Xbox NBA 2K11 better than PS3 NBA 2k11 (lens of truth)

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#1 crusadernm
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Higher resolution. More detail.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/?p=22758

It's awesome how you can see the reflection in the court with the 360 version. Not so much with PS3.

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#2 DroidPhysX
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Hold on! 360 multiplat is better? Shocking news :P

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#3 crusadernm
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Hold on! 360 multiplat is better? Shocking news :P

DroidPhysX

This is good info for people who have multiple systems and need to choose.

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#4 PSP107
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Its really sad sports games this gen wasn't design around PS3 like PS1 and PS2 before it. Thats why sports games this gen are average- horrible.
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#5 J-WOW
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Who cares?
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#6 crusadernm
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Who cares? J-WOW

System wars cares.

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#7 crusadernm
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Its really sad sports games this gen wasn't design around PS3 like PS1 and PS2 before it. Thats why sports games this gen are average- horrible.PSP107

NBA 2K11 is getting crazy awesome scores bro.

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#8 FragTycoon
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Do people still believe these guys?

anyone willing to call out the over brightening they do or just me?

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#9 crusadernm
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Do people still believe these guys?

anyone willing to call out the over brightening they do or just me?

FragTycoon

Look at their methods man. Pretty technical and thorough.

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#10 Locutus_Picard
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Missing reflections in a game could be a dealbreaker youknow :roll:

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#11 crusadernm
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Missing reflections in a game could be a dealbreaker youknow :roll:

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I'm all for realism man. Ever gone to an NBA game. The court reflects light.

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#12 sergemyster8
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Man the reflections make it look a lot better

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#13 crusadernm
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Man the reflections make it look a lot better

sergemyster8

Plus the 360 pulls off better textures and resolution. I don't think the PS3 has the power to pull off those graphical feats to be honest.

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#14 majadamus
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The X Box 360 version isn't that much better.
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#15 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="sergemyster8"]

Man the reflections make it look a lot better

crusadernm

Plus the 360 pulls off better textures and resolution. I don't think the PS3 has the power to pull off those graphical feats to be honest.

I lol'd so hard. You keep enjoying your shiny. I'll be enjoying moving art.
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[QUOTE="sergemyster8"]

Man the reflections make it look a lot better

crusadernm

Plus the 360 pulls off better textures and resolution. I don't think the PS3 has the power to pull off those graphical feats to be honest.

.....ugh....Lets see....UC2 "console" graphics king no? End of story.... :?
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I played both versions of the demo at least 20 times each. The 360 version looks alot better. They seem to run about the same, but the xbox has better lighting and textures. When I played the PS3 version I was like, "ok this games looks pretty good. not as amazing as everyone says. Then I tried the 360 version a week later and was blown away.

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#18 Fizzman
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I never buy multiplats on the ps3 and this is just another game that will be purchased on the 360.

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#19 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

[QUOTE="sergemyster8"]

Man the reflections make it look a lot better

killa4lyfe

Plus the 360 pulls off better textures and resolution. I don't think the PS3 has the power to pull off those graphical feats to be honest.

.....ugh....Lets see....UC2 "console" graphics king no? End of story.... :?

I'm convinced Uncharted 2 would look even better on 360 since almost all multiplatform games look better on 360, but that's just my opinion.

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#20 Locutus_Picard
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I never buy multiplats on the ps3 and this is just another game that will be purchased on the 360.

Fizzman
360; It only does multi-plat? The mean green multiplat machine? :P
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#21 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Do people still believe these guys?

anyone willing to call out the over brightening they do or just me?

crusadernm

Look at their methods man. Pretty technical and thorough.

Except they apparently don't know how to tweak the settings of their TVs connected to their PS3s.
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#22 killa4lyfe
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"][QUOTE="crusadernm"]

Plus the 360 pulls off better textures and resolution. I don't think the PS3 has the power to pull off those graphical feats to be honest.

crusadernm

.....ugh....Lets see....UC2 "console" graphics king no? End of story.... :?

I'm convinced Uncharted 2 would look even better on 360 since almost all multiplatform games look better on 360, but that's just my opinion.

Ofcourse it will.....just like MGS 4......and every other PS3 exclusive....AMIRITE?! WHAT DO I WIN?:o
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#23 LegatoSkyheart
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So.....Graphics mean everything still right?

anyway, it looks like the PS3 version is more lighter.

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#24 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I never buy multiplats on the ps3 and this is just another game that will be purchased on the 360.

Locutus_Picard

360; It only does multi-plat? The mean green multiplat machine? :P

360 has more exclusives than PS3.

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#25 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"][QUOTE="crusadernm"]

Plus the 360 pulls off better textures and resolution. I don't think the PS3 has the power to pull off those graphical feats to be honest.

crusadernm

.....ugh....Lets see....UC2 "console" graphics king no? End of story.... :?

I'm convinced Uncharted 2 would look even better on 360 since almost all multiplatform games look better on 360, but that's just my opinion.

Maybe they should first release an exclusive that looks better and then we could talk.
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#26 crusadernm
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So.....Graphics mean everything still right?

anyway, it looks like the PS3 version is more lighter.

LegatoSkyheart

There is sort of a blurriness with all PS3 multiplatform games since these comparisons were made this gen. I don't know what it is?

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#27 PSP107
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[QUOTE="PSP107"]Its really sad sports games this gen wasn't design around PS3 like PS1 and PS2 before it. Thats why sports games this gen are average- horrible.crusadernm

NBA 2K11 is getting crazy awesome scores bro.

I dont take review scores seriously.
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#28 FragTycoon
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[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Do people still believe these guys?

anyone willing to call out the over brightening they do or just me?

crusadernm

Look at their methods man. Pretty technical and thorough.

Ahh OK they don't control brightness settings and use 720p.

Clears allot up... basically their comparison is pointless for my system. (and allot of other people)

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#29 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"] .....ugh....Lets see....UC2 "console" graphics king no? End of story.... :?kuraimen

I'm convinced Uncharted 2 would look even better on 360 since almost all multiplatform games look better on 360, but that's just my opinion.

Maybe they should first release an exclusive that looks better and then we could talk.

Sorry there's no scientific way to compare. You're just going by opinion at that point. I'm a scientist. Comparison two different exclusives on two different platforms isnt scientific. You need to keep variables the same.

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#30 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

So.....Graphics mean everything still right?

anyway, it looks like the PS3 version is more lighter.

crusadernm

There is sort of a blurriness with all PS3 multiplatform games since these comparisons were made this gen. I don't know what it is?

Blurriness?

I see no Blurs in those NBA 2K11 screens.

Just Jags.

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#31 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Do people still believe these guys?

anyone willing to call out the over brightening they do or just me?

FragTycoon

Look at their methods man. Pretty technical and thorough.

Ahh OK they don't control brightness settings and use 720p.

Clears allot up... basically their comparison is pointless for my system. (and allot of other people)

Don't let bias cloud your thoughts. See the facts only. Only thing to tell you.

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#32 kuraimen
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I'm a scientist. crusadernm
Sure you are :|... :lol:
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I played both versions of the demo at least 20 times each. The 360 version looks alot better. They seem to run about the same, but the xbox has better lighting and textures. When I played the PS3 version I was like, "ok this games looks pretty good. not as amazing as everyone says. Then I tried the 360 version a week later and was blown away.

SuprmanLuvHandl

Even though the 360 version is noticeably better, and you wouldn't need side-by-side comparisons to see that, I don't see how you would go from thinking it looks pretty good on the PS3 version to amazing on the 360... It's really not that big, even with the jaggies and reflections. Unless the game runs smoother on the 360, it really won't matter to most people. It comes down to what system you'd like to play the online multiplayer.

I never buy multiplats on the ps3 and this is just another game that will be purchased on the 360.

Fizzman

Why do you even own a PS3? Everything you post about it is negative.

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#34 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Do people still believe these guys?

anyone willing to call out the over brightening they do or just me?

kuraimen

Look at their methods man. Pretty technical and thorough.

Except they apparently don't know how to tweak the settings of their TVs connected to their PS3s.

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#35 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="SuprmanLuvHandl"]

I played both versions of the demo at least 20 times each. The 360 version looks alot better. They seem to run about the same, but the xbox has better lighting and textures. When I played the PS3 version I was like, "ok this games looks pretty good. not as amazing as everyone says. Then I tried the 360 version a week later and was blown away.

RogueShodown

Even though the 360 version is noticeably better, and you wouldn't need side-by-side comparisons to see that, I don't see how you would go from thinking it looks pretty good on the PS3 version to amazing on the 360... It's really not that big, even with the jaggies and reflections. Unless the game runs smoother on the 360, it really won't matter to most people. It comes down to what system you'd like to play the online multiplayer.

I never buy multiplats on the ps3 and this is just another game that will be purchased on the 360.

Fizzman

Why do you even own a PS3? Everything you post about it is negative.

I enjoy the system for its exclusive SP games. I rip on the 360 too btw. Im primarily a PC gamer though. I enjoy the best its why i always buy MP games on the 360 if they aren't available on the PC.

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#36 LucidJubilation
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wow, again??? i mean this is a big time difference by looking at those screens. i'd never buy a multiplat for the PS Cripple, free online or not. i wonder if Cowspot with take off 5 points for this game like they did Dragon Age. because the difference in versions is drastic.

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Its really sad sports games this gen wasn't design around PS3 like PS1 and PS2 before it. Thats why sports games this gen are average- horrible.PSP107

uh....this game just scored a ((9.5)) on ign.com chief. nothing horrible about it. i'd be pissed if ionly had a ps3. all cows can say is "i don't care" even though they do or should.

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#38 bphan
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I love digital foundry and lens of truth. I trust these guys than anonymous internet posters any day.

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#39 LucidJubilation
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Who cares? J-WOW

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#40 lbjkurono23
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DAT jaggies... but seriously there isn't enough difference to make me switch from the ps3 version :P. ps: Alien kobe is looking better than ever :lol:... why can't they get him right :P

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#41 coasterguy65
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Lazy developers strike again. ;)

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#42 bphan
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Lazy developers strike again. ;)

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lol. I've always hated that excuse.

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#43 SuprmanLuvHandl
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[QUOTE="SuprmanLuvHandl"]

I played both versions of the demo at least 20 times each. The 360 version looks alot better. They seem to run about the same, but the xbox has better lighting and textures. When I played the PS3 version I was like, "ok this games looks pretty good. not as amazing as everyone says. Then I tried the 360 version a week later and was blown away.

RogueShodown

Even though the 360 version is noticeably better, and you wouldn't need side-by-side comparisons to see that, I don't see how you would go from thinking it looks pretty good on the PS3 version to amazing on the 360... It's really not that big, even with the jaggies and reflections. Unless the game runs smoother on the 360, it really won't matter to most people. It comes down to what system you'd like to play the online multiplayer.

I never buy multiplats on the ps3 and this is just another game that will be purchased on the 360.

Fizzman

Why do you even own a PS3? Everything you post about it is negative.

I've been playing NBA 2k9 on my ps3 for the last 2 years, so I tried the ps3 version of the demo first. Obviously the gameplay of 2k11 was better than 2k9, but I wasn't that impressed with its graphics. It was filled with jaggies just like my 2k9 ps3 game, and the overall look of the game wasn't that much of an improvement imo. Still, the improvements on gameplay alone nearly sold me on the PS3 version. Then I tried out the 360 version and I really was blown away by it. The reflection of the floor, the amount of detail on the players, and no jaggies (at least not as visible as the ps3 version). The difference between the 2 versions is alot more visible in motion than it is in screenshots.

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#44 XboximusPrime
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I thought it was already well documented that 2K dosent know what the hell they are doing when it comes to multiplatform development?

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#45 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Hold on! 360 multiplat is better? Shocking news :P

crusadernm

This is good info for people who have multiple systems and need to choose.

If someone has multiple systems I doubt their deciding factor is minor graphical upgrade.
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#46 FragTycoon
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Lazy developers strike again. ;)

coasterguy65

What's funny is they probably spend tons of money making sure they are the same just to have some half --- webiste come along and use a 720p capture with no brightness settings.

or perhaps the opposite is true, perhaps a console that runs GoW 3, KZ2 and U2cant handle the awesomeness that is a basketball game.

What sounds more likely to you?

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#47 jimmypsn
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[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

Lazy developers strike again. ;)

bphan

lol. I've always hated that excuse.

But its true. PS3 is two times more powerful than Xbox, so it must be the lazy developers. Sony released a chart stating that PS3 can output 2 times the teraflops than the 360 making it twice as powerful. Just wait in a few years, PS3 games are gonna looks even more awesome and rivaling PC.
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#48 LordQuorthon
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A few decades from now, when people ask me what was wrong with this generation of video game consoles, I'll tell them that there was a website dedicated to find tiny graphical differences on multiplatform games between two relatively even consoles in terms of horsepower.

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#49 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

Lazy developers strike again. ;)

jimmypsn

lol. I've always hated that excuse.

But its true. PS3 is two times more powerful than Xbox, so it must be the lazy developers. Sony released a chart stating that PS3 can output 2 times the teraflops than the 360 making it twice as powerful. Just wait in a few years, PS3 games are gonna looks even more awesome and rivaling PC.

PC always beats 2005 hardware:|

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#50 XboximusPrime
Member since 2009 • 5405 Posts

[QUOTE="bphan"]

[QUOTE="coasterguy65"]

Lazy developers strike again. ;)

jimmypsn

lol. I've always hated that excuse.

But its true. PS3 is two times more powerful than Xbox, so it must be the lazy developers. Sony released a chart stating that PS3 can output 2 times the teraflops than the 360 making it twice as powerful. Just wait in a few years, PS3 games are gonna looks even more awesome and rivaling PC.

Yes, lets believe SONY. Theyve never overhyped hardware before, have they?