Whoa...that's a lot of lost space.
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one problem I noticed on the Xbox 360 was that with the 120GB HDD I used the more I installed and deleted games off the HDD the less and less space I'd have, I'd have to pack up all my game save files and format the HDD to recover the 20-30GB of space that was missing
at least the memory was easy to manage though
I guess you forgot how when the 360 was released, the 20gb HDD that it came with, was really 14.
That 6 was reserved for backwards compatibility you numbskull (just kidding, I'm not mad :) )...What are these 140 gigs reserved for???
I guess you forgot how when the 360 was released, the 20gb HDD that it came with, was really 14.
That 6 was reserved for backwards compatibility you numbskull (just kidding, I'm not mad :) )...What are these 140 gigs reserved for???
A very bloated OS and some apps that probably total no more than 500mb. The rest is an amount you'd never get due to formatting and the way they're advertised.
For reference: My Seagate 1 tb is actually 931 gb and my Samsung 250 gb Evo is actually 232 gb.
@MickeyTheNinja: 138 gb is a lot more than 6.
Would be wise to express that as a percent.
500 gb in 2005 would mean a lot more than 500gb in 2013. While 20 gb is something in 2005 and nothing in 2013.
PS4 has 409GB according to SonyGAF so that's hardly a huge difference. There are games bigger than 47GB.
A lot of it is probably reserved for holding the previous 5 (is it 5?) minutes of recordings.
That could well be, or just reserved for future OS updates. Still, both Sony and MS are eating a lot of space on these already rather small drives, MS just seems to be doing worse.
@xboxdone74:
You have unlimited cloud storage...
What, do you just scour the internet for potential bad info on the Xbox One? How sad is your life?
EDIT: There is also an update in the works that will let you add an external hard drive.
That cloud storage won't store the things that are actually taking up the HDD, ie games.
I doubt I will ever use all that space and if I do I will delete old shit to make room for new.....so difficult.
PS4 has 409GB according to SonyGAF so that's hardly a huge difference. There are games bigger than 47GB.
So it sucks no matter what when it comes to consoles.
Time to start including alternate HDDs in the PC vs. Console cost comparison threads. =)
A lot of it is probably reserved for holding the previous 5 (is it 5?) minutes of recordings.
That could well be, or just reserved for future OS updates. Still, both Sony and MS are eating a lot of space on these already rather small drives, MS just seems to be doing worse.
Yeah it really sucks that you have to install everything on both consoles, I at least hope MS gets their external hard drive update out soon.
@chikenfriedrice:
Its a bit more difficult than you may like to think. Back in 2005, everybody thought 16GB was more than enough. Then we saw just how big games were getting. Now that M$ is on board with Blu-Ray, its only going to get worse. Those 362GB of Xbox One storage are going to feel like 16GB of 360 storage in no time at all. Especially with mandatory installs.
@chikenfriedrice:
Its a bit more difficult than you may like to think. Back in 2005, everybody thought 16GB was more than enough. Then we saw just how big games were getting. Now that M$ is on board with Blu-Ray, its only going to get worse. Those 362GB of Xbox One storage are going to feel like 16GB of 360 storage in no time at all. Especially with mandatory installs.
I deal with this on my PC....A lot of the time I will delete an older game that I will never play again before I install a new one.
@chikenfriedrice:
Its a bit more difficult than you may like to think. Back in 2005, everybody thought 16GB was more than enough. Then we saw just how big games were getting. Now that M$ is on board with Blu-Ray, its only going to get worse. Those 362GB of Xbox One storage are going to feel like 16GB of 360 storage in no time at all. Especially with mandatory installs.
I deal with this on my PC....A lot of the time I will delete an older game that I will never play again before I install a new one.
That's exactly what I have to do. I have tons of game I purchased on steam that I haven't installed to save space.
@chikenfriedrice:
And how many GB is your PC HDD? And be honest.
I have 250GB on my 360 and. 320GB on my PS3 and everything is maxed out with at least 30 games on each that I own and can't install.
My 120GB ps3 slim is actually 111GB. To be honest idk why this is the norm in the electronics world. The PS4 should have been labeled 400GB instead of 500GB.
It is because us humans represent everything in base 10 (where giga = 10^9), however computers only see in base 2 (where giga = 2^30).
So if you have a 500GB harddrive represented in base 10, it would only be 465GB in base 2.
Hard drive math automatically makes a 500 gig hard drive around 465 gigs. Add things like the OS, and other stuff will eat at that drive even more. It sounds pretty normal to me.
You can't judge how fast your drive will fill up by using an IGN or any video game journo's standard. They have access to practically everything anyway, you will not.
external drives will fix that anyway.
A "500GB" HDD is actually 465GB, for starters.
So, if the XB1 HDD maxes out around 362GB, that means there's a whopping 103GB of OS hogging space.
And this is why 500GB hard drive is bad when your system requires you to install every game. Well, the ps4 users can upgrade their hard drive and these Xbone users most wait for an update. Must suck for that guy who will have to sit and wait for an update to support external HDD or delete some games and spend forever reinstalling games if they choose to re-visit another disc title.
PS4 is also actually 408GB so I guess you could store one more game on it. Xbone does support external HDD. For the PS4 you have to swap out a bigger HDD and it doesn't support external HDD if I remember correctly. Either way 500GB is too small for modern games but we all knew that. Hell Sony/MS knew that but they had to rush out the consoles and have them be under budget.
My 120GB ps3 slim is actually 111GB. To be honest idk why this is the norm in the electronics world. The PS4 should have been labeled 400GB instead of 500GB.
Thats the way formatting works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive#Units
The total capacity of HDDs is given by manufacturers in megabytes (1 MB = 1,000,000 bytes), gigabytes (1 GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes) or terabytes (1 TB = 1,000,000,000,000 bytes).[41][43][44][45][46][47] This numbering convention, where prefixes like mega- and giga- denote powers of 1,000, is also used for data transmission rates and DVD capacities. However, the convention is different from that used by manufacturers of memory (RAM, ROM) and CDs, where prefixes like kilo- and mega- mean powers of 1,024.
The practice of using prefixes assigned to powers of 1,000 within the HDD and computer industries dates back to the early days of computing.[48] By the 1970s million, mega and M were consistently being used in the powers of 1,000 sense to describe HDD capacity.[49][50][51]
Computers do not internally represent HDD or memory capacity in powers of 1,024; reporting it in this manner is just a convention.[52]Microsoft Windows uses the powers of 1,024 convention when reporting HDD capacity, thus an HDD offered by its manufacturer as a 1 TB drive is reported by these OSes as a 931 GB HDD. Mac OS X 10.6 ("Snow Leopard"), uses powers of 1,000 when reporting HDD capacity.
In the case of "mega-", there is a nearly 5% difference between the powers of 1,000 definition and the powers of 1,024 definition. Furthermore, the difference is compounded by 2.4% with each incrementally larger prefix (gigabyte, terabyte, etc.). The discrepancy between the two conventions for measuring capacity was the subject of several class action suits against HDD manufacturers. The plaintiffs argued that the use of decimal measurements effectively misled consumers[53][54] while the defendants denied any wrongdoing or liability, asserting that their marketing and advertising complied in all respects with the law and that no class member sustained any damages or injuries.[55]
In December 1998, standards organizations addressed these dual definitions of the conventional prefixes by standardizing on unique binary prefixes and prefix symbols to denote multiples of 1,024, such as "mebibyte (MiB)", which exclusively denotes 220 or 1,048,576 bytes.[56] This standard has seen little adoption by the computer industry, and the conventionally prefixed forms of "byte" continue to denote slightly different values depending on context.[57][58]
The lost space isn't so much lost or consumed by the OS and apps, but is reserved by the os and it's whatever features.
Should be ok, 350Gb should be enough until they allow for external hdds. There isn't even enough good games to use up the hdd right now.
The lost space isn't so much lost or consumed by the OS and apps, but is reserved by the os and it's whatever features.
Should be ok, 350Gb should be enough until they allow for external hdds. There isn't even enough good games to use up the hdd right now.
Except that they make no mention of this. They say 500GB. That's obviously not true.
The lost space isn't so much lost or consumed by the OS and apps, but is reserved by the os and it's whatever features.
Should be ok, 350Gb should be enough until they allow for external hdds. There isn't even enough good games to use up the hdd right now.
Except that they make no mention of this. They say 500GB. That's obviously not true.
well no drive you buy is actually 500GB usable space, that drive probably had like 465GB usable to begin with
The lost space isn't so much lost or consumed by the OS and apps, but is reserved by the os and it's whatever features.
Should be ok, 350Gb should be enough until they allow for external hdds. There isn't even enough good games to use up the hdd right now.
Except that they make no mention of this. They say 500GB. That's obviously not true.
well no drive you buy is actually 500GB usable space, that drive probably had like 465GB usable to begin with
If we're talking about straight out of box before any OS it's much more than that. Probably 490 or so. With the OS installed it's obviously going to be less but 150GBs lost is EXCESSIVE.
Hate getting less space than I was supposed to be getting.
It happens on every storage device
Doesn't mean I have to like it. If it's supposed to be a 500GB hard drive, I expect to have 500GB of usable space.
The OS should have been on a separate HDD. They shouldn't specify 500 GB if they didn't mean 500 GB of storage. Microsoft is a corporate scammer.
The lost space isn't so much lost or consumed by the OS and apps, but is reserved by the os and it's whatever features.
Should be ok, 350Gb should be enough until they allow for external hdds. There isn't even enough good games to use up the hdd right now.
Except that they make no mention of this. They say 500GB. That's obviously not true.
well no drive you buy is actually 500GB usable space, that drive probably had like 465GB usable to begin with
If we're talking about straight out of box before any OS it's much more than that. Probably 490 or so. With the OS installed it's obviously going to be less but 150GBs lost is EXCESSIVE.
No, it's actually much less than 490, like if you just took at as a storage drive for a PC (not for windows install) it would appear as 465GB. For example, my 640GB drive is only ~594GB
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