just grasping for straws to justify the Elite version of the 360.

But anyway I don't see how yelling PS2 in response to what Microsoft is doing with the 360 justifies anything. If you think Microsoft did no wrong then STOP JUSTIFYING IT.

sainraja

Sorry buddy, but you're the guy who's obviously wrong here. You said the PS2 didn't have hardware reiterations. This is debunked by the EIGHT versions it went through. You then say "yeah but they didn't change the way it functioned." It got progressive scan, the IR and ethernet ports, the better disc drive to stop all the DREs, a faster disc drive for load times and better, quieter fans. That doesn't include the changes to the basic chipsets to make them cheaper and more efficient.

Then there's the SLIMLINE model.

So far the 360 has had one new version with an HDMI port for high-end HDTV owners. That's the only new model. All the other existing models will be fitted with a more efficient chip later in the year to cut down on heat. That's it.

How can you possibly say the 360 is worse? 

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one?   the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Chronic2007

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

[QUOTE="Chronic2007"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

wiljas

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

[QUOTE="Chronic2007"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

wiljas

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

The Elite doesn't have a different chip. They're ALL getting the cooler chip to cut down on over heating, with no price increase. The Elite has HDMI and the 120gb hard drive. That's it. 

[QUOTE="wiljas"][QUOTE="Chronic2007"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Ninja-Vox

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

The Elite doesn't have a different chip. They're ALL getting the cooler chip to cut down on over heating, with no price increase. The Elite has HDMI and the 120gb hard drive. That's it.

Four SKU's? Isnt it just 3?

Yea, For now it is. Remember the "IPTV" That M$oft is releasing for the 360? Well, That 120gb HDD isnt for that IPTV. Microsoft already confirmed that the current 3 SKU's will not support the IPTV Function of THE NEW 360, Due out at the last quarter of this year!

Now, Dont get me wrong. Not everyone wants the IPTV. You complain and explain to me that "PS3 SUX CAUSE NO ONE NEEDS BLU-RAY, Or a Big HDD or......or......WIRELESS INTERNET CONNECTION! YEAHH!!!". Truth is, By November of this year, There is going to be 1 more version of the 360 out. Quieter, Cooler and jampacked with features. Now, That is just wrong. The "Elite" should be the end of the line right? When a consumer reads "Elite", That better be the end of the line.

The 20gb PS3 died because not many people bought it, and the lower price, Coupled with the hardware, Was causing a $200 loss in profits. Versus a $100 loss for the 60gb version.

Im not putting any 360 owner down. Whatever 360 version you have it just fine. Its great that you atleast have a next-gen console. What I am saying is that you guys need to say something. I have been an avid emailer to Sony, Telling them what my beef is with them. If I was a 360 owner, Who paid $500 an gained a larger HDD and a new connection (no HD-DVD, No Smaller Chip, No Wireless Internet), I would be FLIPPING.

A company is "Supplying You" When they automaticaly settle with Immersion for rumble in their new console.

A Comapny is actually listening to what you say and are ready to give you what you (The Consumer) want when they settle for MILLIONS out of court just to have rumble in a controller.

I hope anyone who has a bricked or disc-scratching 360 get taken care of by M$oft, Jabba the Hut of Gaming companies.

beetleclam

Um Im pretty sure the Elite is for the IPTV.  If not why would the include a 120 GB HDD? 

So, this thread is basically fake?Jandurin

Exactly. 

Are some people really that stupid, I mean in order for you to use the IPTV service, it's just a matter of updating with new software, not hardware. I'm telling you, it's a sad day for mankind. In order for the 360 to utilize the IPTV service, will come with the Fall update, just in time for when IPTV will be running on all it's legs. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-08IPTVXboxPR.mspx

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces2007/the-real-deal-on-xbox-360-iptv-with-pics-and-video-227911.php

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

noo, this one is going to be quiter, less heat, no red lights. Im sure MS is not going to pass on this opportunity to charge you more for it.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

GermanShepard06

noo, this one is going to be quiter, less heat, no red lights. Im sure MS is not going to pass on this opportunity to charge you more for it.

Among the PS2 variations, the console was made 75% quieter over the years, had progressive scan added, had DVD-R/R+ support added, had an IR port added, and, in the case of the slimline, had an ethernet port added. Among other things too, the DRE problem was fixed... several lawsuits later. Don't tell us that the Elite is the worst hardware refinement ever - it ain't. And good show mjarantilla.

[QUOTE="wiljas"][QUOTE="Chronic2007"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

Ninja-Vox

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

The Elite doesn't have a different chip. They're ALL getting the cooler chip to cut down on over heating, with no price increase. The Elite has HDMI and the 120gb hard drive. That's it. 

I know they didn't put the New chip in the Elite. But what about the next SKU they will come out with.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="wiljas"][QUOTE="Chronic2007"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

wiljas

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

The Elite doesn't have a different chip. They're ALL getting the cooler chip to cut down on over heating, with no price increase. The Elite has HDMI and the 120gb hard drive. That's it.

I know they didn't put the New chip in the Elite. But what about the next SKU they will come out with.

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

mjarantilla

Except new PS2 iterations never significantly changed how it functioned. 65nm chips will make 360s much quieter and more reliable... exactly what I've been waiting for to get one. And it will be a new SKU almost guarunteed.... at least an HDMI port will be added.

[QUOTE="wiljas"][QUOTE="Chronic2007"][QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]

what about the fifth one? the one with 65nm cpu and gpu, im sure they will give that one a different name too.

mjarantilla

that is called a revision. The Ps2 had at least 10 of them

Yes. the Ps2 had revisions but they didn't raise the price for the new revision. It usually either kept the price the same or droped it to a lower price.

Changing the Chip and putting in a larger HDD and then raising the price just tells me you didn't get what you wanted in the first place. Having the option to buy a larger HDD is just fine. But Some things for a console should just be set in stone. and only streamlined. I am looking for a long term investment. not a 6 month one.

Microsoft did add an HDMI port and a bigger hard drive which raised the price. Sony adding progressive scan and ethernet port EVEN THOUGH LIKE I HAVE ALREADY SAID previous owners could easily buy the network adapter and add the ethernet port an option the 360 owners don't have with the hdmi port.

Changing of the chip didn't raise the price of the PS2, neither did adding progressive scan (which like I have already said is not as big as adding a port originally NOT in the specification of the system, not even available as an add-on.) Microsoft said many times that 20GB is enough, that HDMI is not needed. What kind of message did the consumers at the time of those statements get? Yeah, they thought they were getting everything with the PREMIUM version which we clearly know now not to be the case.

AND I like how you ignored my previous statement where I said you can't yell PS2 to justify the moves being made by Microsoft now. If you think Microsoft is not making a mistake then stop justifying it......and Sony obviously isn't doing the same thing they did with the PS2 with the PS3. (I am not talking about chip revisions because I understand that happens all the time.) Sony included HDMI, various card readers (not just memorystick pro duo), a big hard drive (with the ability to upgrade EASILY, non-proprietary). Sony made all the right decisions in the design of the PS3. Microsoft OBVIOUSLY did not which is the point.