Xbox Scorpio CPU vs I7

I have an I7 4790K cpu, will I need to upgrade it to have one as fast as what will be in the scorpio?

This for real?

An i7 4970K will mop the floor with whatever is in Scorpio. Consoles don't have nor need CPUs that capable.

Will need at least a 6950X to be on par.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117643

@chriscoolguy: Rumors are, the Scorpio will feature a CPU with a unique architecture which should be able to destroy the latest and greatest i7 processors. Microsoft is really going all in with the Scorpio.

Surely it will have a CPU that was designed for mobile use so I very much doubt that.

You wouldn't need to upgrade an i5 2500k.

No, just have a look at @MonsieurX's link and then think about it a bit. The cheapest I7's are over $300 and the most expensive are $1600+. MS are not going to price the Scorpio with the elite in mind, that's not the console market.

PS4 Pro with 310 watts PSU is getting closer to PC. AMD based consoles are not limiting to yesteryear's game console TDP.

Scorpio's APU size is about 362 mm^2 with Polaris 10 allocated with 232 mm^2 chip area hence the remaining 130 mm^2 allocated to CPU/NB/SB which is more than enough for full blown 8 core FX ZEN SKU.

With the same clock speed, AMD 8 core FX ZEN is similar to Broadwell-E in Blender 3D.

Scorpio's PSU may exceed PS4 Pro's 310 watt PSU.

Scorpio's 362 mm^2 size chip is similar to XBO's 363 mm^2 size chip.

Opteron ZEN scales to 32 cores per socket hence 8 core ZEN are just mainstream SKUs. Opteron has a super APU with 16 core ZEN and Greenland GPU (Vega) in year 2017.

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8 core ZEN 3 Ghz was demo'ed against Broadwell-E at 3 Ghz with Blender 3D.

Blender 3D is part of Intel's NDA benchmarking guide when websites reviews Intel CPUs.

Intel Xeon scales to 22 cores and since there's lack of competition from AMD, Intel is milking both business and the consumer markets.

A weaken AMD = both Intel and Nvidia will the "milk" both business and the consumer markets. IBM's Power 8 can most price compete against Intel Xeons.

No one knows any details about anything scorpio related.

Purple unicorns are stronger and faster than the pink unicorns. Why? Because paper tigers are God, yo.

~130 mm^2 chip area size for CPU/NB/SB is not 8 core Jaguar/NB/SB. We already know both Polaris and Jaguar chip area sizes.

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We already know both Polaris GPU and Jaguar CPU chip area sizes.

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In a GPU-bound development world, you think MS is going to create some wacky, expensive, proprietary CPU hardware that smokes i7s, only to pair it with a middling 6 TFLOPS GPU? A move that would therefore increase the cost of the system well beyond the boost in performance the schwanky CPU would be able to provide? A move that could also make BC - a big priority for these new systems and selling point - more difficult?

That would be at least Cell-processor silly

@ronvalencia: So you didn't answer his questions lol? What a tool.

Yesteryears console TDP what the hell are you smoking.? The fat PS3 had a 380 watt PSU bigger than the PS4 Pro one.

Second having a 310 power supply doesn't mean it will reach that high,the PS3 used about 210 watts from its 380 PSU,DF agree with this view as well.

It was not possible to get an idea of acoustics in the PlayStation Meeting environment, but max power consumption is rated at 310W - we assume that this is the maximum load capable by the PSU, not a typical system draw, bearing in mind that a PC running a Core i7 6700K with a Radeon RX 480 (an upclocked version of the Pro's core GPU tech) draws just 270W in our tests.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-three-hours-with-playstation-4-pro

Full Zen on a APU what the fu** man.? Why in hell you think consoles have Jaguars.? You can't just slap a full size 8 core Zen CPU inside that APU the more GPU grunt the less space for something good,unless MS go the way of the first 360 with separate GPU and CPU i don't see it happening you are too optimistic,a zen variant of a Jaguar sure a full Zen with 8 cores hell no.

Alsto stop using AMD padded benchmarks is a joke when i see it being tested by a PC site i believe it.

@tormentos: it would be Zen lite, which is supposedly coming after the desktop variants...

The power consumption of the initial PlayStation 3 units based on 90 nm Cell CPU ranges from 170–200 W during normal use, despite having a 380 W power supply. 200 watts is for the entire machine.

For PS4 Pro, the power consumption is up to 310 watts.

USB 3.0 and 3.1 both support the USB Power Delivery specification, which supports a maximum of 20 volts at 5 amps for a total of 100 watts of power(1).

310 watts - USB3's 100 watts = 210 watts for machine minus USB3's power allocation. PS4 Pro has exceeded the original PS3's 200 watts.

1. http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/what-is-usb-3-1-when-will-it-be-released-and-what-will-it-do-for-pcs/

Per clock cycle, AMD Jaguar has superior 3D particle movement over AMD Piledriver/Streamroller.

ZEN has 2X the FPU hardware over Jaguar.

ZEN has 2X the Integer hardware over Jaguar.

ZEN has 2X the Load units over Jaguar.

ZEN has 2X the instruction issue per cycle over Jaguar.

Polaris 10 has 232 mm^2 chip area.

14 or 16 nm FinFET 130 mm^2 is NOT 8 core Jaguar.

Each Jaguar core consumes 3.1 mm^2 at 28 nm process tech you fool.

http://digiworthy.com/2016/08/30/amd-zen-die-size-details-on-quad-core-unit/

14 nm FinFET ZEN core size is ~4.9 mm^2 or ~9.8 mm^2 with 28 nm process tech.

For late 2017, PC has "ZEN+" i.e. the original ZEN would be pushed as lesser tier IP.

Please man stop posting such bullshit 310watts is the Maximum load of the PSU,how the fu** a laptop Jaguar will draw 310 watts with a water down 480,the Jaguar is like 25 watts man.

Stop being a blind fanboy for once 310 is the maximum the machine can pull from the PSU not typical use,just like the PS3 was 380 watts but used way less.

Second what the fu** will draw 100 watts from USB ports.? The PS4 camera will now,neither will VR which has its own power box,this is another case of you arguing shit you should not and posting the same bullshit crap you always do,100 watts is the maximum USB3 will pull,not what devices connected to it will draw.

Just for example the Playstation eye camera is 5volts max 500ma.. lol

Not even close to 100 watts,you again are arguing shit you should now maximum TDP is not indicative of normal power consumption and YOU KNOW IT STOP PLAYING STUPID TO WIN THE ARGUMENT.

Until i see sites testing it those are AMD padded numbers and is not the first time they do a test to somehow show how great their product is yet that test can never be replicated by sites.

Again 8 core Zen inside Scorpio is a big no no,and MS would be bragging to HELL and Beyond about it already,don't be surprise to see Jaguar again inside Scorpio.

MS would be bragging about it by now,i think the whole silence on the CPU is because they cheapen out on it considering that you can't just slap any CPU with 6TF GPU and expect it to work on a APU,is the reason AMD APU for PC suck.

cows getting REKT and tormentos has a breakdown

lmao

i think even a pentium 4 is faster than those tablet cpus inside these consoles

for cows having just had a huge Sony press conference with new hardware all they want to do is talk about scorpio.

This alt bait thread cant even be serious.

@xantufrog: The Cell did take a while for the developers to understand to a point where they could develop some great games, but it did work out in the end. Microsoft's timeline isn't 1-2 years, it's probably more like 6-7 years, so for them to develop a Cell-like processor would be a great idea, given it has the same amount untapped power.

I think I probably shouldn't have brought the Cell into this - my point is that it would cost more than the GPU could justify (because the GPU would be a bottleneck), and it would destroy the cost-effective BC plan MS is rolling with. People will not be happy if their X1 games run like poo, if at all, on a Scorpio because it has some proprietary architecture. It's going to be a semi-vanilla x86 8 Core AMD processor - mark my words

No there is more to CPU than speed you should know that,the xbox 360 CPU is 3 cores 6 threads 3.2ghz that should be more than enough to beat that Jaguar if the CPU in question was a i3 or i5 but since it is and old design that Jaguar has enough power and efficiency to shit on the xbox 360 CPU.

In Fact that Jaguar can emulate the xbox 360 CPU without problems,the pentium 4 is to old for that job,and lack many instructions sets vs that Jaguar.

DERP!

PS4 Pro is larger than the original PS4 i.e. the original PS4 measured 275.1 x 305.1 x 53.1mm, while the Pro measures 295 x 327 x 55mm

The original PS4 has power consumption reaching 151 watts (one controller, Killzone SF) with 250 watt PSU. IF the ratio is kept, 310 watts / 1.67 = ~187 watts.

Added USB 3.1 ports e.g

3X 10 watts ports and it ends up with 217 watts which still exceeds the original PS3's 200 watts

3X 15 watts ports and it ends up with 232 watts which still exceeds the original PS3's 200 watts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#PD

232 watts / 310 watts = 75 percent PSU efficiency.

Sony was silent about PS4's TrueAudio until R9-290X's reveal. Year 2017 is the year when AMD reveals APUs with ZEN.

The reason why current AMD PC APUs are inferior to XBO and PS4 are due to the following

1. Excavator being larger than Jaguar.

2. 8 CU equipped GPU.

3. ~256 mm^2 chip area size.

4. 128 bit DDR3 limitations

@chriscoolguy: I hate to break it to you, but this is the only thing that will stand up to the power of the Scorpio.

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/s824l/browse.html

The 8247-24L3 is ALMOST equal, but to be sure, I would go with the 8247-42L2

NO you are the stupid you blind moron,max TDP has shit to do with normal usage consumption,again the PS3 had a 380 watts PSU yet used between 170 and 210 watts in fact it uses from half the power of the PSU to a little over half of the total power of the PSU.

Again the PS4 Pro is 310 watts that is the maximum the PSU can output,the PS4 Pro has a Jaguar CPU and a water down RX480.

True audio was supported already by the 7790 bonaire which predates the PS4 release and the R290X as well.

Only you believe that it will be a full zen when MS already claimed 8 cores,if AMD had an APU like that with a CPU that big it would be also on PC.

I have updated my post. You got the old version.

With Doom Vulkan, AMD Athlon 5350 (quad core Jaguar at 2.05 Ghz) bottlenecks R9-290.

The bottleneck with AMD Athlon 5350 with R9-390X OC like solution would be worst.

Scorpio's APU size with Polaris 10 like GPU solution indicates non-Jaguar CPU solution.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-raven-ridge-mainstream-apu-with-zen-cores-due-in-2017/

More AMD road map leaks.

Scorpio's APU is semi-custom from Raven Ridge i.e. Polaris 10 type GPU and two ZEN modules from Raven Ridge hence 8 CPU cores.

Raven Ridge is most likely be Polaris 11 variant with a single ZEN module (quad CPU cores).