Yeah, it's better. Less pop-in, cutscene stutter is reduced. I'm just back into playing Mass Effect again. Not every game has positive things like that happen though.
Yeah, it's better. Less pop-in, cutscene stutter is reduced. I'm just back into playing Mass Effect again. Not every game has positive things like that happen though.
Digitalfoundry did an article on it.
But it's cool that it's a thing now.
I noticed the cutscenes did look and perform better. They need to work on gameplay performance next.
I noticed the cutscenes did look and perform better. They need to work on gameplay performance next.
I mean, it's still emulation. I doubt they'll go as far as make the games run better or making sure that they run at solid 30FPS. I'm glad with the little things that are improved, but I won't exactly be bummed out if those games still run and look like they did on Xbox360.
@bobrossperm: A PC could run that just fine. It's just reverse engineering everything you need is an extremely daunting task. Microsoft has been working with emulators for years and they have all of the tech and design that they need. They know exactly how the Xbox 360 ran and how to emulate it.
The hilarious thing is that the Xbox One uses a x86 CPU on Windows 10. So technically any PC with specs equal or greater than the Xbox One could run that emulator. They are just never going to release it.
@bobrossperm: A PC could run that just fine. It's just reverse engineering everything you need is an extremely daunting task. Microsoft has been working with emulators for years and they have all of the tech and design that they need. They know exactly how the Xbox 360 ran and how to emulate it.
The hilarious thing is that the Xbox One uses a x86 CPU on Windows 10. So technically any PC with specs equal or greater than the Xbox One could run that emulator. They are just never going to release it.
The feat is that nobody has been able to emulate anything more complex than the Wii on PC and that requires CPU power well beyond what the Xbox One has. They done the 360 on a 1.6GHz APU. It's no easy feat, they said it was excruciating for the engineers to get games running at a playavle framerate.
@bobrossperm: 3rd party people do not have all of the technical design or the codebase to build an emulator like a 1st party company does. It's Microsoft's own hardware. They know it and they know how to port it.
Those 3rd party teams do not have that. They have to literally reverse engineer everything. They are all doing it on their free time and are not being paid for it. There are no experts working for them. They hack together the emulators from every scrape of knowledge they can dredge up on the internet. It's really not an easy task.
It's impressive for Microsoft, but don't be knocking 3rd parties because they have yet to do it. They work for free in their spare time reverse engineering something. Microsoft gave all of the information and code to a team of dedicated Microsoft engineers. It's not a fair comparison at all.
@bobrossperm: A PC could run that just fine. It's just reverse engineering everything you need is an extremely daunting task. Microsoft has been working with emulators for years and they have all of the tech and design that they need. They know exactly how the Xbox 360 ran and how to emulate it.
The hilarious thing is that the Xbox One uses a x86 CPU on Windows 10. So technically any PC with specs equal or greater than the Xbox One could run that emulator. They are just never going to release it.
The feat is that nobody has been able to emulate anything more complex than the Wii on PC and that requires CPU power well beyond what the Xbox One has. They done the 360 on a 1.6GHz APU. It's no easy feat, they said it was excruciating for the engineers to get games running at a playavle framerate.
But that is exactly what Wasdie said. The only reason you don't see more advanced emulation on PC is because the code gets more complex with every generation. Even since PS emulation people had great problems with emulation. Leaks of code is what has been crucial in the PC emulation scene since those times, that's why PS2 emulation took a lot more effort than PS. PS code got leaked by truckloads while PS2 code just got scraps of leaks. For the manufacturers it's an easier task to emulate since they have a truckload of available info at their disposal of what is happening when a game is running, they just have to put the interest to research it and make something out of it.
Cows still salty about having to rebuy their PS3 games.
Awesome to hear beta working well.
Why do we have to rebuy any games if we have the PS3? What is wrong to have both PS3, PS4 and other systems all connect to your TV?
Truly, nothing at all. I have 2 PS3's. An 80 gig BC one and a 250 gig with my digital games on them. Then I have my PS4 in my basement studio, and right up stairs in my uncle's living room, on a 60 inch HDTV my x1. Love having the basement studio here now for $500 a month. (couldn't resist celebrating LOL) But I like not needing to hook up another console soon to play many 360 games. Its great. There is nothing wrong with having more than one console as there wasn't anything wrong with swapping discs last gen but some fanboys made it out to be such a massive win. Its the same thing here. Its convenience.
Cows still salty about having to rebuy their PS3 games.
Awesome to hear beta working well.
Why do i need to rebuy PS3 games.? I have a PS3...lol
Yeah it is working so well that ME drops to 10FPS and becomes basically unplayable...lol
@WilliamRLBaker said:
So....
Cut scene frame rate, Loading times, texture pop in=all improved
Gameplay frame rate=increased.
I wonder what will happen when they officially remove this from beta and release it to the public during the holidays?
Did you read DF article.? Mass Effect drops into the 10 FPS making the game unplayable basically..lol
Don't ditch your 360 from your cave just yet williams..
I believe that is the reason BC is in beta right now. To tinker and fix issues they run into. Spencer said that is why it full rolled out until November on the day one interview on X1 E3 coverage. Dude I get it, reall I do. You hate MS and Xbox. Nobody here believes for 1 second that if this was a PS4 announcement, you wouldn't be hyping and calling ownage, Sony doesn't nickel and dime gamers blah, blah. Its so obvious.
@bobrossperm: A PC could run that just fine. It's just reverse engineering everything you need is an extremely daunting task. Microsoft has been working with emulators for years and they have all of the tech and design that they need. They know exactly how the Xbox 360 ran and how to emulate it.
The hilarious thing is that the Xbox One uses a x86 CPU on Windows 10. So technically any PC with specs equal or greater than the Xbox One could run that emulator. They are just never going to release it.
The feat is that nobody has been able to emulate anything more complex than the Wii on PC and that requires CPU power well beyond what the Xbox One has. They done the 360 on a 1.6GHz APU. It's no easy feat, they said it was excruciating for the engineers to get games running at a playavle framerate.
Thats because they have access to all the code and stuff that would make emulation easy. Us mere mortals have to as Wasdie said reverse engineer everything which is much harder and doesn't always work. Sony didn't even bother with software emulation on the first gen PS3's, they just stuck the guts of a PS2 in there!
I always thought the framerate of the first Mass Effect was already kind of sluggish and spotty so this is a bad game to do a test like this with. I've got some hiccups here and there with Toy Soldiers but only in the menus, the actual gameplay is solid.
2. The fact they manage to emulate a tri-core 3ghz powerpc CPU on a 1,7ghz tablet Cpu its quite impressive
Why release or show a game with known issues with frame rate then?
It sounded too good to be true and it looks like it is. There is only so much you can do with CPU emulation, I'm surprised they have got it working as well as they have. Apples attempt ant PPC emulation was dire when they transitioned from PPC to x86.
MS will continue improving performance (At least we hope)
PS3 emulation for PC requires a 8 to 16 core powerful Intel CPU read that shit like several years ago from a emu site .. Not sure if it still applies today.
BC is cool in limited circumstances, mostly for more niche games that were console exclusive or 360 exclusive. I have a decent digital library of 360 games that I hope are added to the backwards compatibility list.
But Mass Effect to me is a game that was a very poor choice to "showcase" backwards compatibility - it is also a game that would have been a perfect candidate for a remaster (i.e. a "Mass Effect Trilogy" compilation on PS4/XB1). Why would anyone want to run the 360 version in 2015 even if it were emulated to 100% perfection?
No. I'm asking you why I need to rebuy PS3 games when I have both PS3 and PS4 hook up? Do you think now a day people 'TV still only have 1 or 2 HDMI connections on their TV? So tell me again why do I need to rebuy PS3 games again?
Cows still salty about having to rebuy their PS3 games.
LOL...these kind of posts make me laugh. Entirely possible to own both a PS3 AND a PS4. Didn't mean to blow your mind....but there it is. It's true.
Cool story tell it to Soony P Snow is their baby.
So why will anyone use PS Now for the games that they already have on PS3? Name one! Didn't you say Rebuy PS 3 games?? PS Now is a rental services last I check.
Cut scene frame rate, Loading times, texture pop in=all improved
Gameplay frame rate=increased.
I wonder what will happen when they officially remove this from beta and release it to the public during the holidays?
droppin to 11 FPS during combat = framerate increased? How so? is 11 > 30? Gameplay is where frame rate matters the most nobody cares if it increase a bit durinig a stupid cutscene
Cut scene frame rate, Loading times, texture pop in=all improved
Gameplay frame rate=increased.
I wonder what will happen when they officially remove this from beta and release it to the public during the holidays?
Gameplay frame rate is most certainly not increased. It's a steady 30 fps on the 360 where as emulation drops it to the low 10's. I think you need to actually watch the video.
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