Xbox360 "Current Gen" or "Last Gen on Steroids"

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i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

armymen4

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

EDIT: I forgot to mention another one of the biggest points also, the lack of built in wifi.

How about current gen?UssjTrunks

They didn't add hddvd because that would really force developers to draw a line in the sand- it's expensive enough for a developer to manufacture one new format and post them out to stores let alone two.

In contrast dvds are cheaper to make, a completly proven format and compression technolagy is far beyond that of other previous formats.

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[QUOTE="armymen4"]

i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

armymen4

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

The problem is ..... MS did not choose HD DVD format for 360 at all, it was just an optionmal add on, and has nothing to do with 360 gaming from day one

BTW the GAMING hardware in 360 is far ahead of PS3 hardware,with more RAM, DX9.5 GPU, EDRAM, and 3 core CPU

PS3 has only one core CPU, less ram, and a DX9 only GPU, so if something is last gen, that is PS3, as far as games go

Of course in MOVIES, PS3 is next gen, 360 is behind, but i do not buy consoles as movie players

Well graphics are starting to plateu in my opinion, however iam running off a SD TV. EmperorZeruel

SD is only good for WII... Otherwise, on a HDTV.. Graphics wise, Xbox and the PS3 have quite a ways to go toplateauin the graphics department. The software side of the next generation still hasn't been maxed out. Graphics depend just as much from the gaming engines behind the games as the video card does.

PS3: IBM designed CPU, nVidia designed GPU, Rambus designed RAM, Linux based OS.

Xbox 360: IBM designed CPU, ATI designed GPU, GDDR3 (video memory) RAM, Windows based OS.

Wii: IBM designed CPU, ATI designed GPU, NEC/MoSys based RAM, Linux Based OS.

Which was was the high-end computer stuffed into a box again?

at the time of release it was considered high endarmymen4

I guess you didnt get the context of my post.

ALL 3 systems are nothing more than PC hardware stuck into a box. Theres nothing "next-gen" about any of them based on your definitions.

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[QUOTE="armymen4"]

i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

armymen4

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

MS is not struggling from dvd9 limitations though. Infact the read speed is much faster on dvd9 than on a bluray disc which is causing Sony to have manditory installs onto the hard drive of their console. Technically, this means that Sony PS3 is struggling from the limitations of their firstgen bluray players.

The main reason HDDVD was not primary for the 360 is that it would have driven the cost of the console too high, and then they would have been plagued with the problems PS3 had at the start of it's release with prices and availability. If a ame comes on multiple discs, who cares, i'd rather play that then wait 25-30 minutes for a hard drive install, especially once you fill the small 40gb hard drive with 8 games, and have to start deleting games to try new ones. The whole purpose of a consoel is to put the disc in and start playing not install.. thats a PC thing.

The Xbox 360 has wireless controllers but it doesn't have wifi...:?

[QUOTE="armymen4"]

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[QUOTE="armymen4"]

i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

saolin323

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

The problem is ..... MS did not choose HD DVD format for 360 at all, it was just an optionmal add on, and has nothing to do with 360 gaming from day one

BTW the GAMING hardware in 360 is far ahead of PS3 hardware,with more RAM, DX9.5 GPU, EDRAM, and 3 core CPU

PS3 has only one core CPU, less ram, and a DX9 only GPU, so if something is last gen, that is PS3, as far as games go

Of course in MOVIES, PS3 is next gen, 360 is behind, but i do not buy consoles as movie players

[QUOTE="armymen4"]

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[QUOTE="armymen4"]

i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

Phazevariance

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

MS is not struggling from dvd9 limitations though. Infact the read speed is much faster on dvd9 than on a bluray disc which is causing Sony to have manditory installs onto the hard drive of their console. Technically, this means that Sony PS3 is struggling from the limitations of their firstgen bluray players.

The main reason HDDVD was not primary for the 360 is that it would have driven the cost of the console too high, and then they would have been plagued with the problems PS3 had at the start of it's release with prices and availability. If a ame comes on multiple discs, who cares, i'd rather play that then wait 25-30 minutes for a hard drive install, especially once you fill the small 40gb hard drive with 8 games, and have to start deleting games to try new ones. The whole purpose of a consoel is to put the disc in and start playing not install.. thats a PC thing.

[QUOTE="armymen4"]

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[QUOTE="armymen4"]

i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

saolin323

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

The problem is ..... MS did not choose HD DVD format for 360 at all, it was just an optionmal add on, and has nothing to do with 360 gaming from day one

BTW the GAMING hardware in 360 is far ahead of PS3 hardware,with more RAM, DX9.5 GPU, EDRAM, and 3 core CPU

PS3 has only one core CPU, less ram, and a DX9 only GPU, so if something is last gen, that is PS3, as far as games go

Of course in MOVIES, PS3 is next gen, 360 is behind, but i do not buy consoles as movie players

so truth

wow... now I've seen it all... So the console with the best games and most advanced online is somehow lasat gen... What exactly has sony done to be this gen? If anything the output of sony's latest entertainment console is still stuck with unoriginal lackluster games by comparison and a sub par online service...

Last Gen: Sony by currant standards...

ps3 has xdr ram @ 3.2ghz 360 ram is only 700mhz . the cell has 8 spes thats more powerful then 3 cores . 360 only have a intergrated graphics card .deadmeat59

Right, but PS3's XDR RAM is only 64-bits wide in comparison to 128-bits. And right, your comparing "8-cores" to 3? As a whole they may be more powerful for certain things, but individually they aren't as versatile or as powerful as a full core.

What does that bolded part mean? They both have stationary graphics processors...

My gripe is that the PS3 is using an introductory Bluray. I.e X2.

More and more games will require installations due to the Bluray speed. Besides if its endless cut scene after cutscene then it does make you think what the bluray is really for. I am sure in 2 years things will be different. And you wonder why Crysis is only 6GB?? Maybe it doesen't need endless cutscenes or uncompressed audio to make a game.

Lost Odyssey i am looking at you. Who knows what Final Fantasy will look like or even play like??

And yes Microsoft should of gone with HDDVD but so far the games have not suffered.

Oh and lets not forget development time. Who is going to spend years creating a huge game only for bluray?? Not EA or Ubisoft or any other company that is in it to make money. Instead uncompression is the order of the day oh and a 30 minute installation process. Shocking of course.

This format will come into its own but its debateable if the ps3 and its x2 bluray really is the next generation.

The Xbox 360 has wireless controllers but it doesn't have wifi...:?

Hexagon_777

yes it does, you just need to pay $100 more to get it. congratulations on milking me microsoft

The 360 is just a slightly upgraded XBOX with the only real difference was a supposedly better DVD format that held a little more data (supposedly).

The PS3 has the latest cell that can handle a lot more data that a multi-core processor. The Blu-Ray speed really is faster than the the DVD9 at certain places. The Blu-Ray speed is constant all the way across the drive while the DVD9 speed varies a good deal from the center to the outer edge. The 360 wireless controller still uses the old RF technology which is very very old technology and unless you buy batteries in bulk you need a charge and play add-on, where the PS3 uses a wireless controller that has a rechagable battery built in it and uses Blu-Tooth technology. The Blu-Tooth technology that the controller uses also allows any Blu-Tooth accessory to be used on the console (up to seven controllers or any combination of any other Blu-tooth accessories on a single console) including headphones, headsets, Blu-Tooth keyboards, and just about anything else that uses Blu-Tooth (Blu-Tooth can control the system from anywhere within a resonable range even through walls). All SKU's come with standard HDD.

There is a huge difference in the two systems and the technology in the PS3 is just now being realized and developers are just now learninig to develope for it. Where the 360 developers have been using the same basic technology for years.

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[QUOTE="armymen4"]

i cannot figure this out for the life of me? microsoft is struggleing behind the limitations of dvd9, and with blu ray winning the format war, i cannot figure out why they did not just use hddvd as its primary gaming format? they could have gotten better quality, and more content, plus i can picture in my mind what the game boxes would look like. couldnt you? i think it would look pretty tight, like the red HDDVD boxes except green. it would be one of those small factors to look foreward too when purchasing a new console. you know what im talking about, like small trivial factors can easily play a role in the descision. i just cant figure out why they didnt use this as their gaming medium, it just doesnt make sense. yes i know blu ray won the format war, but microsoft still backs hddvd, and they did when the 360 came out. i think that was one instance of microsoft not thinking "next gen" and instead, thinking "last gen on steroids". i still think they should have used it.

armymen4

Above quote taken from my thread about: Why didnt MS use HDDVD as their primary format?

I think this move was very "Last Gen" of microsoft. The only thing they improved on was graphics. there is more to this gen than beter graphics. their designt was also last gen, i mean trying to stuff a high-end computer into a previous generation console box to be stuffed on someones dresser in a confined space, was very last gen of them, nevertheless, i still am going to buy a 360, just for the games.

EDIT: I forgot to mention another one of the biggest points also, the lack of built in wifi.

I know why because bill gates(Microsoft) is a money hungry idiot. They rushed the xbox360 onto the market so they could get an advantage in sales although this is working so far they forgot to look a couple years down the road if they added HD-DVD this format would of won and they could be taking advantage of blu-rays lose. also since they rushed 360 it had a major failure rate with the RROD...i dont understand why people are still buying this **** box

While I dont think DVD9 is that big o' deal, it is pretty crazy to compare the 360 to last gen systems.

Overpriced memory cards - no one uses 'em.

No HDMI ports on the first models - a "next gen afterthought"

No HDDVD - Probably a good move for immediate launch, but now it's looking dated.

No WiFi - C'mon, MS is just being cheap here.

No Media Card Readers - Eh.

Corded controllers for Core - not really a bad thing, but a last gen deal anyway

To say it's a last gen system on steriods is an exaggeration, but I think it's somewhat fitting nonetheless. I mean, the 360 is a next gen system no doubt, but comparing it to the PS3 and Wii even, it seems like a last gen system with next gen graphics.