Xbox One + Win10 dev. Easy mode = Other hardware done?

Last year we saw Forza 5 ported to DX12. A game that was written in DX11.x API took 4 man months.

According to Turn 10, the conversion from Xbox One's DX11.x API to an alpha version of DX12 took four man-months to achieve, with some features of the existing console API migrating across to PC, while other elements (thanks PC Perspective for the shot) - such as "pipeline state objects" and the "resource binding model" will make their way across to Xbox One.

Considering Win10 and Xbox One will eventfully be running DX12 APIs simultaneously / mirrored. The ease to port multi-plat games is going to be easy mode for devs. I would imagine. They are demonstrating this with Fable Legends as a test bed.

We know Microsoft is offering Win10 free to all existing Win7 and Win8.1 users for the first year. The consumer base will more than likely be there for Publishers. Making it almost impossible for them to ignore the revenue.

With Unreal, Unity, NVidia, AMD, Intel all in the DX12 loop.. I think this is going to be a huge step towards merging the two platforms. This will give Microsoft the opportunity to offer the Games / Software as a digital medium across both platforms. With Microsoft still controlling software royalty rights. If the products are on the Win10 Xbox One App and the Xbox One as dual software. Essentially turning your PC into an Xbox 1. That you can upgrade the hardware as you see fit.

Also keeping games exclusive. Sorry cows. If they can only be played on Xbox Live app on Win10 and Xbox One. Your argument is over before it begun.

If publishers adopt this model. I have a feeling with the ease of cross development it's a no brainer at this point. Money that can't be left on the table, nor ignored.

The question is... What will Sony do to combat this? If this is the future of The Xbox Brand.... PS4 console just became a toaster. Considering you could stream the Games to the Xbox One in 1080p 60fps from the PC or visa versa Xbox One to PC. If they chose to go that route. By allowing you to stream from your PC on your home network. Using the X1 as a hub essentially.

I always thought it would be a Xbox Pro that released. This is even better.

How can Sony combat this? Your graphics superior ports just might have took a huge shit all over the place.

Will Sony make an app for Win10 PC too?

Think about this for a minute. Streaming the same game from Win10 to the Xbox One at 1080p 60fps off an Intel processor and 400 dollar AMD or NVidia GPU.

That's called game the **** over. They are already allowing the Xbox One to stream to the PC at 1080p 60fps. What's to stop them from releasing a Win10 and X1 version of every game they make and allowing them to be played from either device?

EDIT: Essentially using your PC as the Hardware, and the X1 as a HUB.

Because if every x1 exclusive came to pc it would decrease sales of consoles and xbl. And streaming aint gona change shit, hardly anyone even cares about that crap, steam has had it for years

What would you buy as a hub.. a powerful stationary PC for every room in your house or a $349 dollar X1 to access that monster PC.

Writing code between the Xbox One and Win10 in DX12 is 100% easy mode. Allowing AMAZING streaming on you home network is 100% easy mode. There is no internet involved. These are undisputed facts.

You can't see this happening... You're blind my man.

This has nothing to do with secret sauce or cloud. This is 100% ready to do right now.

It will crush the any console when factoring in the PC you have backing the games.

Watch what happens man. This will not alienate the X1 user base. Buy one copy of the game it works on both platforms.

The difference is, if you have a powerful PC rig in your home with Win10. It can be your hardware through HOME streaming.

This will help pc, not xbone, it will make easier for devs to go after the pc money since its easier than ever, and xbone will lose its exclusives which we have already seen with most of its games being ported to pc, so the question is why would anyone buy an xbone then if the pc does everything better, nintendo and playstation retain their games and remain a must have since they differentiate from pc.

What's stopping them ?

The other question would be: MS hasn't done this in years i.e. release a PC version alongside an Xbox version so why would they start doing it ?

When PC gamers got something from Micorosoft in the past years it has either been

- A port from Xbox years down the line (Fable Anniversary, Halo 2)

-A smaller indie game on the same day as Xbox release or a bit later (Mark of the Ninja, Ori)

MS is really afraid to start porting their big hitters over from Xbox to PC. I'm talking Forzas and Halos and QBs and such.

a. ) what microsoft is doing is introducing a middle man, why would i want to stream the xbone on my monitor/tv if i can just plug it directly. Anyway of course lems would hype this, as always.

b. ) As for why they would not do it, because it would be bad business, you would be selling two versions for the price of one, also they would be different for each version they share the same os, not the same hardware architecture.

If they keep the games in their bubble. The Win10 Xbox One app and X1 I'm all for it.

Phil Spencer is giving hints towards this. To use your X1 as a hub for game streaming in your home from your 2000 dollar PC.

It needs to happen now. Release one version of the game that is supported on both platforms. It's brilliant if they do it.

Who knows though.

You know what? None of this matters because Mantle LXS2 and DX12.80.M159R20 is so on the cusp of Star Wars tech and The Order 1886 is already ahead of all these that its not even important. You people don't know, NO! you really don't!

It's a way to upgrade your hardware.. X1 / PS4 "if they make an app." Without ever buying another system. Your system just act as a host.

This is 100% worth hyping.

so you are saying they would use the pc hardware to run the games, then why would there be any need for an xbone? if they can make the game run on pc, then why people would buy an xbone instead of a pc?

lol consoles

why would anyone buy the xbone/ps4 just to use as a host, if it can run on pc, then buy a pc and play on pc, there are far cheaper ways to stream games from pc.

You are talking as if Xbox One is the biggest division of Microsoft, this isn't the case at all. PC Software is, so getting more people to Windows 10 is a very big plus for Microsoft. Why do you think they are giving it for free? Because they try to get you into the Windows 10 ecosystem, and once you are in, you spend way more cash to just one company.

I do think Microsoft isn't going to give every exclusive to the PC at the same time, it could happen after 6-12 months. Sure, why buy an Xbox One then? Because you still have all multimedia features, you can still casually game on the couch, and now you've got the streaming from and to the Xbox One which is a great feature. One of the biggest reasons for buying a console, is gaming on the couch in front of the TV, not exclusives... Exclusives are just there to make a choice between systems. That's why a multiplatform game like FIFA and CoD are best selling, not exclusives. You can play both games on PC, but people prefer doing these things on the couch and in front of a TV.

That is not how Microsoft works.

Xbox and Windows phone exist to increase in percentage of the planet that is familiar with a Microsoft style interface, ensuring that just about any company in the world can put a new hire behind a windows PC with very little training and have that new hire understand, at the very least, the basics. Microsoft doesn't make money off of entertainment services. Entertainment services are a method Microsoft familiarizes more and more of the population with Microsoft.

Microsoft is out to create a world where no employer ever has to ask "Are you familiar with Microsoft products..?" because of course the answer is yes. Everything it does is a means to that end. If anything, it seems the xbox console was a Trojan Horse designed to turn console gaming into PC gaming. If this works, having a two system multiplat is cheap and easy. Having a three system multiplat? Now that cost money.

Combine that with practices such as footing some of the dev costs in exchange for making the game a timed exclusive, and you start to see the power behind this move.

I liked the idea of making different hardwares more accessible. I'll use Windows 7 for now until Dx12 exclusive games become a standard. Right now devs just started to support Dx11 exclusively.

Until late 2013 all games were built around Dx9 and Dx10. It'll be a while until I switch to Windows 10 but as as I said, I liked it and features that it's bringing along with it, so far.

It would be the Xbox family. Either platform will run the game stand alone. "Fable Legends".

The same thing Sony could do with an app on Win10 with their API running on both platforms..

It would not make consoles obsolete. The games are still going to work on your console. "Fable Legends"

The big thing is to be able to piggy back off of that gaming PC hardware from anywhere in your home through your X1 or PS4.

Anywhere... Backed by the power of a gaming rig. Without losing the functionality of the console itself.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

This will help Xbox One, because if you buy the game one time, you have it on PC AND Xbox One, so why would you buy the PS4, and pay for a game twice?

Looks like MS finally got it all right. With free W10 for W7/8 users they are consolidating their fractured user base. Then factor in this and it looks like MS has really got their ducks in a row. What will Sony do? Sony can't top a $2000 PC. The only thing that could top it would be a $3000 PC. Instead of being chained to their outdated hardware, they will abandon consoles completely. PS5 will be a cloud based console. No more reliance on weak hardware, and no more console generations to worry about. Sony won't need to make a app to stream W10 to PS4. They will transcend it altogether.

yeah now you are making bullshit and are too dumb to explain

a. why would that not be profitable for microsoft

b. why if i buy the ps4 would be buying the game twice according to you?

c. why they won't do it

Lems are out of control spreading ignorance and bullshit with this lolz.

That's microsofts fear. And the reason why they even pay for games like Dead Rising 3, Ryse and Tomb Raider to NOT appear on PC for a year or so.

They fear that if all the Xbox games would be available on PC, gamers would see no use at all for their Xbox product.

Is that feat true ? Who knows.

MS thought PC gamers would jump massively to Xbox when they totally abandoned PC gamers. But they didn't. So if MS wants to see more of their games sold they better make them available on PC too.

So when I'm right again... Then what.

I always thought they would release an Xbox Pro version.. This is even better.

this is not even in microsoft hands, do you think devs will stop selling separate versions on both pc and xbone? yeah dream on. The news is you can STREAM games, that's it, they won't be interchangeable on both systems. Also they may have the same os, but the hardware is still different, the game will still have to be ported, even if its easier now.

Microsoft selling software as a dual package. Win10 and X1 versions for the same cost. Considering the ease to port. How could they not win.

They would still receive royalties off the software. They would either sell Xbox Ones or Copies of Windows 10.

They would be stupid not to do this.

Apparently you have your mind made up on this. Closed Mind. DX12 porting is easy mode. Microsoft gives away other peoples games everyday AC: U. They couldn't possible make this a standard. Digital only distribution cross platform for it to work. Giving developers a bigger profit. Removing the middle man. GameStop and Used game sales.

If you can't and won't look at the possibilities of this.. game on dude.

EDIT: It's the same API on both systems and x86 architecture yes it is interchangeable... 100% How do you think they write PC software.

In an API guy.

a. Don't understand what you are asking... It is profitable for Microsoft, very profitable actually...

b. That's the case, if you would buy the PS4, you would have to buy the game twice to play it on every device, while in the Microsoft eco-system you only have to buy it one time.

c. Why they wouldn't do what?

Cows are out of controle damage controlling with this ignorance and bullishit, lolzzzzz

i am off, keep spreading lies and bullshit, i hope someone will have better patience explaining why it won't work, financially and from the developers point of view, if you want to keep making lies and bullshit as you said, game on.

@Wasdie we need you here to explain him why it won't work, i am not good explaining basic things to morons.

You may not like the answer you get from Wasdie.

This is 100% feasible right now. There are zero limitations to anything I've said depending on your home network bandwidth. None.

If you can stream a Blu-ray from a PC DNLA server to your Xbox One... in your home network. You can do this. People are streaming 4k content on their home networks man.

You're really not this dumb? You ever heard of a thing called PS NOW? That's from the internet to the PS4. Now think what you can do on a home network with 0-5ms ping and huge bandwidth. Ever been to a LAN party?

Publishers can and will still release their games on Steam separate, for people that don't want to be part of this MS ecosystem.

@Wasdie Please explain to this Damage Controlling cow... calling people morons. :p

It's your turn. Do me proud. Expose his brilliance.

I don't think all xbox one games will run at 1080P on an actual PC. Your PC is probably just going to upscale any xbox one game that runs below 1080P which will probably look horrible on a PC monitor.

These are the most substantial gains for PC and console that Microsoft has ever pumped out. Twitter and GAF are blown up with Sony fanboys trying to downplay it all. How sad.

The truth is Sony has nothing to combat any of this. They don't poses the financial backing, the research teams or the steady hand to pull off something this big.

Windows 10 Xbox app. Wut?

I don't think anyone is claiming that... Xbox One will be capable to stream 1080p/60fps, and will probably upscale it themselves and then send it to PC, instead of that the PC is going to upscale it. Because Microsoft said it will stream to any Windows 10 device, so also tablets and phones, and I don't see smartphones also upscaling or downscaling...

The difference with PS4, is that PS4 streams to the PS TV in only 720p... That's a big difference.

We knew this a year ago.

Why do lems keep posting old news as fresh? Must be because they have nothing new of interest to say.

Oh look, @bunchanumbers is a misterxmedia-tier fool. What a surprise.

It allows you to access your xbox account via windows 10.

That's only if you buy from a MS digital store. Cross buy between pc and xbox would be amazing.

However, the problem is that Windows is just an OS. It doesn't make MS money or properly interlink the 2 platforms.

In order for MS to connect the 2, they need their own Steam like storefront with all the new games, indie or AAA, and attract millions of users like Valve. Then they could properly extend on cross buy, and more features to connect the two platforms.

Has it stands, windows 10 will simply make porting between the 2 and cross play easier.

So far there's been no mention of having to buy and XBL account to use the Xbox games through the win 10 app, but I'll guarantee it's coming. What MS need to learn is PC gamers will not pay to play their games online there are far too many free options out there. The exception being subscription based games like WoW (how many sub MMO's are there these days anyway?)

Hermits haven't jumped on board with this, and probably wont. Did you forget GFWL? PC gamers will never accept a controlled system because, well, they're hermits. They live under the radar and never submit to conformity.

Then you're forgetting about non-Microsoft developers like Sony and Nintendo, and a ton of independent devs who wont go along with Windows rules.

Nothing is "game over" and you're a blind fool if you think it is.

I have no idea who you're talking about. And here I am defending Sony and this is how you treat a fellow Sony fan?

@b4x u first heard it here guys

all x1 exclusive will be coming to pc, not only that but they will all be cross-buy

ms is going to sell x1 as a streaming hub

also ms will turn into a non-profit charity organisation

He seems to have that effect on people Buncha#s. Now he is attacking his own people. SMH.

Nice try lads, but no cigar.

Next gen will not be streaming-only.

Would you agree it will be a little streaming with a bit of VHS?

Dream on. Sony are offering its PSNow system, MS has this. It won't be long before Nintendo dream up something to compete. Its coming, be afraid, be very afraid.

Its gonna happen man. The writing is on the wall. Sony has been steering towards this end game for a long time. Probably since after they lost billions on the PS3. Streaming answers all their problems. No piracy. They have full control over content. No fear of Gamestop and secondhand market. No more worries about DREs, YLOD, PBLOD, etc. No more wasting billions developing hardware. MS is working on it too but Sony is the first one that will fully embrace it, and you should be happy. Its the first real innovation in gaming in years and Sony will be the pioneer of it.

Wow, look at all these lems excited for streaming. I thought it sucked, guys?

A little bit of streaming but mostly hardware.

Nah. Doing that would knock them out of 75% of the global market, and streamin has its own issues. Everyone else would probably switch completely to PC.

Yes, as another option and to bring more people into their ecosystems.

Nintendo is good at turning a profit on its hardware, I don't see them changing.

It would actually put PS5 in the hands of every smart phone, every tablet, every PC, and almost every device in the human world. It wouldn't knock them out of the global market. It would give them global domination. Its the best possible thing Sony could hope for.

Not to burst your bubble but this will hurt the X1....not help.

This. The only chance the Xbox One has is by offering real exclusives because it is weaker than both the PS4 and PC. This only makes the console irrelevant going forward.

Lol janker. Lol ghost.

What would be the point of the X1? Why not just connect your PC to the tv?