XBOX360 Arcade System Leaked (link)

this might be some pretty good competition to the wii if its marketed correctly with the memory cards bundled if someone doesn't have an HD tv this would make sense(also if they don't want demos).Tactis

Wii has no competition. This is just a lame attempt by MS to get some extra cash. And how could MS give Wii a competition? Seriously think about the hugely large library of Games nintendo has at it's disposal that it can put in VC. Then take a look at MS's line up.

And not to mention that the VC was implemented in to the system as it was being built, so it was built to operate and play great etc. This MS arcade was just slapped on because MS wants to try and copy nintendo. Just as Sony copies everyone.

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

Its a sweet deal for the non fanboy.

279.99 + mem card + 5 games.

You need only pick up a 20.00 - 20 gig HDD ( Ebay )and snap - you just got a prmeum for less then 300 bones + you have the free games & mem card ! :)

Though some will still buy a 250.00 nameplate ( Nintendo fanboys )

[QUOTE="Tactis"]this might be some pretty good competition to the wii if its marketed correctly with the memory cards bundled if someone doesn't have an HD tv this would make sense(also if they don't want demos).grandlx2

Wii has no competition. This is just a lame attempt by MS to get some extra cash. And how could MS give Wii a competition? Seriously think about the hugely large library of Games nintendo has at it's disposal that it can put in VC. Then take a look at MS's line up.

And not to mention that the VC was implemented in to the system as it was being built, so it was built to operate and play great etc. This MS arcade was just slapped on because MS wants to try and copy nintendo. Just as Sony copies everyone.

XBL arcade is really very good.

CV: SoTN, MK 3, Street Fighter 2, Sonic 1&2. There are a lot of classic games inluding stuff like Galaga.. and they all play really well with nice HD wide screen set ups. I love Galaga's wide screen set up. The borders look like the old Arcade machines side panels.

You just come off is a nintendo fanboy.

this might be some pretty good competition to the wii Tactis

how?...

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

lordxymor

[QUOTE="lordxymor"]

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

jazreal

But haven't rockstar said they would need a HDD And that GTA would require a HDD, specially to use the expasions microsoft bought? GTA the game most assotiated with casuals in the west.

[QUOTE="Tactis"]this might be some pretty good competition to the wii if its marketed correctly with the memory cards bundled if someone doesn't have an HD tv this would make sense(also if they don't want demos).grandlx2

Wii has no competition. This is just a lame attempt by MS to get some extra cash. And how could MS give Wii a competition? Seriously think about the hugely large library of Games nintendo has at it's disposal that it can put in VC. Then take a look at MS's line up.

And not to mention that the VC was implemented in to the system as it was being built, so it was built to operate and play great etc. This MS arcade was just slapped on because MS wants to try and copy nintendo. Just as Sony copies everyone.

[QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="lordxymor"]

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

lordxymor

But haven't rockstar said they would need a HDD And that GTA would require a HDD, specially to use the expasions microsoft bought? GTA the game most assotiated with casuals in the west.

[QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="lordxymor"]

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

lordxymor

But haven't rockstar said they would need a HDD And that GTA would require a HDD, specially to use the expasions microsoft bought? GTA the game most assotiated with casuals in the west.

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="lordxymor"]

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

Coyo7e

But haven't rockstar said they would need a HDD And that GTA would require a HDD, specially to use the expasions microsoft bought? GTA the game most assotiated with casuals in the west.

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

A free-roaming game requiring more than one disc doesn't make much sense to me.

Meh, to be honest I couldn't be bothered. A console without an HDD is utterly useless to me these days.Tiefster

Ooops - too much to be bothered - :?

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

Coyo7e

If you have a HDD, you can store information about the state you left your "world".

IE: If GTA city has a destructible enviroment, all the buildings you destroid, all the walls you spraypainted, all the people you killed they are saved. You could save those things in a normal files save, but depending on the level of detail and how destructible the enviroment is, it could mean a few GB of data to store.

That's just one possible use beside HDD caching to speed up load and HDD caching of biggest more detailed textures for streaming. Another one I suspect could be used is using the HDD as a paginated memory, but I never programmed a console game before, I don't know how that would bottleneck things.

Anyway, there are several possibilities that would improve the game that are allowed by the precense of the HDD.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

lordxymor

If you have a HDD, you can store information about the state you left your "world".

IE: If GTA city has a destructible enviroment, all the buildings you destroid, all the walls you spraypainted, all the people you killed they are saved. You could save those things in a normal files save, but depending on the level of detail and how destructible the enviroment is, it could mean a few GB of data to store.

That's just one possible use beside HDD caching to speed up load. Another one I suspect could be used is using the HDD as a paginated memory, but I never programmed a console game before, I don't know how that would bottleneck things.

Anyway, there are several possibilities that would improve the game that are allowed by the precense of the HDD.

Improve, or make them unable to release the game? I am searching the press right now on GTA 4 and cant find anything in witch rockstar claims they need the HDD, or even mentions it.

I am curious to see what they said about it though so if anyone has a linkI would appreciate it.

[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

Coyo7e

If you have a HDD, you can store information about the state you left your "world".

IE: If GTA city has a destructible enviroment, all the buildings you destroid, all the walls you spraypainted, all the people you killed they are saved. You could save those things in a normal files save, but depending on the level of detail and how destructible the enviroment is, it could mean a few GB of data to store.

That's just one possible use beside HDD caching to speed up load. Another one I suspect could be used is using the HDD as a paginated memory, but I never programmed a console game before, I don't know how that would bottleneck things.

Anyway, there are several possibilities that would improve the game that are allowed by the precense of the HDD.

Improve, or make them unable to release the game? I am searching the press right now on GTA 4 and cant find anything in witch rockstar claims they need the HDD, or even mentions it.

I am curious to see what they said about it though so if anyone has a linkI would appreciate it.

There's no such thing as being unable to port. Even the NDS could play Halo 3, you'd just need to cut a lot of stuff and adapt the engine like there were no tomorrow but it could be done, would be easier to build it from scratch again, but it could be done.

Isn't it SW rules, if it has the same characters and the same story, the same playing modes its the same game.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="lordxymor"]

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

Technoweirdo

But haven't rockstar said they would need a HDD And that GTA would require a HDD, specially to use the expasions microsoft bought? GTA the game most assotiated with casuals in the west.

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

A free-roaming game requiring more than one disc doesn't make much sense to me.

They could always put the whole map on both disc's and put half of the missions on the first disc, and the other half on the second.

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="lordxymor"]

No HDD?

I thought it was a given MS would start to phase out the core as more and more games were requiring HDD.

jet052006

But haven't rockstar said they would need a HDD And that GTA would require a HDD, specially to use the expasions microsoft bought? GTA the game most assotiated with casuals in the west.

Correct me if I am wrong but the HDD only factors into games as far as storage space right?

If GTA is that big they can just put it on more then one disc.

A free-roaming game requiring more than one disc doesn't make much sense to me.

They could always put the whole map on both disc's and put half of the missions on the first disc, and the other half on the second.

well thats exactly what you would do. The world entire would be on both discs and the story and quests would be split onto several discs.

The voice acting alone takes up a lot of space on a modern game I am sure. And all the cut scenes associated with the story.

They could always put the whole map on both disc's and put half of the missions on the first disc, and the other half on the second.

jet052006

That is true if the data from half the missions were the excedent that couldn't fit in the disc. The data the represents the mission is usually very small, it's mostly scripting text and can be highly compressed, so it take very few MBs. Even voice overs, that usually take a lot of space depending on how many hours of dialog the game has, they can be compressed with highly effecting audio codecs to use just a few hundred MBs per hour of dialog. So mission data including voice dialog audio would take only a few hundred MBs.

If you assume they won't use any FMV, 95% the the game data is textures and audio, and you can't split the textures in multiple discs unless you have areas in the sandbox that aren't accessbible after you move from one disc to another.

[QUOTE="jet052006"]

They could always put the whole map on both disc's and put half of the missions on the first disc, and the other half on the second.

lordxymor

That is true if the data from half the missions were the excedent that couldn't fit in the disc. The data the represents the mission is usually very small, it's mostly scripting text and can be highly compressed, so it take very few MBs. Even voice overs, that usually take a lot of space depending on how many hours of dialog the game has, they can be compressed with highly effecting audio codecs to use just a few hundred MBs per hour of dialog. So mission data including voice dialog audio would take only a few hundred MBs.

If you assume they won't use any FMV, 95% the the game data is textures and audio, and you can't split the textures in multiple discs unless you have areas in the sandbox that aren't accessbible after you move from one disc to another.

Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no.

$199.99??? :D -supercharged-

a $199.99 360 could give nintendo and their wii a run for their money...

This will probably replace core. Would be a good move if it replaced the core sku. Although they better be carefull, they're following in sonys footsteps with this amount of skus.

And about the VC comment, WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANNA PAY TO PLAY A BUNCH OF GAMES I ALREADY OWN ON THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM!

VC is ****. At least the majority of the MP arcade games are new.

Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no.

Pripyat

Shenmue is filled with dialogs and FMV movies, plus back then compression wasn't as good and they didn't have the highly effcient codecs for audio and video we have today.

can someone answer my little simple questions?

What's the difference between the memory card and the hdd?

Is hdd- the hard drive?

What can the hdd do that the memory card can't?

Sorry, I'm not a tech'y.

This will probably replace core. Would be a good move if it replaced the core sku. Although they better be carefull, they're following in sonys footsteps with this amount of skus.

And about the VC comment, WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANNA PAY TO PLAY A BUNCH OF GAMES I ALREADY OWN ON THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM!

VC is ****. At least the majority of the MP arcade games are new.

death1505921

I have no idea why you would want to pay for games you already own, but Virtual Consoleis intended for people who didn't get a chance to play games from previous generations of consoles.

[QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no.

lordxymor

Shenmue is filled with dialogs and FMV movies, plus back then compression wasn't as good and they didn't have the highly effcient codecs for audio and video we have today.

...and your point is?

[QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no.

Pripyat

Shenmue is filled with dialogs and FMV movies, plus back then compression wasn't as good and they didn't have the highly effcient codecs for audio and video we have today.

...and your point is?

My point is: "Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no." is untrue.

[QUOTE="Pripyat"][QUOTE="lordxymor"][QUOTE="Pripyat"]

Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no.

lordxymor

Shenmue is filled with dialogs and FMV movies, plus back then compression wasn't as good and they didn't have the highly effcient codecs for audio and video we have today.

...and your point is?

My point is: "Shenmue on three (or was i four?) discs says no." is untrue.

Reading comprehension FTL.

can someone answer my little simple questions?

What's the difference between the memory card and the hdd?

Is hdd- the hard drive?

What can the hdd do that the memory card can't?

Sorry, I'm not a tech'y.

knufsed

hdd can hold way more memory.

hdd= Hard Disc Drive, there is a small cd/disc in side

memory card is just a small chipset, which is limited, not that limited.

[QUOTE="Tactis"]this might be some pretty good competition to the wii if its marketed correctly with the memory cards bundled if someone doesn't have an HD tv this would make sense(also if they don't want demos).grandlx2

Wii has no competition. This is just a lame attempt by MS to get some extra cash. And how could MS give Wii a competition? Seriously think about the hugely large library of Games nintendo has at it's disposal that it can put in VC. Then take a look at MS's line up.

And not to mention that the VC was implemented in to the system as it was being built, so it was built to operate and play great etc. This MS arcade was just slapped on because MS wants to try and copy nintendo. Just as Sony copies everyone.

lol. You know the xbla was on xbox 1 right ( it was a disc)?