Y or N: Most Nintendo achievements are "for Nintendo"

Great online.... For Nintendo

Great graphics... For Nintendo

Great story... For Nintendo

Most people I talked to in real life agreed. One person said that Nintendo is essentially the old grandpa. Oh, grandpa crapped his pants, well he's old. Or, wow Grandpa ate all his lima beans today. He's doing well.

Usually, the only way to be impressed with a Nintendo game is by comparing them to other Nintendo games.

Agree or disagree?

Disagree. Meeting adjourned.

Great gameplay...that's all that matters.

Nintendo does their own thing, why would they make some wanky shooter with fancy graphics a complex story and online when you have that coming out every other week on the other consoles? What would be their unique selling point then? They make games that are fun, that are well designed, that are inventive, and thank God for that.

That's pretty much the default excuse. Dated production value. No meaningful story. No online play. Well, it's a gameplay-game.

Especially when most of Nintendo's games follow the same formula and there's rarely gameplay innovation.

No meaningful storylines? Thats quite ignorant to say. No online play!!? **** the gameplay, I want something pretty to look at.

For a first party dev. Nintendo actaully innovates their IPs more than MS an Sony.

For Nintendo

Oooh snap!!! It's true.

If Mario Kart and Pokemon weren't so popular, we'd criticize them for abusing the formula.

Its more like you critizice Nintendo because is the cool thing to do.

There less or the same Mario Karts per console than Forza or GT. And MK changes more between games than any of those two.

I completely disagree. They easily produce some of the strongest gameplay, level design, and challenge in the industry regardless of any standards. I own all three last gen consoles and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Nintendo had by far the best first party content of the three, but that's mostly because I favor gameplay, level design, and challenge above all else.

With Sony's first party it's generally the opposite. "that game had good gameplay... For a Sony game". They have such a bad track record for that these days with games like Uncharted, God of War, Puppeteer, Heavy Rain, LittleBigPlanet, Playstation All-Star Battle Royale, etc.I will say that inFAMOUS and Ratchet and Clank are their exceptions though.

I'd also add God of War to their exceptions list, but I do agree.

The mental gymnastics people go through to excuse Nintendo always intrigues me. The only reason people drone on about their gameplay is because it's something intangeable that cannot be quantified or proven. The same reason they claim only Nintendo games are fun titles, as if we play games for any other reason.

Yes, the "for Nintendo" phenomena exists, and it shouldn't.

As far as it goes, yeah, sheep do definitely judge Nintendo in their own bubble. Gotta love Nintendo's "unique differences", even when that manifests as inferior graphics, inferior sound, inferior online, inferior account system, inferior 3rd party support and inferior media features.

Lol. Typical bullshit response, addressing an argument he didn't make. Where did he say they should make a "wanky shooter"?

I do want to note that there are often times that Nintendo does rise above low expectations. The 3D Mario games are a big example, but all of Nintendo's other teams combined don't have the 3d mario team's creativity

Not sure what the argument is.

You should probably be a bit more clear.

That if we're being perfectly honest with ourselves, Pikmin 3 isn't a visual achievement, Pokemon X/Y's dedication to online is the bare minimum we should expect for online, and also Nintendo should stop pretending their too cool to tell a good story.

Agreed. Its the truth.
The only defense Nintendo fans have 'gameplay' and 'fun' which can be found in ALL games.

You cant compare Pikmin graphics to Crysis 3.
You cant compare a Mario story to The Witcher 2
You cant compare Pokemon online to DOTA2.
And so on.

Nintendo only does Nintendo. Like it or not, they aim to please the youngsters and casuals.. and most of all, hitting those nostalgic elements.
Personally, I had more fun in Team Fortress 2, Counterstrike + mods, Little Big Planet, GTA4 and more, than any Nintendo game ever made.

Or maybe the games are legitimately good?

Shocking concept I know

Well first off, Not every game can be a Crisis. Pikmin 3 is just nice to look at. No one said it was going to be "Graphics King".

Pokemon X and Y's online is actually INCREDIBLE. Unless you were expecting MMO quality which is not what they had in mind for X and Y.

and thirdly, Not Every in House Game Developer has to make a game in line of Naughty Dog's Masterpieces. Zelda has a great Story Line, Have you even played Skyward Sword? That's the first Zelda game I have ever played since first playing Ocarina of Time on the N64 where I felt a NEED to Save Zelda.

Metroid Other M was a VERY cinematic game almost in line with what I experienced in playing Metal Gear, and Fire Emblem is just great! Of course I could go into Xenoblade and The Last Story, but I think you get the picture here.

Although none of these games I have mentioned are in any way shape or form compared to The Last of Us or something, but they can be compared to games like Final Fantasy or Metal Gear or even God of War for that matter.

1. Graphics: sure I guess, since other AAA devs moved to X1 and PS4, but it's a very blurry issue: when you go to make a game, you decide on the style you want to make it. Do you want it realistic, artsy, or cartoonish? I think comparing the graphics of a Artistic game and Realistic game is incalculable. Apples and oranges, nearly every one of Nintendo's franchises goes for artistic style graphics. So saying Nintendo has their own "standard" in the graphics dept is kinda dumb.

2. Story: where did you go to assume this? Look, not every game is supposed to have an engaging storyline. Mario sets up what has happened in the beginning, and then you finish it at the end. Animal Crossing... There is no story. But for the other franchises, I am just confused on how you made that approach considering many of the franchises hasn't had new games since the GC days. But from games like Zelda, Xenoblade, and Kid Icarus, these games are focused on delivering an engaging story. Nothing Nintendo about it,unless you compare it to previous entries. But you're not, you're trying to stereotype it under a Nintendo mediocrity. So let me go into detail: The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword,out of anything, was not criticized for its story, and neither was GOTY A Link Between Worlds. Onto Kid Icarus, its attempts at humor actually was funny, unlike many games in the industry today. And Xenoblade Chronicles dramatic storyline had me at the edge of my seat, especially with the many betrayals there are in the game. So saying Nintendo has their own standard when it comes to story: hell no. Get your a** off the Mario train and recognize other franchises for once.

Online play: I don't know what you're trying to argue here.

Because, you know, not like you're stopping since they are popular. Hell, CoD is popular and that hasn't stopped from getting the numerous amount of criticism after Modern Warfare.

Most popular games get shit on honestly.

True, but like I was saying to drekula, just because games are popular, doesn't mean they aren't being criticized. Not sure why he's saying that as if no one criticizes Nintendo's "triforce".

So how do you fit an epic story or online into most Nintendo games? Should Zelda have online? Should Mario try and do more with it's story like the masterpiece that was Knack? Maybe you could throw a load of story into Metroid, oh wait, they did that and everybody hated it.

Nintendo is definitely behind the times with their hardware (which in turn causes lackluster graphics) and it's the reason their console have been getting terrible third party support, but their big games have always been great fun and not just by "Nintendo's standards".

In order to be impressed with a Nintendo game, one would need to be impressed with the company & the console they produce. So far many are not that impressed. Nintendo games will get compared to Playstation games. People always measure against the best.

Disagree. Nintendo does make games that have good stories(Fire Emblem for example) & graphics(For the hardware) Giving them shit because they can't overcome hardware limitations is a bunch of crock btw. I think the problem with online is way over exaggerated but it does actually have problems. By over exaggerated I mean people pretend it doesn't even exist.

It's a mixed bag with Nintendo.

Their studios put out titles that have outstanding quality to them. They consistently score well, and only the biggest of fanboys would attribute that to some sort of bias for them.

That being said, Nintendo games seem to lack modern touches that other developers have transitioned to. Where is the voice acting? Where is the online play for titles with multiplayer? Their company seems to refuse to modernize to a degree.

I would hate to see Nintendo exit the video game industry. They have amazing talent. They just seem to be isolated in a global market.

So how about when Nintendo puts out some of highest rated games EVERY generation? When they put out games that define genres? Or when they put out games that outsell other 1st party studios by a good margin and most 3rd parties as well? Or how they've proven longevity in a console market of sharks? Or how they've proven to be among the best in the world at re-inventing IP. Or how they pretty much invented and still dominate the handheld market to this day? Or how they laid the groundwork for what is now the standard controller and still innovate while others imitate their past innovations?

Good enough idea for a SW topic I guess, but you'd have to ignore a whole list of things to agree with it. This same argument could be easily applied to Sony and MS just with different examples.

They had 2 generations where Playstation didnt exist and they have only beat Playstation once due to luck and Sony overpricing the PS3. Gamers are still buying PS3 games, Wii games not so much.

It's more that they have their own way of doing things. They're not as affected by whatever the current gaming trend is.

A while ago it was HD and robust online, recently there's been an increased focus on storytelling and also micro-transactions.

Nintendo is just being Nintendo. They've made games with great local co-op, great platformers, garden-themed RTSs ... Nintendo things.,

@trugs26:

The stories in most Nintendo games are actually quite good, maybe not always emotionally compelling, but written very well and enjoyable (especially their rpg's).

graphics are another thing, are we saying that Nintendo lacks the talent to make great looking games (which everyone knows isnt true), or are we saying that inferior hardware keeps them from making good looking games?

The only thing I can agree on is that Nintendo has a terrible online system.

I don't think you meant to reply to me? Maybe you meant TC instead ("drekula2")

I see where you're going, and in some peoples opinion, I guess so. But with the exception of online, because they don't seem to compete there, I disagree.

@trugs26:

yeah i didn't, im still not used to going to the end of the page to write a comment.

sorry about that.