Yet another developer bashes devs who complain about the PS3

GI interviews Yosuke Hayashi. This interview was posted on 4/6/2007.

GI: What do you think of the PlayStation 3 as a whole, now that you've had a chance to work with it?

Hayashi: A lot of developers out there talk about how the PS3 is hard to develop for. And I think that that's kind of an affront to the fans, because you paid your money and you own a PS3, and you pay the same money for a PS3 game as you would any other game. That's not really looking at it from a consumer's perspective. The fact of the matter is that the PS3, when pushed to the limits, can do some amazing things, and I'd like to have our game be one of those showcases, for that and say, "Look, this is what you can do with the hardware." I think all those developers who are saying, "We don't want to do a PS3 game," or "It's really difficult to do it," should shut up and make their games. If you have time to complain about it, then you should be spending your time working on getting the most from the hardware. It's really about, at the end of the day, showing what we can do as developers. Nobody is forcing us, nobody is saying, "You have to develop for the PS3." We're doing it because we want to, and because we know that there are people out there who have PS3s, and if we can get them to play our game then our goal is accomplished. We'd like to have Ninja Gaiden Sigma not only be a great game for the consumer but also as a message to the industry, to say, "Look, this can be done in 2007 on this hardware." Hopefully, that can throw out a beacon for the rest of the industry.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200704/N07.0406.1421.46109.htm?Page=1

I love what he said there :lol:

The developers that say it's too hard to develop for and complain about it are missing the point. It sounds like an excuse to the consumer to us.Yosuke Hayashi

Go Hiyashi !

Totally. Developers should totally forgo their budgets and spend all that extra money to figure out how to squeeze the power of complicated game hardware that currently has such a limited user base. Totally. Just shut up and do it.Corvin

:(:?:lol: 

GI interviews Yosuke Hayashi. This interview was posted on 4/6/2007.

GI: What do you think of the PlayStation 3 as a whole, now that you've had a chance to work with it?

Hayashi: A lot of developers out there talk about how the PS3 is hard to develop for. And I think that that's kind of an affront to the fans, because you paid your money and you own a PS3, and you pay the same money for a PS3 game as you would any other game. That's not really looking at it from a consumer's perspective. The fact of the matter is that the PS3, when pushed to the limits, can do some amazing things, and I'd like to have our game be one of those showcases, for that and say, "Look, this is what you can do with the hardware." I think all those developers who are saying, "We don't want to do a PS3 game," or "It's really difficult to do it," should shut up and make their games. If you have time to complain about it, then you should be spending your time working on getting the most from the hardware. It's really about, at the end of the day, showing what we can do as developers. Nobody is forcing us, nobody is saying, "You have to develop for the PS3." We're doing it because we want to, and because we know that there are people out there who have PS3s, and if we can get them to play our game then our goal is accomplished. We'd like to have Ninja Gaiden Sigma not only be a great game for the consumer but also as a message to the industry, to say, "Look, this can be done in 2007 on this hardware." Hopefully, that can throw out a beacon for the rest of the industry.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200704/N07.0406.1421.46109.htm?Page=1

DaddyDC650

Awesome read..thanks..The best devlopers will have no problem with it... and they will always push themself to the limits to be the best..

This guys is full of it! Jack Tretton is signing his pay check. Oh, and GeOW is still better than anything the PS3 is/will be getting.Twisted_Hawk

Fanboyism FTW!

Bravo.....(golf clap)

All challenges like this to other devs will do is make them get off their asses, and wake up the sleeping giant that is the PS3 by mastering the hardware....resulting in some incredible games for us. Sony set the bar high with the advanced technology that is within the PS3, now devs just need to DO THEIR FRIGGIN' JOBS, and learn how to get the most out of what Sony has provided them with.

They should be excited to work with advanced tech like the PS3, instead of just procrastinating that it is "just too difficult." What he is esssentially saying to other devs here is, "look, we can do it, now let us see how far you can take this hardware." It will all of course progress onward from there, and the PS3 will end up having some astounding games as a result. Should be exciting.

This guys is full of it! Jack Tretton is signing his pay check. Oh, and GeOW is still better than anything the PS3 is/will be getting.Twisted_Hawk

See????? I told you guys !!:D

This guys is full of it! Jack Tretton is signing his pay check. Oh, and GeOW is still better than anything the PS3 is/will be getting.Twisted_Hawk

[QUOTE="Twisted_Hawk"]This guys is full of it! Jack Tretton is signing his pay check. Oh, and GeOW is still better than anything the PS3 is/will be getting.ElTioGamboin

For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.project343

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.HunAndras1984

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

[QUOTE="ElTioGamboin"][QUOTE="Twisted_Hawk"]This guys is full of it! Jack Tretton is signing his pay check. Oh, and GeOW is still better than anything the PS3 is/will be getting.Twisted_Hawk

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.HunAndras1984

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

I have a 360, and I chose not to buy the HD-DVD player. Considering that that was my choice, I'd say it's not really b.s.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]Totally. Developers should totally forgo their budgets and spend all that extra money to figure out how to squeeze the power of complicated game hardware that currently has such a limited user base. Totally. Just shut up and do it.FlamingFlamingo

:(:?:lol:

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.HunAndras1984

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

[QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.Twisted_Hawk

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

but it didnt. the game is already short at dvd9

It's funny how some people think the X360 has already been fully taped into, it's as far away from being fully taped into as the PS3. The PS3 is just harder to work with atm.. Lets say a Dev wants to do "X" effect the time it would take hem to do that effet on the PS3 would take more time/work then to do it on X360.

All you Sony fan act like the PS3 is so powerful and you will see games that look better then the top CGI and will hold the holly grail in games. Citizen_Zero

[QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.SeanBond

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

I have a 360, and I chose not to buy the HD-DVD player. Considering that that was my choice, I'd say it's not really b.s.

Yea right! I only choose not the get HD-DVD because it wasn't included in your system and it's $200 wich would make it equal to the PS3's price. But if you get the Elite....$475 I belive pluss $200......wow....that's a price isin't it?  Also if the 360 would have had HD-DVD drive than your games could be bigger in the future...but who cares right? I would love to swich discs between different parts of the city in GTA4...it would be so awsome right?  Anyways....it's BS!! A very big and smelly BS!!

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.HunAndras1984

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

I have a 360, and I chose not to buy the HD-DVD player. Considering that that was my choice, I'd say it's not really b.s.

Yea right! I only choose not the get HD-DVD because it wasn't included in your system and it's $200 wich would make it equal to the PS3's price. But if you get the Elite....$475 I belive pluss $200......wow....that's a price isin't it?  Also if the 360 would have had HD-DVD drive than your games could be bigger in the future...but who cares right? I would love to swich discs between different parts of the city in GTA4...it would be so awsome right?  Anyways....it's BS!! A very big and smelly BS!!

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]It's funny how some people think the X360 has already been fully taped into, it's as far away from being fully taped into as the PS3. The PS3 is just harder to work with atm.. Lets say a Dev wants to do "X" effect the time it would take hem to do that effet on the PS3 would take more time/work then to do it on X360.

All you Sony fan act like the PS3 is so powerful and you will see games that look better then the top CGI and will hold the holly grail in games. ElTioGamboin

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.HunAndras1984

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite. Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

I have a 360, and I chose not to buy the HD-DVD player. Considering that that was my choice, I'd say it's not really b.s.

Yea right! I only choose not the get HD-DVD because it wasn't included in your system and it's $200 wich would make it equal to the PS3's price. But if you get the Elite....$475 I belive pluss $200......wow....that's a price isin't it? Also if the 360 would have had HD-DVD drive than your games could be bigger in the future...but who cares right? I would love to swich discs between different parts of the city in GTA4...it would be so awsome right? Anyways....it's BS!! A very big and smelly BS!!

[QUOTE="ElTioGamboin"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]It's funny how some people think the X360 has already been fully taped into, it's as far away from being fully taped into as the PS3. The PS3 is just harder to work with atm.. Lets say a Dev wants to do "X" effect the time it would take hem to do that effet on the PS3 would take more time/work then to do it on X360.

All you Sony fan act like the PS3 is so powerful and you will see games that look better then the top CGI and will hold the holly grail in games. Citizen_Zero

[QUOTE="ElTioGamboin"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]It's funny how some people think the X360 has already been fully taped into, it's as far away from being fully taped into as the PS3. The PS3 is just harder to work with atm.. Lets say a Dev wants to do "X" effect the time it would take hem to do that effet on the PS3 would take more time/work then to do it on X360.

All you Sony fan act like the PS3 is so powerful and you will see games that look better then the top CGI and will hold the holly grail in games. Citizen_Zero

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="ElTioGamboin"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]It's funny how some people think the X360 has already been fully taped into, it's as far away from being fully taped into as the PS3. The PS3 is just harder to work with atm.. Lets say a Dev wants to do "X" effect the time it would take hem to do that effet on the PS3 would take more time/work then to do it on X360.

All you Sony fan act like the PS3 is so powerful and you will see games that look better then the top CGI and will hold the holly grail in games. DaddyDC650

[QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]

[QUOTE="project343"]For every developer who complains about the PS3's difficult architecture, it seems as if there are 10 who complain about the lack of space on DVDs. Both consoles have their flaws, I suppose.Citizen_Zero

That could have been solved if Microsoft would have inculded the HD-DVD drive in the new black X-box 360 Elite.  Why did they do that? They don't trust HD-DVD now? Or they are still tryeing with the "we give you a choice" argument? (wich is BS btw)

That's a good read, very logical, and very informative.

One thing that it does not mention, though it can easily be concluded, is the benefit to gamers of NOT having to much space for games.  Since MS has developed tools to keep file size lowers and move erroneous junk from the programming, load times will be shorter (in general).  So not only can 99% of HD games still fit on a DVD9, but they will actually run better and faster due to the XNA tools, better compression, and less junk code in the games.  On the flip side, if a developer has 50 GB to store a 8 GB game...  he will have no need to remove junk code.  Perhaps that game could have been reduced to 5GB, and twould then load faster and perhaps run better as well.

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]It's funny how some people think the X360 has already been fully taped into, it's as far away from being fully taped into as the PS3. The PS3 is just harder to work with atm.. Lets say a Dev wants to do "X" effect the time it would take hem to do that effet on the PS3 would take more time/work then to do it on X360.

All you Sony fan act like the PS3 is so powerful and you will see games that look better then the top CGI and will hold the holly grail in games. ElTioGamboin

So being able to develop a game for less money and with less difficulty and with better results is suddenly not reason to make a game for the 360 and not the ps3.

Comparisons of a superior product to an inferior is not an excuse, it's simply an observation.

This guys is full of it! Jack Tretton is signing his pay check. Oh, and GeOW is still better than anything the PS3 is/will be getting.Twisted_Hawk

Heavnely Sword, Uncharted Drakes Fortune, Lair and MGS4 stomp GeoW or anything the 360 has coming from a technical standpoint.

So being able to develop a game for less money and with less difficulty and with better results is suddenly not reason to make a game for the 360 and not the ps3.

Comparisons of a superior product to an inferior is not an excuse, it's simply an observation.

lordseer

The thing is if you put the money and time in it you can do things that the 360 simply isnt capable of thats the whole point.  Hence the reason why Team Ninjas first game on the PS3 makes there 360 efforts look like a joke. 

Hes the games director. If hes not a programmer or has had game programming experience, he really has no justification for saying that.

I also find it ironic he says that if they have time to whine they should have time to develop, but he clearly finds the time to whine about developers who are whining.....Truly an amazing man. 

GI interviews Yosuke Hayashi. This interview was posted on 4/6/2007.

GI: What do you think of the PlayStation 3 as a whole, now that you've had a chance to work with it?

Hayashi: A lot of developers out there talk about how the PS3 is hard to develop for. And I think that that's kind of an affront to the fans, because you paid your money and you own a PS3, and you pay the same money for a PS3 game as you would any other game. That's not really looking at it from a consumer's perspective. The fact of the matter is that the PS3, when pushed to the limits, can do some amazing things, and I'd like to have our game be one of those showcases, for that and say, "Look, this is what you can do with the hardware." I think all those developers who are saying, "We don't want to do a PS3 game," or "It's really difficult to do it," should shut up and make their games. If you have time to complain about it, then you should be spending your time working on getting the most from the hardware. It's really about, at the end of the day, showing what we can do as developers. Nobody is forcing us, nobody is saying, "You have to develop for the PS3." We're doing it because we want to, and because we know that there are people out there who have PS3s, and if we can get them to play our game then our goal is accomplished. We'd like to have Ninja Gaiden Sigma not only be a great game for the consumer but also as a message to the industry, to say, "Look, this can be done in 2007 on this hardware." Hopefully, that can throw out a beacon for the rest of the industry.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200704/N07.0406.1421.46109.htm?Page=1

DaddyDC650

Agreed 1000% 

Most of you are forgetting Media Molecule, which was recently picked up by Sony. They are making LittleBigPlanet. Endfinal

Read this--->http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1132 People who say DVD is not enough for games this gen=OWNED!!!!Citizen_Zero

He does tell them to shut up and make their games, but he does not say the very thing they are complaining about is not true.-The-G-Man-

GI interviews Yosuke Hayashi. This interview was posted on 4/6/2007.

GI: What do you think of the PlayStation 3 as a whole, now that you've had a chance to work with it?

Hayashi: A lot of developers out there talk about how the PS3 is hard to develop for. And I think that that's kind of an affront to the fans, because you paid your money and you own a PS3, and you pay the same money for a PS3 game as you would any other game. That's not really looking at it from a consumer's perspective. The fact of the matter is that the PS3, when pushed to the limits, can do some amazing things, and I'd like to have our game be one of those showcases, for that and say, "Look, this is what you can do with the hardware." I think all those developers who are saying, "We don't want to do a PS3 game," or "It's really difficult to do it," should shut up and make their games. If you have time to complain about it, then you should be spending your time working on getting the most from the hardware. It's really about, at the end of the day, showing what we can do as developers. Nobody is forcing us, nobody is saying, "You have to develop for the PS3." We're doing it because we want to, and because we know that there are people out there who have PS3s, and if we can get them to play our game then our goal is accomplished. We'd like to have Ninja Gaiden Sigma not only be a great game for the consumer but also as a message to the industry, to say, "Look, this can be done in 2007 on this hardware." Hopefully, that can throw out a beacon for the rest of the industry.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200704/N07.0406.1421.46109.htm?Page=1

DaddyDC650

This argument is flawed, I believe the only reason he is making these comments is to score some extra points in the Playstation community as a company who is really turning their development focus toward the PS3, but this is simply an attempt to capitalize on a year old game. Fact of the matter is only smaller companies might have employees that will complain about PS3 development and discourage the company from developing for the Playstation and these companies usually don't have the budget behind PS3 development in the first place so this arugment doesn't apply to them. In the bigger companies you either do the job or will be replaced, the developer doesn't have a say in what platform the company adopts so this argument doesn't apply to them either. Smaller companies don't have the budget to fiddle or develop for the PS3 in the first place and the bigger companies do the job anyways so this argument is irrelevant.

Totally. Developers should totally forgo their budgets and spend all that extra money to figure out how to squeeze the power of complicated game hardware that currently has such a limited user base. Totally. Just shut up and do it.Corvin