xbox360 beat's ps3 at folding @ home

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39508

IN AN INTERVIEW with the San Jose Mercury News Peter Moore, corporate VP of Microsoft's entertainment business unit admitted that Microsoft was somewhat caught out by Sony's PS3 Folding@Home client. He said even Bill Gates had a conversation about "applying philanthropic processing power to big problems".

But he souldn't resist a jab at Sony's endeavour. "I'm not quite sure yet whether we're seeing real tangible results from the PlayStation 3 Folding@Home initiative," he suggested.

Microsoft knows all the deficiencies of IBM's sluggish in-order triple-core PowerPC that is built inside its own console, and does not want to get soundly beaten by IBM's Cell. However, it is unclear whether the Vole of Redmond is aware that it has something far more powerful inside its own boxes.

The Geforce 7900 inside the PS3 is no match for Xenos in the Xbox. Even the Sony Cell would probably end beaten by 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip. Folding@Home is Stream Computing at its finest, and six/seven/eight SPE units can flourish in the CPU. But when compared to the GPU, the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU.

And then Microsoft's marketing machine might get interested in touting Folding@Home for the Xbox 360 console, since it would no longer be a race between a snail and a rabbit, as far as protein folding performance is concerned.

The next question would then be, could Brook get set up running on a Xbox 360 GPU with all the limitations that Microsoft environment is using? µ

Who to believe, Peter Moore, or the guy who is in charge of F@H?

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/05/ps3-beats-xbox-360-in-console-folding-war/ 

You believe peter moore?asdasd

peter moore didnt say this, lol, xbox360 gpu owns cell.

They can talk the talk but this time they will not walk the walk. As in sure they're saying all that stuff, but as someone else said:

The fact that they're not (at least) planning on putting folding at home on the xbox360 means one or more of these:

A) The xbox360 actually isn't better at folding

B) microsoft is too lazy to put folding on the 360 and doesn't want to contribute to helping to find a cure for cancer...  

C) They are worried that the long hours that fold-ers would run their 360 would cause problems with the 360...   

Who to believe, Peter Moore, or the guy who is in charge of F@H?

 

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/05/ps3-beats-xbox-360-in-console-folding-war/ 

asdasd

Ouch. This thread was over before it began.

THE XBOX360 GPU CAN BE USED AND XBOX360 CPU, BOTH COMBINED WOULD STOMP CELLS ASSS IN FOLDING.bobogoeroeofog

    That is not what the man behind Folding@home says. That is only what a man with something invested in the 360 says. 

[QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"]THE XBOX360 GPU CAN BE USED AND XBOX360 CPU, BOTH COMBINED WOULD STOMP CELLS ASSS IN FOLDING.SpruceCaboose

    That is not what the man behind Folding@home says. That is only what a man with something invested in the 360 says. 

The Geforce 7900 inside the PS3 is no match for Xenos in the Xbox. Even the Sony Cell would probably end beaten by 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip. Folding@Home is Stream Computing at its finest, and six/seven/eight SPE units can flourish in the CPU. But when compared to the GPU, the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU

sorry, ownage denied, folding at home people dont know 360 gpu architecture.

[QUOTE="asdasd"]

Who to believe, Peter Moore, or the guy who is in charge of F@H?

 

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/05/ps3-beats-xbox-360-in-console-folding-war/ 

The_Game21x

Ouch. This thread was over before it began.

    Hey bobo....

PS3 ONLY HAS 1 CPU, xbox 360 has 3 cpu's

bobogoeroeofog

    Should the 360 use all three of its CPUs? That would help, right? :lol:

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"]THE XBOX360 GPU CAN BE USED AND XBOX360 CPU, BOTH COMBINED WOULD STOMP CELLS ASSS IN FOLDING.bobogoeroeofog

That is not what the man behind Folding@home says. That is only what a man with something invested in the 360 says.

The Geforce 7900 inside the PS3 is no match for Xenos in the Xbox. Even the Sony Cell would probably end beaten by 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip. Folding@Home is Stream Computing at its finest, and six/seven/eight SPE units can flourish in the CPU. But when compared to the GPU, the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU

sorry, ownage denied, folding at home people dont know 360 gpu architecture.

Folding at home people know more than you or the guy who said that. And they are the most non-bias. So I'm still going with the ps3. Plus if the 360 is suppose to be so much better, why isn't MS not planning on putting it on the 360? It has triple the number of console out there than the ps3!!! Are they too lazy to contributing in helping to find a cure for cancer? I seriously doubt 360 users use they're 360 while they sleep...  

I beg to differSpruceCaboose

/pwned

all the lemmings are ignoring this link 

Folding at home people know more than you or the guy who said that. And they are the most non-bias. So I'm still going with the ps3. Plus if the 360 is suppose to be so much better, why isn't MS not planning on putting it on the 360? It has triple the number of console out there than the ps3!!! Are they too lazy to contributing in helping to find a cure for cancer? I seriously doubt 360 users use they're 360 while they sleep...

munu9

    With the Red Ring issue, I wouldn't leave my 360 on all night.

[QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"]THE XBOX360 GPU CAN BE USED AND XBOX360 CPU, BOTH COMBINED WOULD STOMP CELLS ASSS IN FOLDING.munu9

That is not what the man behind Folding@home says. That is only what a man with something invested in the 360 says.

The Geforce 7900 inside the PS3 is no match for Xenos in the Xbox. Even the Sony Cell would probably end beaten by 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip. Folding@Home is Stream Computing at its finest, and six/seven/eight SPE units can flourish in the CPU. But when compared to the GPU, the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU

sorry, ownage denied, folding at home people dont know 360 gpu architecture.

Folding at home people know more than you or the guy who said that. And they are the most non-bias. So I'm still going with the ps3. Plus if the 360 is suppose to be so much better, why isn't MS not planning on putting it on the 360? It has triple the number of console out there than the ps3!!! Are they too lazy to contributing in helping to find a cure for cancer? I seriously doubt 360 users use they're 360 while they sleep...  

no, you arent getting the point, ps3 is better at folding than xbox360 just using the CPU only, fold at home peopel only compare xbox360 cpu xenon folding performance to cell, if folding at home people used xenos xbox360 GPU, for folding instead of cpu, xbox360 would stomp ps3 in folding, since 360 gpu can act as cpu for processing a.i/physics etc.

"the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU"

ouch 

no, you arent getting the point, ps3 is better at folding than xbox360 just using the CPU only, fold at home peopel only compare xbox360 cpu xenon folding performance to cell, if folding at home people used xenos xbox360 GPU, for folding instead of cpu, xbox360 would stomp ps3 in folding, since 360 gpu can act as cpu for processing a.i/physics etc.

bobogoeroeofog

    How would a 500 MHz GPU help folding? Its a good GPU, but it is not even close to equivalent to a CPU.

[QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"]

no, you arent getting the point, ps3 is better at folding than xbox360 just using the CPU only, fold at home peopel only compare xbox360 cpu xenon folding performance to cell, if folding at home people used xenos xbox360 GPU, for folding instead of cpu, xbox360 would stomp ps3 in folding, since 360 gpu can act as cpu for processing a.i/physics etc.

SpruceCaboose

    How would a 500 MHz GPU help folding? Its a good GPU, but it is not even close to equivalent to a CPU.

LOL, it's more powerful than cpu.

plus using xbox360 gpu/cpu both programmed used for folding really would own ps3 fact people sorry, ps3 isnt more powerful, because rsx cant be used as cpu.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"]

no, you arent getting the point, ps3 is better at folding than xbox360 just using the CPU only, fold at home peopel only compare xbox360 cpu xenon folding performance to cell, if folding at home people used xenos xbox360 GPU, for folding instead of cpu, xbox360 would stomp ps3 in folding, since 360 gpu can act as cpu for processing a.i/physics etc.

bobogoeroeofog

How would a 500 MHz GPU help folding? Its a good GPU, but it is not even close to equivalent to a CPU.

LOL, it's more powerful than cpu.

plus using xbox360 gpu/cpu both programmed used for folding really would own ps3 fact people sorry, ps3 isnt more powerful, because rsx cant be used as cpu.

GPUs have for quite sometime been way more powerful then CPUs, its alittle known fact known to pretty much anyone with alittle tech knowledge. 

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="bobogoeroeofog"]THE XBOX360 GPU CAN BE USED AND XBOX360 CPU, BOTH COMBINED WOULD STOMP CELLS ASSS IN FOLDING.bobogoeroeofog

That is not what the man behind Folding@home says. That is only what a man with something invested in the 360 says.

The Geforce 7900 inside the PS3 is no match for Xenos in the Xbox. Even the Sony Cell would probably end beaten by 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip. Folding@Home is Stream Computing at its finest, and six/seven/eight SPE units can flourish in the CPU. But when compared to the GPU, the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU

sorry, ownage denied, folding at home people dont know 360 gpu architecture.

Folding at home people know more than you or the guy who said that. And they are the most non-bias. So I'm still going with the ps3. Plus if the 360 is suppose to be so much better, why isn't MS not planning on putting it on the 360? It has triple the number of console out there than the ps3!!! Are they too lazy to contributing in helping to find a cure for cancer? I seriously doubt 360 users use they're 360 while they sleep...

no, you arent getting the point, ps3 is better at folding than xbox360 just using the CPU only, fold at home peopel only compare xbox360 cpu xenon folding performance to cell, if folding at home people used xenos xbox360 GPU, for folding instead of cpu, xbox360 would stomp ps3 in folding, since 360 gpu can act as cpu for processing a.i/physics etc.

No, you're still not getting my main point sure the 360 could beat the ps3 in folding but... well... just read the bolded text. And seriously, nobody really knows how the 360's GPU would stack against the cell in overall folding and nobody will know until microsoft actually starts using the xenos for folding; so that argument seems pretty irrelivant

How would a 500 MHz GPU help folding? Its a good GPU, but it is not even close to equivalent to a CPU.

SpruceCaboose

"The use of graphics cards and specialized processors built into video game systems is part of a High-Performance project that increases processing 20-40x over a conventional CPU"

"In the PS3 FAQ for FAH, it states, "Using the Cell processor of the PS3, we should be able to do more folding than what one could do on a PC." That's a far cry from a 20-40x speedup that is expected in a GPU."

"Interestingly, NVidia's GPUs are not currently set to be used for this project as stated by FAH: "...we have now concentrated on ATI GPU's as they allow for significant performance increases for FAH over NVIDIA's GPU's " - geek.com

GPUs have for quite sometime been way more powerful then CPUs, its alittle known fact known to pretty much anyone with alittle tech knowledge.

Zenkuso

    They are powerful, yes, but in very specific ways, and not in general computing. A drag racer is faster, but does that make it better for highway driving? 

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

How would a 500 MHz GPU help folding? Its a good GPU, but it is not even close to equivalent to a CPU.

Mystery_Writer

"The use of graphics cards and specialized processors built into video game systems is part of a High-Performance project that increases processing 20-40x over a conventional CPU"

"In the PS3 FAQ for FAH, it states, "Using the Cell processor of the PS3, we should be able to do more folding than what one could do on a PC." That's a far cry from a 20-40x speedup that is expected in a GPU."

"Interestingly, NVidia's GPUs are not currently set to be used for this project as stated by FAH: "...we have now concentrated on ATI GPU's as they allow for significant performance increases for FAH over NVIDIA's GPU's " - geek.com

    I was wrong on that one. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I was unaware that folding used GPUs.