Xbox Live, give it a break

Alright I don't post much on here, but I listen enough to everyone else. Everyone is saying that xbox live is a rip off at $50 a year and are complaining. That's less then 5 dollars a month to play online obviously and not even comparing PSN or Wii $5 a month to play great games online isn't alot, and I'm a poor college student living paycheck to paycheck. If I think it's great PSN is free, if I had a PS3 I think it's a great value, but $5 a month is hardly a dent on my Beer tab. And stop asking for a refund when it does't work like 3 times a year, it happens, nothing is perfect. Something is wrong if you buy a $350 console $60 dollar games and can't shell out $5 a month to play online, bring back empties Once a month and there is the fee.

I don't think people complain about Xbox Live being expensive, it's not. People complain because there is no justifiable reason as to why they charge. Some people say it's because if I wanted to, I could play a Perfect Dark Zero game online right now, while in a few months you might not be able to play Resistance. It could be because of all the content they release. It could also just be Microsoft wanting to make more money.

It's the only online service asking for money. Therefore, should it not by default be the best, most reliable service? Should lag be non-existant? Should down-time be unacceptable, and money refunded when it is unavoidable?

I'd give it a break if i weren't paying for it and already unsure of what that money is even paying for.

lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.Sully28

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

I hate all the FF fanboys on here or people who just are OMGZ!!! JRPG PWNZ ALL!!! But there is nothing I can do about it, just like there is nothing that can be done about this. To each their own bud, that is how the world is.neogeo419

What does this have to do with Xbox live?

[QUOTE="neogeo419"]I hate all the FF fanboys on here or people who just are OMGZ!!! JRPG PWNZ ALL!!! But there is nothing I can do about it, just like there is nothing that can be done about this. To each their own bud, that is how the world is.Duo75

What does this have to do with Xbox live?

It's the only online service asking for money. Therefore, should it not by default be the best, most reliable service? Should lag be non-existant? Should down-time be unacceptable, and money refunded when it is unavoidable?

I'd give it a break if i weren't paying for it and already unsure of what that money is even paying for.

Ninja-Vox

It's paying off Xbox 1's debts.

lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.Sully28

I have to agree with you on this. I really don't see anything that's worth while to have to pay extra after buying a console and paying top dollar for games. The main thing is it's not the very very small amount of money, but it's the whole principal of the fees M$ charges.

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.Ninja-Vox

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

MOST of the themes on live you are forced to pay for

when we pay 60$ a game plus tax we should not have to pay to play end of story. We should not have to pay for what comes into the game.deadmeat59

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.Duo75

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

MOST of the themes on live you are forced to pay for

[QUOTE="Duo75"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.HellRazer360

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

MOST of the themes on live you are forced to pay for

Your forced to pay to play with friends... which is free verywhere else.

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.Ninja-Vox

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

[QUOTE="Duo75"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.HellRazer360

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

MOST of the themes on live you are forced to pay for

And yea I do agree that PSN is a good deal, how can you complain about free right? And I am 360 all the way, but I agree PSN being free is a pretty sweet value, no matter what it includes and Whatever features are available it's a good deal. I'm pretty content though that $50 a year isn't bad.

[QUOTE="HellRazer360"][QUOTE="Duo75"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.Meu2k7

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

MOST of the themes on live you are forced to pay for

Your forced to pay to play with friends... which is free verywhere else.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.ICollegeStudent

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

[QUOTE="Duo75"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Sully28"]lol it is pretty sad that the network got screwed up for a few days while PSN got screwed up for 1 day and was fixed. Your paying to play games, download movies, demos, and themes. Also things like ingame menus. PS3 has the demo part, the playing games online part, and themes all for free. Is soon getting in game XMB, a video sharing service(play tv? whats it called again), and home. IMO im glad i bought my ps3 over 360 even if i had to wait a little for it to be as good, because i am enjoying it alot more than i would have a 360.HellRazer360

The 360 also has the demos, themes, downloads yadda yadda for free. You only pay to play online. Everything else is free. Sorry to shoot you down, you just seemed to have bad information.

MOST of the themes on live you are forced to pay for

Honestly I think comparing the services can be stupid sometimes since they all follow a different protocol, and were created differently. With PC gaming anyone can host a server, even the player. Sony allows the developers to host their own servers, while Microsoft offers assistance. But yes...there are things on Live I do not buy simply because it's a rip off. Themes are stupid unless they're free; it's astupid picture(PNG, JPG, GIF, whatever).

What I believe is $50 isn't a ripoff, it's actually a decent deal but what lemmings need to admit is that PSN is a very decent service. Especially for free. And some of the features you get with the $50 live people might not necissarily need to have a great online experiance... munu9

I'll admit to that. I don't own a PS3 yet, But what Sony plans on bringing to the PSN sounds interesting. I like the idea that I can still play Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge online even if only 7 people still play it. And games on Sony's platform that have a online component are only going to be alive as long as there's a sizeable player base sometimes. God. A couple of my friends and I still play Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II with the SBX mod online together, and that game released a long time ago on the PC it seems. Sony does have a good online network.

I enjoy it and find it a fantastic value.Heil68

What is included in the value that cant be done for free? or rather, ISNT done for free already?

All I want to do is play Halo, But I cant sign on to live so im wasting my time here in SW.

my favrite onlin experience so far was provided y Nintendo. Strikers, IMHO was pretty awesome.

d:^)

EDIT: Fixe dspelling error.

EDIT2: Added hat.

[QUOTE="neogeo419"]I hate all the FF fanboys on here or people who just are OMGZ!!! JRPG PWNZ ALL!!! But there is nothing I can do about it, just like there is nothing that can be done about this. To each their own bud, that is how the world is.Duo75

What does this have to do with Xbox live?

He is refrenceing another argument to show how pointless this one is to start.

Alright I don't post much on here, but I listen enough to everyone else. Everyone is saying that xbox live is a rip off at $50 a year and are complaining. That's less then 5 dollars a month to play online obviously and not even comparing PSN or Wii $5 a month to play great games online isn't alot, and I'm a poor college student living paycheck to paycheck. If I think it's great PSN is free, if I had a PS3 I think it's a great value, but $5 a month is hardly a dent on my Beer tab. And stop asking for a refund when it does't work like 3 times a year, it happens, nothing is perfect. Something is wrong if you buy a $350 console $60 dollar games and can't shell out $5 a month to play online, bring back empties Once a month and there is the fee.

steeve19nacho

That was really funny. lol

Xbox live is paid for Yearly as well people...not monthly. You can break up the price into monthly fees but the fact remains that it still is only charged by the year. So, no, it's not a monthly fee and stop quoting it as one.

[QUOTE="munu9"]What I believe is $50 isn't a ripoff, it's actually a decent deal but what lemmings need to admit is that PSN is a very decent service. Especially for free. And some of the features you get with the $50 live people might not necissarily need to have a great online experiance... NeoGen85

I'll admit to that. I don't own a PS3 yet, But what Sony plans on bringing to the PSN sounds interesting. I like the idea that I can still play Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge online even if only 7 people still play it. And games on Sony's platform that have a online component are only going to be alive as long as there's a sizeable player base sometimes. God. A couple of my friends and I still play Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II with the SBX mod online together, and that game released a long time ago on the PC it seems. Sony does have a good online network.

As long as someone owns a server for the game, then you should be able to play it on PSN. And well..if it doesn't have anymore servers (like ricochet...if u havent heard it...thats why) then it doesnt have one for a good reason.

I also don't like paying for Xbox Live...

I only have a couple months left on my subscription and I want to cancel it so that I do not get charged another $50 come renew time.

Anyone know of a method besides calling them...? I hate talking to people... Or perhaps if you HAVE called them what did you need to do?

You think with that 50 bucks a year they could keep Xbox live going during the holidays.

Thanks microsoft.