Xbox One BC list revealed?

http://www.icxm.net/x/back-combat-nov-12-coming.html

There you go. Some good on there, so not so good on there. Some good not on there. Alan Wake is nice, no American Nightmare isn't. They have Mass Effect and Dead Space but what's the point if there's no sequels. They have Geometry Wars but no Retro Evolved 2. No Red Dead Redemption, they've Child of Eden but no Rez HD. Bayonetta but no Vanquish. No From Dust. No Catherine. No Deadly Premonition. Civilization Revolutions is nice. I probably won't care about Just Cause 2 with Just Cause 3 around the corner but that's nice too. Major Nelson also leaked Mirror's Edge as coming too. Anyhow, mostly just speculation I believe.

That aside, complaining about what we're getting, what we're not getting, might be a bit premature, let's make sure the BC emulation isn't riddled with game crippling issues first.

Halo reach and halo wars is all I need. I like going back and playing the halo games once in a while

ctrf+F - Ninja Gaiden

Son of a bitch.

Umm.... Where the **** is dishonored? WHERE?!? I thought it was going to be BC? :(

Dang thats a lot. Im hoping the list is fake and that they got Red Dead Redemption to work though.

What i would do, is wait like a month before the new one comes out and be like, "New Dishonored is coming soon, but while you wait, here is the old one to play." Would make good PR.

Halo Reach is something I'd prefer to see what they can do by adding it to the MCC, I mean they pretty much have everything there but Reach I hope they reconsider, ODST made for the XBO was bomb.

Well, I'm hoping that gets a cheap flash sale deal, I'd prefer playing the XBO port at this point anyways. Maybe it'll even be a GwG game before the sequel comes out.

I know right, unless Rockstar is planning on doing a Red Dead Redemption HD and selling it for $60 they should just put it up on BC. LA Noire for that matter too.

Good too see Bioshock 1 & Infinite on there... they were on my most wanted list. Just missing Orange Box, Red Dead & GTA San Andreas now.

For a feature that apparently takes no real effort to do, that's a pretty short ass list.

I would rebuild a 360 collection of some sort if it gained some traction, but it would have to get to the point where it's more likely for a game to work than not.

actually, if they put Dark Athena from Xbox 360 on Xbox One, I believe it released with a remake of Butcher Bay to go along with it... now it's just a matter of whether they put Dark Athena on the BC list, but it was published by Atari so fat chance, guess that means we probably can't expect them to allow for Ghostbusters to go BC either, they can't even bring themselves to put their arcade classics up for distribution anymore, all they can do is prevent TxK from getting published and that's about it

Notice there are no R* games? It isn't so much getting the game to work as it is the publisher allowing it to go BC

@darkspineslayer: sure, it takes no effort...

it's really just gathering permission to make it available to Xbox One gamers, it's not like they have to individually port these over to the Xbox One

They probably still have to check through all the games one by one.

No big deal for me though. My 360 is sitting right next to it.

The BC has minor input lag, you almost certainly don't want to play Ninja Gaiden like that.

Cool beans though RDR would be nice.

Interesting, though I'm bummed for the lack of RDR and L.A. Noire....would have been nice to see SoTN in there too. I'm a little disappointed with the lack of XBLA titles, those would be perfect for BC as they are all digital and would simply appear in your ready to install list.....not to mention I have a lot of favorites from XBLA. Otherwise, decent list, too busy enjoying Halo 5 now too care that much honestly, but thanks for the info.

@charizard1605: First time I hear of this, certainly wasn't perceptible in the BC games I've played like Perfect Dark felt exactly like I remembered it on the N64

Ugh imma have to buy a new Ninja Gaiden machine, the alternative is settling for Sigma games chaz. Sigma games.

Dark Souls, Super Meat Boy, Blood Dragon.

Noice.

I hope that nfs most wanted is the 2005 game. I really want to replay that

I wonder why Call of Duty titles are not included. That would be a huge boon for Microsoft. I hope Activision isn't planning something sneaky with some kind of HD re-release. That would be foul.

No COD no GTA... lol Biggest freaking failure ever.

Okay, it turns out it's not active lag, but rather other issues with the performance (stuttering, aliasing, screen tearing, etc). Which... still make it a less than optimal experience for @champ

You're basing this on nothing but conjecture, you literally have zero knowledge on the intricacies of what it takes and does not take to make this and/or a game work.

It's something Microsoft themselves said multiple times when they announced the feature. He's basing that on what Microsoft said, and he even added the word apparently to indicate he was just going by what he had heard.

You're right. In other words: Microsoft was making it look a lot easier than it seems.

Were they? Maybe it actually is easy, and the issue is either apathy from publishers, or actual rights problems, like with games like Marvel vs Capcom.

No, Microsoft said 'We just need permission from the license holders to add a game to the backward compatibility catalog, there's nothing else needed from them'. They never once went into the details of how it works, how making a game function in the VOS works, nothing.

And they made it sound like getting the okay was all that was necessary, and then a game was good to go, thanks to a universal emulator skin.

The question is not was that true or not, the question is, if they said that, why is the list so paltry? What good is BC even for, if in any randomly picked sample of games, chances are not one of them will work?

See, you're assuming it's a universal emulator skin, there could be levels of programming involved, we don't know, no one knows.

@nyadc: I agree. But I am then calling them up on making it sound like it was easy, and hundreds of games would be on the service soon. As I said- what good is BC even for, if in any randomly picked sample of games, chances are not one of them will work?

This list would be a lot bigger if it was solely apathy and rights problems (not saying that those don't factor in)

I think emulation is a lot of hard work. And you can't just emulate 100% (even if you did said in your previous thread that Wii U did it/and Wii). But WiiU was hardware based emulation right ? Like the PS2 emulation on the PS3 ?

Making a 360 game think it's running on a 360, while it's running on a Xbox One, will make it run into a lot of problems. Emulation has always been like that. MS made it seem easy, but it's not. They are bigger experts than me, for sure ! But it was marketing speech :)

Wii U is not emulation, it includes the actual Wii hardware in it, and runs the games natively. The same as 3DS with DS and GBA, the DS with GBA, the GBA with GBC and GB, and the GBC with GB. Also the same as PS3 with PS2 (back when that was a thing), yes.

I agree emulation is hard- but then why the false advertising?

At the very least, I laud them for living up to the promise of 100 games at launch (that is 100 games up there, right?), but I mean... where are they going with this, exactly?

They are going the 360 route I guess, they just keep adding games until they stop one day.

And I agree with the rest of what you said. I really do appreciate these games. I will definitely use the BC feature.

I think it's called "Hardware emulation" and "software emulation". But you are right: it does have the hardware in it (or a chip)

Hardware emulation works flawlessly most times. Software emulation takes a lot more work, and sometimes there are game to game glitches/Problems.

No emulation is ever perfect or can run the entire library 100% (maybe the best emulators on really strong PCs ? dunno even then perhaps 99.99%)

Pfffft just thinking about how games are programmed and running on these hardwarez makes my brain hurt xD

No Fallout New Vegas? I wanted to play it before Fallout 4 :(

guess i'll buy an Xbox 360.

Wow, that list is pathetic. It's even missing Microsoft-published games like Crackdown and Lost Odyssey.

You are right about emulation lol. Did you know that nothing short of the world's strongest supercomputer currently can emulate an SNES with 100% accuracy? By this I mean that the SNES as it was cannot be translated to software unless you have an insanely strong computer to run it (most software SNES emulators are either not 100% accurate, or use shortcuts and tricks to achieve the illusion of 100% accuracy, which is functionally the same thing).

A SNES game is meant to run on an SNES. It's just programmed that way. And any variation in hardware will make glitches and strange things happen. Because software :p

So 100 decently working games ? Yes please :)

It's great we can talk about emulation on Gamespot. I think emulation is a great way to preserve some of the best things in the history of video games.

I wanted to play SNES games on the PSP. So I followed the development of emulators a lot for that. Got a lot of insight. The genesis one got really far, SNES one was decent. But not perfect xD

Best thing of all: there was a wrapper (like MS is making for Xbox 360 emulation on Xbox one) for the PSP that made it possible to play PS1 games.

Sony used that wrapper for like a dozen, maybe 20 PS1 games or so. If you had a hacked PSP, you could use that wrapper to play like 50% of the PS1 library. In other words: pretty interesting stuff indeed ^^

You do know that more games are going to be added in the future.

What i know is that 2 of the most popular series on xbox 360 don't work not even a single chapter of COD which make me wonder if it is a question of hardware or a question of Activision saying hell not you will not add them to backward compatibility..lol

Basically you are betting everything on promise which mean little when you are losing.

Those games and Fable 2. I'm all set! :D

Eh I have a 360.....I can play all those and more.

good for you, then why even post in a thread about xbox one's backwards compatibility and contribute nothing to the thread? need to pad that post count that badly?

Lost Odyssey was the first game I looked for. Epic fail.

You're just a jelly cow.

muhaha

A lot of publishers aren't signed up for Xbone BC including big names like Rockstar and Konami.

Wii U has Wii's hardware blocks e.g. old GPU, hence Nintendo traded chip area space for BC against potential compute power new workloads. Shiota has commented that the actual amount of GPU logic dedicated purely to Wii BC is round 5-10% of chip area space from Wii U's 146.48 mm^2 main chip area.

For reference, Radeon HD 4770 (640stream processors, 8 CU) has chip area size of 137 mm^2 i.e. Nintendo wasted about half of Wii U's IGP chip area space for 32 MB EDRAM and BC.

@SolidTy: If those publishers want to be anti-consumer, then that is their right and there is nothing Microsoft can do about that. There is no excuse for Microsoft not including all of their own games, though.