XBOX 360 "motion controller" looks really unresponsive and inaccurate

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

zytox

I think Sony will remain in last place this whole gen, mostly because of their one year later release. And I think the battle for the casualists is already lost, maybe MS can pick off a few % from Nintendo but nothing serious. Both 360 and PS3 will continue to be aimed more to the hc-crowd, and I will happily use the last-place manufacturers hardware and software if it gives me the best experience.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

I think Sony will remain in last place this whole gen, mostly because of their one year later release. And I think the battle for the casualists is already lost, maybe MS can pick off a few % from Nintendo but nothing serious. Both 360 and PS3 will continue to be aimed more to the hc-crowd, and I will happily use the last-place manufacturers hardware and software if it gives me the best experience.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

I believe both have potential, but i guess we'll see how they fare when released.Solid_Max13

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"] I wasn't aware that you had actually used Natal before. Did it come out already? Did Sony's?Lance_Kalzas

Oh, it's accurate, I never doubted that, but there is noticeable latency (lag). You can see it in the painting demo and clearly in this video. Especially when he does that large kick and dances near the end.

Cool story bro.

In all serious, you're bashing a tech demo for being inaccurate. If that's the best you have natal will own.

It sure as hell looks a lot better than Sonys Harry Potter wand.

Cool story bro.

In all serious, you're bashing a tech demo for being inaccurate. If that's the best you have natal will own.

Vaasman

We'll see. Motion control seemed like a cool idea 4 years ago, but now we've seen where that has taken us. Not that Wii doesn't have any good motion control games, it's just not what I had in mind as far as MOTION CONTROL goes. Not until someone comes out with a killer app. will I think differently about mc.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Cool story bro.

In all serious, you're bashing a tech demo for being inaccurate. If that's the best you have natal will own.

zytox

I mean I've seen office space but...... what?

Based off of the E3 presentation, I'd agree with the responsive part.... Sony's Motion tech was more responsive.... but then again, Nintendo had 3 years to perfect it for them :P

Nah but seriously... I see greater potential with MS's camera.... Sony's, when it becomes a reality, will work quite well.... but will it be supported.... I can't really see THE BIG 3 all going complete motion sensing as a standard.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

lol wut?

I mean I've seen office space but...... what?

zytox

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision.

zytox

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE="zytox"][QUOTE="Vaasman"] Conclusions usually involves a certain degree of thought, but not in your case :-P I will even spell it out for you poor thing; "If that's the best you have natal will own." -> I decide the faith of Natal, horay!Vaasman

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision.

zytox

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE="zytox"][QUOTE="Vaasman"] Conclusions usually involves a certain degree of thought, but not in your case :-P I will even spell it out for you poor thing; "If that's the best you have natal will own." -> I decide the faith of Natal, horay!Vaasman

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision.

zytox

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Says the person who said this about an unreleased product:

[QUOTE="zytox"]

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision.

zytox

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Your quote tags are really messed up, here I fixed them for you. Anyway it is apparent to me that any continued argument here is asinine, so let me just sum up and leave your thread to die a horrible death: Natal looks cool, not amazing, and you are criticizing a demo for not working perfectly. Way to go. Vaasman

It looked pretty decent and responsive from the videos, I mean its got awhile before it comes out. R&D R&D R&D this isnt MS's first BBQ, its not something they can release half-assedly. If any of the companies can pull off a motion camera of that magnitude, its MS. MrGrimFandango

[QUOTE="Vaasman"] Your quote tags are really messed up, here I fixed them for you. Anyway it is apparent to me that any continued argument here is asinine, so let me just sum up and leave your thread to die a horrible death: Natal looks cool, not amazing, and you are criticizing a demo for not working perfectly. Way to go. zytox

It looked pretty decent and responsive from the videos, I mean its got awhile before it comes out. R&D R&D R&D this isnt MS's first BBQ, its not something they can release half-assedly. If any of the companies can pull off a motion camera of that magnitude, its MS. MrGrimFandango

It's no where near finished yet.

It does look like it has some inacuracies, but they have plenty of time to work them out

Natal definitly has a delay regarding fast movements. If you watch any video of the ball game or painting game, you can see the avatar doing movements they player has already completed with faster movement.

Hopefully they will work this out. Even if they don't, it still can provide a unique and new experience

IGN and Gizmodo (who actually tried it out) said that it was very responsive. Gizmodo said it seemed to calculate depth within a couple of centimeters...lhughey

yea even from what i observed it looked like they are going for the casual crowd and it looked inaccurate

[QUOTE="zytox"]

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

iammason

I'm comparing two demos, hence the thread location. Bye bye then. [QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"] It looked pretty decent and responsive from the videos, I mean its got awhile before it comes out. R&D R&D R&D this isnt MS's first BBQ, its not something they can release half-assedly. If any of the companies can pull off a motion camera of that magnitude, its MS. Vaasman

[QUOTE="lhughey"]IGN and Gizmodo (who actually tried it out) said that it was very responsive. Gizmodo said it seemed to calculate depth within a couple of centimeters...amcallisterni

Casual easy controls is what they are going for. Did you not listen to MS? People are Intimidated to play with a controler. If you can move, you can play this "hardcore" game. These games dont have to be casual, the controls HAVE to be!LOXO7

I'm sure MS loves the fact that it has scared the crap out of people with their tech demos. It means they are on the right path.

Natal is only intended for the really casuall gamers who don't need precision. With Sony's motioncontrollers it looked really possible to play an RTS as good as with a mouse, maybe takes a bit more effort but nonetheless. I wish Natal all the luck but the intended audience is not the same as Sony's take on motion controllers. Sony for the hardcore and MS for your grandma.

I'm sure MS loves the fact that it has scared the crap out of people with their tech demos. It means they are on the right path.

heretrix

Who said they were scared? Are you inventing that in your mind?

It doesn't look unresponsive OR inaccurate, and I've watched all the Natal footage there is to see and read most of what journalists have written after testing it. It looks like there's lag within the ballpark of .3 to .5 seconds by my guess, but the movements themselves are spot-on mirrors of the person performing them. Please don't stimulate fan-war disputes. Even system wars needs to have its standards.Brownesque

There is a definite lag, especially with fast movement. Hopefully they can work that out. Otherwise, it would be worthless for FPS, especially on line

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]It doesn't look unresponsive OR inaccurate, and I've watched all the Natal footage there is to see and read most of what journalists have written after testing it. It looks like there's lag within the ballpark of .3 to .5 seconds by my guess, but the movements themselves are spot-on mirrors of the person performing them. Please don't stimulate fan-war disputes. Even system wars needs to have its standards.flazzle

There is a definite lag, especially with fast movement. Hopefully they can work that out. Otherwise, it would be worthless for FPS, especially on line

Come to think of it, on-rails shooters are done better with the Wii remote's IR sensor anyway and the Playstation 3 might be able to compete with its motion controller (although its worthless from a commercial standpoint), assuming it can replicate the IR functionality of the Wiimote. They'd have to add a gun peripheral. Can anyone here imagine the day when we'll have to buy this peripheral so that we can "pretend" to have a steering wheel or a gun in our hands when we could just as well buy a plastic peripheral with basic IR or button functionality and do the same thing with actual, tactile feedback and a real object in our hands?

Can anyone seriously suppose that Natal would be able to replicate Guitar Hero?

It only works as a supplement to a real controller...

I have a hard time thinking of genres that would actually work as full software releases utilizing Natal 100% as its control scheme. Boxing, maybe? But even that would have to be first person, barring any offline multiplayer and forcing one perspective, which might ACTUALLY be nice and certainly would be a big step up from Wii Sports boxing. What else? Golf? Can be easily done with Wii Motion Plus. Tennis? Hell no.

At least we know we can whack at incoming balls (eyeroll) with Natal.

It would be worthless for FPS regardless. The only thing you'd be able to do is an on-rails shooter since there's no way to control movement without a joystick of some kind and obviously no way to simulate turning since any real-world turning would involve turning AWAY FROM THE TELEVISION.Brownesque

Good point. Do you think it would be any good for 3rd person games? Because I'm thinking a controller would be best for that too

Microsoft seems to be on a huge kick about recognizing your emotions. I'd be hyped for that if I didn't look like an expressionless zombie any time I was playing video games.OrwellJames

That made me laugh, but how true! Especialy when playing the same game more than once. I don't think emotion recognization is all that, but maybe something cool can be done. I have a feeling shovelware developers are going to wedge it in by making a character detect your smile and say 'What are you laughing at?' and that's the extent of it.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]It would be worthless for FPS regardless. The only thing you'd be able to do is an on-rails shooter since there's no way to control movement without a joystick of some kind and obviously no way to simulate turning since any real-world turning would involve turning AWAY FROM THE TELEVISION.flazzle

Good point. Do you think it would be any good for 3rd person games? Because I'm thinking a controller would be best for that too

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Lance_Kalzas"] I wasn't aware that you had actually used Natal before. Did it come out already? Did Sony's?Lance_Kalzas

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I'm sure MS loves the fact that it has scared the crap out of people with their tech demos. It means they are on the right path.

flazzle

Who said they were scared? Are you inventing that in your mind?