Xbox 360 Elite Uses HDMI 1.2 No Support For Dolby TrueHD

The Xbox 360 Elite will ship with HDMI version 1.2, as opposed to the latest version 1.3. What do you lose with such a monstrous degradation? HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams; this can be accomplished in HDMI 1.2 if the player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, but unfortunately neither the Xbox 360 nor HD DVD add-on support it. (For reference, the PlayStation 3 was the first device to use HDMI 1.3.)

Other differences include audio / lip sync technology, a greater transfer speed -- which would matter if you were outputting above 1080p, but that is currently the maximum resolution -- and Deep Color, which again will be more distinguishable in future resolutions.

For now, the only major disparity will be the audio. Does this affect anyone's decision to purchase the Elite?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/02/xbox-360-elite-uses-hdmi-1-2-no-support-for-dolby-truehd/

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized.  :?

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized. :?

50u1r34v3r

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized. :?

50u1r34v3r

1.3 will be implemented in 4 months time, when they release the Xbox 360 Super Elite.

I'm joking of course.

The Xbox 360 Elite will ship with HDMI version 1.2, as opposed to the latest version 1.3. What do you lose with such a monstrous degradation? HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams; this can be accomplished in HDMI 1.2 if the player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, but unfortunately neither the Xbox 360 nor HD DVD add-on support it. (For reference, the PlayStation 3 was the first device to use HDMI 1.3.)

Other differences include audio / lip sync technology, a greater transfer speed -- which would matter if you were outputting above 1080p, but that is currently the maximum resolution -- and Deep Color, which again will be more distinguishable in future resolutions.

For now, the only major disparity will be the audio. Does this affect anyone's decision to purchase the Elite?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/02/xbox-360-elite-uses-hdmi-1-2-no-support-for-dolby-truehd/

 

InfamousC

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized. :?

50u1r34v3r

The Xbox 360 Elite will ship with HDMI version 1.2, as opposed to the latest version 1.3. What do you lose with such a monstrous degradation? HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams; this can be accomplished in HDMI 1.2 if the player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, but unfortunately neither the Xbox 360 nor HD DVD add-on support it. (For reference, the PlayStation 3 was the first device to use HDMI 1.3.)

Other differences include audio / lip sync technology, a greater transfer speed -- which would matter if you were outputting above 1080p, but that is currently the maximum resolution -- and Deep Color, which again will be more distinguishable in future resolutions.

For now, the only major disparity will be the audio. Does this affect anyone's decision to purchase the Elite?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/02/xbox-360-elite-uses-hdmi-1-2-no-support-for-dolby-truehd/

 

InfamousC

Sad thing is, people wont even know this, and will get milked thinking they just purchased the so called, "ELITE" version from MS, just to find out later, they got screwed, just how us first 9.8 million owner of the first 2 versions of the xbox 360 got screwed with the elite.

Is there a price difference between 1.2 and 1.3?

Actually? No one's getting screwed without 1.3. Here's an interesting thread I found , while trying my hardest to find a list of 1.3 capable devices. So far, the only thing I found were some HD-DVD/Blu-ray players, and the PS3. Supposedly a receiver is coming out sometime this spring/summer, but no displays yet, that can take advantage of 1.3's ability to produce 1440(i/p) resolution.

A little quote from the thread:

This thread will (hopefully) clarify some points on why you don't necessarily need to wait for HDMI 1.3 in an AV receiver.

* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Dolby True HD
* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Dolby Digital Plus
* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of DTS-HD Master Audio
* While you do need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Deep Color, there are no imminent sources for Deep Color
* Sony appears to be releasing xvYCC camcorders and a TV with HDMI 1.3 and xvYCC; I suspect the number of people in the market for this is limited (The TV Sony announced was a 70" LCD that's supposed to cost $30k USD)
* Even if you did want to wait for HDMI 1.3, there are limitations with passing on the bitstream from the player to the AVR
* 1080p is supported in HDMI 1.1; Some receivers simply did not implement it

If you want to take advantage of any of the new "high definition" audio formats encoded in HD DVD or Blu-ray soundtracks, your receiver needs one of two options. It either needs multi-channel analog inputs, or the ability to properly handle multi-channel PCM. Not all receivers with HDMI inputs handle HDMI audio. Some apparently don't handle multi-channel PCM properly. Of those that handle multi-channel PCM, some won't boost the LFE channel by 10Db which is needed for a proper LFE level. Hopefully all newer receiver models advertising HDMI audio handling will properly handle 5.1 PCM for 5-channel models, and 7.1 PCM for 7-channel models.

[QUOTE="50u1r34v3r"]

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized. :?

AcidTWister

That's why I find it strange they are going for the 1.2 standard.

Maybe the 1.3 standard needs serious redesigning of the PCB's,

or maybe the implementation of it would be too expensive.

IDK it just seems strange  to me that they're using 1.2 

blah, i bet 1% of the people in this thread even uses surround sound, your all 2.0 tv channel gamers.HeHateMe_basic

Shouldn't there at least be a 100 people in this thread to come to 1%?

But you might be correct that there will not be too many people who will benefit from the TrueHD sound etc. 

Wow, Microsoft dropped the ball on this one. Absolutely unacceptable.thinicer

The Xbox 360 Elite will ship with HDMI version 1.2, as opposed to the latest version 1.3. What do you lose with such a monstrous degradation? HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams; this can be accomplished in HDMI 1.2 if the player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, but unfortunately neither the Xbox 360 nor HD DVD add-on support it. (For reference, the PlayStation 3 was the first device to use HDMI 1.3.)

Other differences include audio / lip sync technology, a greater transfer speed -- which would matter if you were outputting above 1080p, but that is currently the maximum resolution -- and Deep Color, which again will be more distinguishable in future resolutions.

For now, the only major disparity will be the audio. Does this affect anyone's decision to purchase the Elite?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/02/xbox-360-elite-uses-hdmi-1-2-no-support-for-dolby-truehd/

 

InfamousC

[QUOTE="InfamousC"]

The Xbox 360 Elite will ship with HDMI version 1.2, as opposed to the latest version 1.3. What do you lose with such a monstrous degradation? HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams; this can be accomplished in HDMI 1.2 if the player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, but unfortunately neither the Xbox 360 nor HD DVD add-on support it. (For reference, the PlayStation 3 was the first device to use HDMI 1.3.)

Other differences include audio / lip sync technology, a greater transfer speed -- which would matter if you were outputting above 1080p, but that is currently the maximum resolution -- and Deep Color, which again will be more distinguishable in future resolutions.

For now, the only major disparity will be the audio. Does this affect anyone's decision to purchase the Elite?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/02/xbox-360-elite-uses-hdmi-1-2-no-support-for-dolby-truehd/

Deihmos

blah, i bet 1% of the people in this thread even uses surround sound, your all 2.0 tv channel gamers.HeHateMe_basic

So true. LOL. Crying about something they'll never use or recognize. They'll never  have the equipment or if you put these setups side by side, they'll never know the difference. 1.3 will be hyped to sell TVs, but will be used next gen.

I really don't see the advantages of using HDMI 1.3 in the 360.  Seems like more of a red herring arguement from Sony fans.   The PS3 can use it because of the integrated Bluray player.  In which case, the PS3 would be immensely crippled with a 1.2 output.  I think Microsoft knows the writing is on the wall regarding the imminent defeat of HD-DVD and felt that it would be useless to integrate a 1.3 HDMI connection in the unit with no integrated HD-DVDdrive to speak of.ramey70

Funny how the PS3 has 1.3, but they're flagship XBR2s were using HDMI 1.1.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]I really don't see the advantages of using HDMI 1.3 in the 360. Seems like more of a red herring arguement from Sony fans. The PS3 can use it because of the integrated Bluray player. In which case, the PS3 would be immensely crippled with a 1.2 output. I think Microsoft knows the writing is on the wall regarding the imminent defeat of HD-DVD and felt that it would be useless to integrate a 1.3 HDMI connection in the unit with no integrated HD-DVDdrive to speak of.terrellpakeman

Funny how the PS3 has 1.3, but they're flagship XBR2s were using HDMI 1.1.

[QUOTE="AcidTWister"][QUOTE="50u1r34v3r"]

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized. :?

50u1r34v3r

That's why I find it strange they are going for the 1.2 standard.

Maybe the 1.3 standard needs serious redesigning of the PCB's,

or maybe the implementation of it would be too expensive.

IDK it just seems strange  to me that they're using 1.2 

I don't think it matters. I have a Pioneer Elite ($1200) receiver and it doesn't support 1.3. I really doubt any one but richie rich would care.Ejaywillie

[QUOTE="50u1r34v3r"]

I read about this yesterday.

What I can't understand is why they chose 1.2 when 1.3 is already available.

Unless they planned to build the Elite before 1.3 specs were finalized. :?

AcidTWister

Actually? No one's getting screwed without 1.3. Here's an interesting thread I found , while trying my hardest to find a list of 1.3 capable devices. So far, the only thing I found were some HD-DVD/Blu-ray players, and the PS3. Supposedly a receiver is coming out sometime this spring/summer, but no displays yet, that can take advantage of 1.3's ability to produce 1440(i/p) resolution.

 

A little quote from the thread:

This thread will (hopefully) clarify some points on why you don't necessarily need to wait for HDMI 1.3 in an AV receiver.

* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Dolby True HD
* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Dolby Digital Plus
* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of DTS-HD Master Audio
* While you do need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Deep Color, there are no imminent sources for Deep Color
* Sony appears to be releasing xvYCC camcorders and a TV with HDMI 1.3 and xvYCC; I suspect the number of people in the market for this is limited (The TV Sony announced was a 70" LCD that's supposed to cost $30k USD)
* Even if you did want to wait for HDMI 1.3, there are limitations with passing on the bitstream from the player to the AVR
* 1080p is supported in HDMI 1.1; Some receivers simply did not implement it

If you want to take advantage of any of the new "high definition" audio formats encoded in HD DVD or Blu-ray soundtracks, your receiver needs one of two options. It either needs multi-channel analog inputs, or the ability to properly handle multi-channel PCM. Not all receivers with HDMI inputs handle HDMI audio. Some apparently don't handle multi-channel PCM properly. Of those that handle multi-channel PCM, some won't boost the LFE channel by 10Db which is needed for a proper LFE level. Hopefully all newer receiver models advertising HDMI audio handling will properly handle 5.1 PCM for 5-channel models, and 7.1 PCM for 7-channel models.AcidTWister

I think the cows just got owned.

Also, it's so funny to watch cows complain about something they will never use.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="InfamousC"]

The Xbox 360 Elite will ship with HDMI version 1.2, as opposed to the latest version 1.3. What do you lose with such a monstrous degradation? HDMI 1.3 adds support for Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams; this can be accomplished in HDMI 1.2 if the player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, but unfortunately neither the Xbox 360 nor HD DVD add-on support it. (For reference, the PlayStation 3 was the first device to use HDMI 1.3.)

Other differences include audio / lip sync technology, a greater transfer speed -- which would matter if you were outputting above 1080p, but that is currently the maximum resolution -- and Deep Color, which again will be more distinguishable in future resolutions.

For now, the only major disparity will be the audio. Does this affect anyone's decision to purchase the Elite?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/02/xbox-360-elite-uses-hdmi-1-2-no-support-for-dolby-truehd/

 

2largeadults

to the 99% of tv owners who DON'T have hdmi capabilities, it make perfect sense...

stop believing everything sony tells you.. please...;)

[QUOTE="AcidTWister"]

Actually? No one's getting screwed without 1.3. Here's an interesting thread I found , while trying my hardest to find a list of 1.3 capable devices. So far, the only thing I found were some HD-DVD/Blu-ray players, and the PS3. Supposedly a receiver is coming out sometime this spring/summer, but no displays yet, that can take advantage of 1.3's ability to produce 1440(i/p) resolution.

 

A little quote from the thread:

This thread will (hopefully) clarify some points on why you don't necessarily need to wait for HDMI 1.3 in an AV receiver.

* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Dolby True HD
* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Dolby Digital Plus
* You don't need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of DTS-HD Master Audio
* While you do need HDMI 1.3 to take advantage of Deep Color, there are no imminent sources for Deep Color
* Sony appears to be releasing xvYCC camcorders and a TV with HDMI 1.3 and xvYCC; I suspect the number of people in the market for this is limited (The TV Sony announced was a 70" LCD that's supposed to cost $30k USD)
* Even if you did want to wait for HDMI 1.3, there are limitations with passing on the bitstream from the player to the AVR
* 1080p is supported in HDMI 1.1; Some receivers simply did not implement it

If you want to take advantage of any of the new "high definition" audio formats encoded in HD DVD or Blu-ray soundtracks, your receiver needs one of two options. It either needs multi-channel analog inputs, or the ability to properly handle multi-channel PCM. Not all receivers with HDMI inputs handle HDMI audio. Some apparently don't handle multi-channel PCM properly. Of those that handle multi-channel PCM, some won't boost the LFE channel by 10Db which is needed for a proper LFE level. Hopefully all newer receiver models advertising HDMI audio handling will properly handle 5.1 PCM for 5-channel models, and 7.1 PCM for 7-channel models.LosDaddie

I think the cows just got owned.

Also, it's so funny to watch cows complain about something they will never use.

yes, they did... they ignored this post the entire time...:lol:

Is the hardware, connection or cable actually physically different from the other connections? Because if not it will probably just get a software update to change how it works just like the 1080p update. I am sure that HD snobs will say that its not the same thing but thats just the kind of stuff that HD snobs always say. Riverwolf007