Xbox One OWNS the PS4 with a technique called "Tiled Resources"

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Can we please stop comparing X1 to ps4? There's a much better opponent for X1. Its called the wiiu. Both are selling/will sell like crap, both have no games and both are underpowered. X1 vs WiiU need to happen.silversix_

In terms of graphics the xbox one and the ps4 are pretty close to each other.

They are not even a generation apart in graphics. The ps4 is probably not even 2x stronger than the xbox one.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

7850 > underclocked 7770

gddr5 > ddr3

that is not pr bs, that is fact

#dealwithit

Krelian-co

trying to care about your opinion, but i really couldn't, sorry :(

1. X1, 7850, PS4 has 2 primitives per cycle. 7770 has 1 primitive per cycle. This factor is important for DX11 titles.

2. 7850's 800mhz 32 ROPS would be underutilized as shown by 7950(non-BE)'s 800Mhz 32 ROPS results.

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I'll post another 768 stream processor GCN, i.e. AMD FirePro W5000 SKU.

Notice FirePro W5000's 102 GB/s video memory bandwidth almost matches VGLeaks' eSRAM memory bandwidth.

Some gaming benchmarks for AMD FirePro W5000.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,review-32643-9.html

7850 = 45.

W5000 = 33.

7870 GE's 52.3 fps / 20 CUs = 2.615 x 10 CUs = 26.15 fps which roughly matches 7770's 25.9 fps result. My scale down theory and actual results works

FirePro W5000's 12 CUs (825 Mhz) scales down from Radeon HD 7850's 16 CUs (860 Mhz).

7850's 45.3 fps / 16 CUs (860Mhz) = 2.831 x 8 CUs = 22.65 fps which roughly matches 7750's 21.5 fps result. 7750 is clocked at 800Mhz. Again, my scale down theory and actual results works.

If we use the 7850 and 7750 as the two points for the "line of best fit", FirePro W5000 falls into the expected slot for scaled 12 CUs @ ~800 Mhz.

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If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 12 CUs you get 31.65 FPS which is close to W5000's 33 FPS result.

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 16 CUs you get 42.2 FPS which is close to 7850's 45 FPS result. You got 60Mhz difference between 7750 and 7850.

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 18 CUs you get 47.47 FPS which is between 7850's and 7870's FPS results.

The gap between 31.65 FPS and 47.47 FPS is about 33 percent i.e. 31.65 FPS has about 66 percent of 47.47 FPS performance.

or

The gap between 47.47 FPS and 31.65 FPS is about 49.9 percent i.e. 47.47 FPS has 49.9 percent extra performance over 31.65 FPS.

Both 31.65 FPS and 47.47 FPS plays the same game with the same settings.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Can we please stop comparing X1 to ps4? There's a much better opponent for X1. Its called the wiiu. Both are selling/will sell like crap, both have no games and both are underpowered. X1 vs WiiU need to happen.dream431ca

In terms of graphics the xbox one and the ps4 are pretty close to each other.

What?? I haven't seen them in action yet in person. Please do tell. (I know, I'm a jerk.) :P

In terms of their tech specs the ps4 is about 2x stronger maybe more maybe less.Both consoles will already be able to pull off high quality visuals for a console. The only difference between ps4 exclusives and maybe multiplats and xbox one exclusives and maybe multiplats will mostly be resolution and framerate related.PS4 exclusives and multiplats will be able to have better textures and etc. The xbox one will be able to handle almost anything the ps4 can handle.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Your "underclocked 7770" for X1 is BS.ronvalencia

trying to care about your opinion, but i really couldn't, sorry :(

1. X1, 7850, PS4 has 2 primitives per cycle. 7770 has 1 primitive per cycle. This factor is important for DX11 titles.

2. 7850's 800mhz 32 ROPS would be underutilized as shown by 7950(non-BE)'s 800Mhz 32 ROPS results.

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I'll post another 768 stream processor GCN, i.e. AMD FirePro W5000 SKU.

Notice FirePro W5000's 102 GB/s video memory bandwidth almost matches VGLeaks' eSRAM memory bandwidth.

Some gaming benchmarks for AMD FirePro W5000.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,review-32643-9.html

7850 = 45.

W5000 = 33.

7870 GE's 52.3 fps / 20 CUs = 2.615 x 10 CUs = 26.15 fps which roughly matches 7770's 25.9 fps result. My scale down theory and actual results works

FirePro W5000's 12 CUs (825 Mhz) scales down from Radeon HD 7850's 16 CUs (860 Mhz).

7850's 45.3 fps / 16 CUs (860Mhz) = 2.831 x 8 CUs = 22.65 fps which roughly matches 7750's 21.5 fps result. 7750 is clocked at 800Mhz. Again, my scale down theory and actual results works.

If we use the 7850 and 7750 as the two points for the "line of best fit", FirePro W5000 falls into the expected slot for scaled 12 CUs @ ~800 Mhz.

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If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 12 CUs you get 31.65 FPS which is close to W5000's 33 FPS result.

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 16 CUs you get 42.2 FPS which is close to 7850's 45 FPS result. You got 60Mhz difference between 7750 and 7850.

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 18 CUs you get 47.47 FPS which is between 7850's and 7870's FPS results.

The gap between 31.65 FPS and 47.47 FPS is about 33 percent i.e. 31.65 FPS has about 66 percent of 47.47 FPS performance.

or

The gap between 47.47 FPS and 31.65 FPS is about 49.9 percent i.e. 47.47 FPS has 49.9 percent extra performance over 31.65 FPS.

Both 31.65 FPS and 47.47 FPS plays the same game with the same settings.

So this means a game the PS4 can run at a locked 30fps will run at sub-15fps on the Xbox One...or get downgraded graphically. Thanks.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Baurus_1 fail thread :lol:Ribnarak

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

dat DirectX 11.2 exclusive "Tiled Resources"

 

 

 

Gaming-Planet

People really need ot stop screen capturing terrible pics  from titanfall videos.

"Tiled Resources" is just Microsoft's name for Partially Resident Textures, which exists in current AMD GPU's. It is most definitely not some killer exclusive feature for the Xbox 1.

Next time research a bit before starting a stupid thread Baurus...

Best self ownage ive seen...

*facepalm*

*facedesk*

"Tiled Resources" is just Microsoft's name for Partially Resident Textures, which exists in current AMD GPU's. It is most definitely not some killer exclusive feature for the Xbox 1.

Teufelhuhn

So that means it's on PS4 as well then right? Since the PS4 is using a AMD GPU as well?

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

"Tiled Resources" is just Microsoft's name for Partially Resident Textures, which exists in current AMD GPU's. It is most definitely not some killer exclusive feature for the Xbox 1.

dream431ca

So that means it's on PS4 as well then right? Since the PS4 is using a AMD GPU as well?

Yes, Tiled Resources is a new thing with DX 11.2, not AMD, it is also for intel and Nvidia.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

"Tiled Resources" is just Microsoft's name for Partially Resident Textures, which exists in current AMD GPU's. It is most definitely not some killer exclusive feature for the Xbox 1.

AMD655

So that means it's on PS4 as well then right? Since the PS4 is using a AMD GPU as well?

Yes, Tiled Resources is a new thing with DX 11.2, not AMD, it is also for intel and Nvidia.

Well, a little digging and the truth comes out. It seems like everything Microsoft says with the XB1 gets shot down rather quickly.

DirectX 11.2 is the next major update to DirectX, bumping the AI version up by 0.1 (currently is at DX11.1). But relax, it does more than just bump up a number. DX11.2 brings a major new feature titled Tiled Resources, that allows developers to be able to dynamically place high-resolution textures in a scene, all without placing much extra load on the GPU. The new technology works to make sure that the textures dont appear blurry when seen at close up

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/directx-11-2-to-bring-tiled-resources-to-windows-8-1-and-the-xbox-one/41876.html#ixzz2ZTaGIKKe

We continue to innovate DirectX to make Windows the best gaming platform out there, claims Microsoft vice president of Windows Antoine Leblond. At the companys Build conference in San Franciso, Microsoft have been showing off the power of DirectX 11.2 and how its new abilities can create unprecedented amounts of detail.

In addition to that, DX11.2 brings reduced latencies for apps running atop the API, allowing for faster UI response.  To get an in-depth review of all the new features that comes along with the new API, head over to Microsofts Windows 8.1 feature guide page.

HSL shader linking. W8.1 store apps can compile shaders in runtime, so the behavior of the shaders can be dynamic. However compiling is slow, so this feature allows you to pre-compile shaders at build time and link them at runtime, this way you can create new dynamic shaders without the performance hit. Dynamics shaders could be used for instance for a game to test the performance of the device its going to run and modify to a simpler or a more complex version of the shader to maintain the best visual quality while maintaining the target framerate. Its also useful for building shader library dlls that can be shared among different projects and each app decides how to build their shaders from this library.

Heres a video detailing tiled resources:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswYdzsHKMc

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/directx-11-2-to-bring-tiled-resources-to-windows-8-1-and-the-xbox-one/41876.html#ixzz2ZTaNup6j

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science.

Read this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125435-Microsoft-Tiled-Resources-Key-To-Xbox-One-Graphics

So it looks like it will be another console gen of Sony's console being owned in the graphics department.

Baurus_1

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

trying to care about your opinion, but i really couldn't, sorry :(

StrongBlackVine

1. X1, 7850, PS4 has 2 primitives per cycle. 7770 has 1 primitive per cycle. This factor is important for DX11 titles.

2. 7850's 800mhz 32 ROPS would be underutilized as shown by 7950(non-BE)'s 800Mhz 32 ROPS results.

-----------------------

I'll post another 768 stream processor GCN, i.e. AMD FirePro W5000 SKU.

Notice FirePro W5000's 102 GB/s video memory bandwidth almost matches VGLeaks' eSRAM memory bandwidth.

Some gaming benchmarks for AMD FirePro W5000.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,review-32643-9.html

7850 = 45.

W5000 = 33.

7870 GE's 52.3 fps / 20 CUs = 2.615 x 10 CUs = 26.15 fps which roughly matches 7770's 25.9 fps result. My scale down theory and actual results works

FirePro W5000's 12 CUs (825 Mhz) scales down from Radeon HD 7850's 16 CUs (860 Mhz).

7850's 45.3 fps / 16 CUs (860Mhz) = 2.831 x 8 CUs = 22.65 fps which roughly matches 7750's 21.5 fps result. 7750 is clocked at 800Mhz. Again, my scale down theory and actual results works.

If we use the 7850 and 7750 as the two points for the "line of best fit", FirePro W5000 falls into the expected slot for scaled 12 CUs @ ~800 Mhz.

---------------------

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 12 CUs you get 31.65 FPS which is close to W5000's 33 FPS result.

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 16 CUs you get 42.2 FPS which is close to 7850's 45 FPS result. You got 60Mhz difference between 7750 and 7850.

If you scale 7750's 21.1 FPS result to 18 CUs you get 47.47 FPS which is between 7850's and 7870's FPS results.

The gap between 31.65 FPS and 47.47 FPS is about 33 percent i.e. 31.65 FPS has about 66 percent of 47.47 FPS performance.

or

The gap between 47.47 FPS and 31.65 FPS is about 49.9 percent i.e. 47.47 FPS has 49.9 percent extra performance over 31.65 FPS.

Both 31.65 FPS and 47.47 FPS plays the same game with the same settings.

So this means a game the PS4 can run at a locked 30fps will run at sub-15fps on the Xbox One...or get downgraded graphically. Thanks.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science.

Read this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125435-Microsoft-Tiled-Resources-Key-To-Xbox-One-Graphics

So it looks like it will be another console gen of Sony's console being owned in the graphics department.

btk2k2

There are multiple tier level with DX11.2's tiled resource.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn280435(v=vs.85).aspx

DX11.2's tiled resource follows the same 64KB tile size as AMD PRT.

It's upto to GPU driver to JIT recomplie Direct3D ASM to GPU's feature set.

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[QUOTE="btk2k2"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science.

Read this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125435-Microsoft-Tiled-Resources-Key-To-Xbox-One-Graphics

So it looks like it will be another console gen of Sony's console being owned in the graphics department.

ronvalencia

There are multiple tier level with DX11.2's tiled resource.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn280435(v=vs.85).aspx

DX11.2's tiled resource follows the same 64KB tile size as AMD PRT.

It's upto to GPU driver to JIT recomplie Direct3D ASM to GPU's feature set.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="btk2k2"] This is PRT which is a hardware accelerated form of the Megatexture idea that ID have used. This is part of the GCN architecture which means that it both PS4 and Xbox1 have it available on the hardware level. DX 11.1 did not actually expose this functionality through the API so that even though it was a feature of the GPU it was not used on the PC. It is exposed in OGL as the AMD_sparse_texture extension so any games developed using OGL have native support for this feature. The PS4 API's are based on OGL which means that it is already part of the PS4 toolset. However the Xbox1 API's are based (or maybe even are) DX. Now that DX11.2 has an extension to make use of this feature it means the Xbox1 can take advantage of it.btk2k2

There are multiple tier level with DX11.2's tiled resource.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dn280435(v=vs.85).aspx

DX11.2's tiled resource follows the same 64KB tile size as AMD PRT.

It's upto to GPU driver to JIT recomplie Direct3D ASM to GPU's feature set.

Oh I see now! So THATS how they get Source engine games to run on it.

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science.

Read this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125435-Microsoft-Tiled-Resources-Key-To-Xbox-One-Graphics

So it looks like it will be another console gen of Sony's console being owned in the graphics department.

Baurus_1

That technique i saw it first on PS2..:lol:

Are you trying to argue something or just point out something interesting about the implementation of PRT in DX11.2?btk2k2

He is trying to argue that only the xbox one will do it because f DirectX...:lol:

He always does that,he also try to imply many times that PRT will not work on PS4 because it doesn't have ESRAM..:lol:

Like if ESRAM was actually part of GCN in any way.. 

Bandwidth to the shared system RAM in PS4 is actually higher than the bus between the ESRam and the GPU on the XBone.

Thus negating any need to tile or cache texture or shadow maps to any particular part of the memory and also, thusly, negating any advantage tiling has on the XBone.  This thread is utterly piss.

In fact, the bandwidth on PS4 is even slightly faster than combined read from the ESRam and main system memory on the XBone.

Oh wow, MS tries to make some old tech look new and the Xbots eat it right up. :lol:

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science. :lol: Heil68

That means serious business.... :cool:

The only thing XBox One is owning is Lems wallets.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science.

Read this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125435-Microsoft-Tiled-Resources-Key-To-Xbox-One-Graphics

So it looks like it will be another console gen of Sony's console being owned in the graphics department.

xboxiphoneps3

You're real late bro

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Open GL has had this technique for a couple of years now only now has direct X got a version of their own LOL. The PS4 will be able to do this aswell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA only its not new with open GL so it hasn't been in the news now Direct X comes out and says its got a new feature everyone goes heads over heals and laughs at the PS4 before checking, If they did they would have found the PS4 is going to have the exact same feature. LOL you Lems crack me upziggyww

[QUOTE="ziggyww"]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Open GL has had this technique for a couple of years now only now has direct X got a version of their own LOL. The PS4 will be able to do this aswell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA only its not new with open GL so it hasn't been in the news now Direct X comes out and says its got a new feature everyone goes heads over heals and laughs at the PS4 before checking, If they did they would have found the PS4 is going to have the exact same feature. LOL you Lems crack me upsuperclocked

article says nothing about the ps4.

I guess thats what happens when Sony just grabs off the shelf parts and slaps its together to make a console :cool:RR360DD

So where can i grab an off the shelf 8 core jaguar APU with a 78XX GPU,and 8GB of GDDR5.?

:lol:

Keep eating anything MS feed you,and you will have diarrhea in the brain.

If anything the xbox one is more off the shelf,DDR3,less custom GPU.

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="ziggyww"]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Open GL has had this technique for a couple of years now only now has direct X got a version of their own LOL. The PS4 will be able to do this aswell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA only its not new with open GL so it hasn't been in the news now Direct X comes out and says its got a new feature everyone goes heads over heals and laughs at the PS4 before checking, If they did they would have found the PS4 is going to have the exact same feature. LOL you Lems crack me upbtk2k2

Gosh, if only my PC had Move engines.  I could use DDR2 forever!

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]I guess thats what happens when Sony just grabs off the shelf parts and slaps its together to make a console :cool:tormentos

So where can i grab an off the shelf 8 core jaguar APU with a 78XX GPU,and 8GB of GDDR5.?

:lol:

Keep eating anything MS feed you,and you will have diarrhea in the brain.

If anything the xbox one is more off the shelf,DDR3,less custom GPU.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]I guess thats what happens when Sony just grabs off the shelf parts and slaps its together to make a console :cool:superclocked

So where can i grab an off the shelf 8 core jaguar APU with a 78XX GPU,and 8GB of GDDR5.?

:lol:

Keep eating anything MS feed you,and you will have diarrhea in the brain.

If anything the xbox one is more off the shelf,DDR3,less custom GPU.

This is real computer science, not some fanboy pseudo-science.

Read this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125435-Microsoft-Tiled-Resources-Key-To-Xbox-One-Graphics

So it looks like it will be another console gen of Sony's console being owned in the graphics department.

Baurus_1

[QUOTE="ziggyww"]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Open GL has had this technique for a couple of years now only now has direct X got a version of their own LOL. The PS4 will be able to do this aswell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA only its not new with open GL so it hasn't been in the news now Direct X comes out and says its got a new feature everyone goes heads over heals and laughs at the PS4 before checking, If they did they would have found the PS4 is going to have the exact same feature. LOL you Lems crack me upsuperclocked

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="ziggyww"]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Open GL has had this technique for a couple of years now only now has direct X got a version of their own LOL. The PS4 will be able to do this aswell HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA only its not new with open GL so it hasn't been in the news now Direct X comes out and says its got a new feature everyone goes heads over heals and laughs at the PS4 before checking, If they did they would have found the PS4 is going to have the exact same feature. LOL you Lems crack me upbtk2k2

[QUOTE="btk2k2"][QUOTE="superclocked"]The point is, the XBox One will be much better at it, due to the near instantaneous movement of data between the 32MB of L4 cache and 8GB of DDR3 memory...superclocked