Yet another quality Wii game

Jesus, EA. Can you make a good game for Wii please? Seems like your last and best chance is with Medal of Honor Heroes 2.Homesrfan

i bet EA doesn't have much console power on the Wii to work on and to try to rival any real nexgen system

EA make great games just look at the other consoles

i just hope sheep don't come up with the classic excuse about lazy developers

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="bc1391"]Its not the consoles fault the game has poor design decisions, its the developer. You don't see me judging the 360's quality off of Vampires Rain.:?TheJuiceyBar

And thats why Metroid Prime 3, SSBB and SMG look good right? Because the system sucks? Ya, thats what I thought. Tell the lazy ass devs at EA to make a quality game.

How exactly is that the Wii's fault?

So now we're blaming consoles for bad games? Interesting...-The-G-Man-

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]So now we're blaming consoles for bad games? Interesting...l-_-l

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

It doesn't matter. A half-assed game is still a half-assed game, no matter how powerful the system is. If the developer spent more time working with the system's strengths as opposed to just throwing something together and hoping it works, they would've made a game worth playing.

LegendofNerd

If the Wii could actually run the games that they intend to make, they wouldn't have to throw something together to get on the shelves. It's unfair to expect developers to spend twice as much time making two different games just because Nintendo didn't make their hardware up to snuff.

The Wii can have good looking games... if the developer puts forth some effort. Besides, does it really cost twice as much to develop two different versions of the same game? If anything, the Wii version cost MUCH less to make than the other versions, so where does that extra money go? It definitely didn't go into making this a better game, thats for sure...

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]Jesus, EA. Can you make a good game for Wii please? Seems like your last and best chance is with Medal of Honor Heroes 2.molinex

i bet EA doesn't have much console power on the Wii to work on and to try to rival any real nexgen system

EA make great games just look at the other consoles

i just hope sheep don't come up with the classic excuse about lazy developers

Good old lazy developer excuse. Take a look at Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. It may be on the Wii, but it sure isn't a slacker in the visuals department and the gameplay definitely isn't broken like NBA Live 2k8. Why? Because maybe, just maybe, Retro wasn't lazy about it and were dedicated to making it as good as possible? :o

In short, you can still do a lot on the Wii. Developers shouldn't blame the hardware, they should blame themselves.

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

It doesn't matter. A half-assed game is still a half-assed game, no matter how powerful the system is. If the developer spent more time working with the system's strengths as opposed to just throwing something together and hoping it works, they would've made a game worth playing.

LegendofNerd

If the Wii could actually run the games that they intend to make, they wouldn't have to throw something together to get on the shelves. It's unfair to expect developers to spend twice as much time making two different games just because Nintendo didn't make their hardware up to snuff.

The Wii can have good looking games... if the developer puts forth some effort. Besides, does it really cost twice as much to develop two different versions of the same game? If anything, the Wii version cost MUCH less to make than the other versions, so where does that extra money go? It definitely didn't go into making this a better game, thats for sure...

The Wii is getting all these crappy multiplats because developers don't have the time and money to work with it. Do you really think these developers want to create new talented teams just for Wii games? Of course not. That costs a lot of money. If the Wii wasn't so limited they could simply port the games they've already made, but that's not an option.

You can'tput all the blame on lazy developers.If Nintendo had made a more capable machine, they wouldn't have this sort of problem.

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youPdiddy105

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

yeeeeaaah

Super mario galaxy can't come out soon enough :?

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youChiChiMonKilla

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

It's ownage that he thinks the PSP is stronger than Wii? Wtf? :| Well, I guess all there is to do on PSP is surf the web since all the good games are on the DS. :?

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]

It doesn't matter. A half-assed game is still a half-assed game, no matter how powerful the system is. If the developer spent more time working with the system's strengths as opposed to just throwing something together and hoping it works, they would've made a game worth playing.

Gamer556

If the Wii could actually run the games that they intend to make, they wouldn't have to throw something together to get on the shelves. It's unfair to expect developers to spend twice as much time making two different games just because Nintendo didn't make their hardware up to snuff.

The Wii can have good looking games... if the developer puts forth some effort. Besides, does it really cost twice as much to develop two different versions of the same game? If anything, the Wii version cost MUCH less to make than the other versions, so where does that extra money go? It definitely didn't go into making this a better game, thats for sure...

The Wii is getting all these crappy multiplats because developers don't have the time and money to work with it. EXACTLY. Do you really think these developers want to create new talented teams just for Wii games? YES. Of course not. That costs a lot of money. NOT AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU THINK IT DOES. If the Wii wasn't so limited they could simply port the games they've already made, but that's not an option.

You can't put all the blame on lazy developers.YES YOU CAN. If Nintendo had made a more capable machine, they wouldn't have this sort of problem. IF DEVELOPERS WERE MORE CAPABLE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY SORT OF PROBLEMS. EVER.

Let's see... who is more at fault...

Nintendo, who created a relatively easy machine to develop for and is easily capable of generating great visuals and gameplay experiences for.

Or...

The lazy developers, who are looking to make a quick dollar and who rushed an unfinished, unpolished, and virtually unplayable game so that unsuspecting customers will waste their hard-earned money on it.

No matter how you try to spin it, the developers are at fault here. EA made the game terrible, not Nintendo. It's idiotic to blame the system because the developers are inept. The tools are there to use, they just chose to use them poorly.

[QUOTE="bc1391"]TheJuiceyBar

:lol: Since when?!

Whatever.KungfuKitten

You win.

EA Sports?

Pass.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/bombermanactzero/index.html

It's older, but I'm sure you'll get the point TS.

Some Highlights from the review: "Controls don't really work", and "bad graphics".

What a pathetic excuse for a video game console. Stick to minigames.

farrell2k

It's review of the game, not the console. :|

It's a child's console. farrell2k

well, yeah, it is a bit pathetic these days, but let's not be calling it a children's console

Let's see... who is more at fault...

Nintendo, who created a relatively easy machine to develop for and is easily capable of generating great visuals and gameplay experiences for.

Or...

The lazy developers, who are looking to make a quick dollar and who rushed an unfinished, unpolished, and virtually unplayable game so that unsuspecting customers will waste their hard-earned money on it.

No matter how you try to spin it, the developers are at fault here. EA made the game terrible, not Nintendo. It's idiotic to blame the system because the developers are inept. The tools are there to use, they just chose to use them poorly.

LegendofNerd

I dont think you see what devs have to go through. When they make a game for the 360 and PS3 (multiplat) they already have a larger user base than the Wii so thats where their focus is probably going to be. If the Wii wasn't so gimped in hardware the devs could just port the game over without any hassle. But becuase the Wii is gimped they have to make another version, adding more time and money to what they already had to use for the PS3, and Xbox 360 version. Why waste even more time and money for the Wii version when the Xbox 360 /PS3 version could earn them a greater deal of money.

Let's see, it's almost one year now. I remember when sheep were saying that the only reason crap/shovelware was being bombarded onto the Wii was because developers were quickly making ports/transitioning over from the gamecube to the Wii. Well, it's now one year and the 3rd party is still crap and the games have not improved whatsoever. Games like No More Heroes..., I smell a 5.5-6.0 a mile away and other cutesey crap that's been hyped like Dewey is getting sub-par reviews as well. soulsofblayck

I smell games like mass effect and uncharted to be a 5 from miles away aswell:roll:. And the wii has been getting more 3rd party support sinced it launched.

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]

Let's see... who is more at fault...

Nintendo, who created a relatively easy machine to develop for and is easily capable of generating great visuals and gameplay experiences for.

Or...

The lazy developers, who are looking to make a quick dollar and who rushed an unfinished, unpolished, and virtually unplayable game so that unsuspecting customers will waste their hard-earned money on it.

No matter how you try to spin it, the developers are at fault here. EA made the game terrible, not Nintendo. It's idiotic to blame the system because the developers are inept. The tools are there to use, they just chose to use them poorly.

Shift05

I dont think you see what devs have to go through. When they make a game for the 360 and Xbox (multiplat) they already have a larger user base than the Wii so thats where their focus is probably going to be. If the Wii wasn't so gimped in hardware the devs could just port the game over without any hassle. But becuase the Wii is gimped they have to make another version, adding more time and money to what they already had to use for the PS3, and Xbox 360 version. Why waste even more time and money for the Wii version when the Xbox 360 /PS3 version could earn them a greater deal of money.

Well hell, if all consoles and handhelds weren't so gimped in hardware, developers could just port the exact same game to every system. Man, how awesome and cost effective would that be? Please. We're talking EA here. It's not like it's going to spiral their company into bankruptcy if they make another version of a game. They'll still make oodles and oodles of money no matter what they do. Besides, with annual sports games like these, do you honestly think that the developer is going to start from scratch each year on a new engine? No, they'll just use a slightly revamped engine with new little tweaks here and there. Nothing earth-shattering, but almost the same game. And hardly any money spent too. So would it kill EA to make a new engine every once in a while? Also, the Wii and the Xbox have almost the same user base, so you'd think that developers would put a little more effort into Wii projects.

This thread is full of so many wrong facts when the real ones have been posted left and right all over these forums since day 1. The Wii is more powerful than the PS1 and the PS2 as well as any other last gen console. Bad graphics and gameplay is the developers fault. How in the world is it the Wii's fault?

It's also the developers fault that they cater more towards those consoles that have a smaller user base than towards that console which has the largest user base.They even mentioned that themselves that it was their error. The dissing on SW is gettign lamer and lamer every time I look at it.

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youChiChiMonKilla

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"][QUOTE="bc1391"]Its not the consoles fault the game has poor design decisions, its the developer. You don't see me judging the 360's quality off of Vampires Rain.:?Ramadear

And thats why Metroid Prime 3, SSBB and SMG look good right? Because the system sucks? Ya, thats what I thought. Tell the lazy ass devs at EA to make a quality game.

We should just burn down all of EA's offices, their games are garbage, Madden 08 was cool for the Wii and it worked fairly well, not great mind you but at least it was not horrible either. I wish EA would just stick to making sports games with standard controls since it is pretty obvious that they are not capable of doing something with the Wiimote, although I do not think it works as well for hockey or basketball games.

[QUOTE="Shift05"][QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]

Let's see... who is more at fault...

Nintendo, who created a relatively easy machine to develop for and is easily capable of generating great visuals and gameplay experiences for.

Or...

The lazy developers, who are looking to make a quick dollar and who rushed an unfinished, unpolished, and virtually unplayable game so that unsuspecting customers will waste their hard-earned money on it.

No matter how you try to spin it, the developers are at fault here. EA made the game terrible, not Nintendo. It's idiotic to blame the system because the developers are inept. The tools are there to use, they just chose to use them poorly.

LegendofNerd

I dont think you see what devs have to go through. When they make a game for the 360 and Xbox (multiplat) they already have a larger user base than the Wii so thats where their focus is probably going to be. If the Wii wasn't so gimped in hardware the devs could just port the game over without any hassle. But becuase the Wii is gimped they have to make another version, adding more time and money to what they already had to use for the PS3, and Xbox 360 version. Why waste even more time and money for the Wii version when the Xbox 360 /PS3 version could earn them a greater deal of money.

Well hell, if all consoles and handhelds weren't so gimped in hardware, developers could just port the exact same game to every system. Man, how awesome and cost effective would that be? Please. We're talking EA here. It's not like it's going to spiral their company into bankruptcy if they make another version of a game. They'll still make oodles and oodles of money no matter what they do. Besides, with annual sports games like these, do you honestly think that the developer is going to start from scratch each year on a new engine? No, they'll just use slightly revamped engine with new little tweeks here and there. Nothing earthshattering, but almost the same game. And hardly any money spent too. So would it kill EA to make a new engine every once in a while? Also, the Wii and the Xbox have almost the same user base, so you'd think that developers would put a little more effort into Wii projects.

At this time when a company looks at making a game for the Wii, or a multiplat,(they can use the 360, PS3, and PC) they have a much larger chance of making the greatest profit without the Wii. I know that wasting alot of time won't bankrupt EA, but EA is a company as well, and is looking to gain the most amount of profit, without paying for it. When a game like carnival games can sell around 90,000 in America alone, why would EA even feel like trying.

:lol:, the wii is a terrible console indeed :lol:, look at the terrible ps1 graphics.TheJuiceyBar

PS1!?

That just made my list for "most fanboyish comment of the day"

Just look at Metroid! Those are graphics that i constantly see people compare to Halo 3. So much artistic talent was put into that game.

And look at Zelda. That's a Gamecube game. And even the gamecube can have better graphics than that game according to nintendo.

Developers arn't just putting enough time into the visuals of wii games unlike MS and Sony. And in some ways...that's a good thing.

And if it's such a terrible console, than why is it the best selling "Next-gen" console even tho 360 had a years head start?

And don't say it's because kids just buy it. The average gamer is somewhere in his/her 30's

I'm sorry if i'm flaming u man, it's that i hate it when ppl make comments like that and dont kno their facts at all

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youEhlohim

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

[QUOTE="Ehlohim"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youChiChiMonKilla

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

That's easy.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

One game makes a console "pathetic"?

Hmm...

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Ehlohim"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youBarto1225

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

That's easy.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

[QUOTE="Barto1225"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Ehlohim"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youChiChiMonKilla

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

That's easy.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Find a xbox game that looks better.

[QUOTE="Barto1225"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Ehlohim"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youChiChiMonKilla

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

That's easy.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Let's run through some facts:

A) NBA Live 08 isn't the fault of the Wii, it is the fault of lazy developers at EA entertainment.

B) Metroid Prime 3 at 60 fps looks better than any Xbox game.

C) ChiChiMonKilla thinks that the quality of a console is defined by the worst of it's games.

D) ChiChiMonKilla fails the internet.

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"][QUOTE="Shift05"][QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]

Let's see... who is more at fault...

Nintendo, who created a relatively easy machine to develop for and is easily capable of generating great visuals and gameplay experiences for.

Or...

The lazy developers, who are looking to make a quick dollar and who rushed an unfinished, unpolished, and virtually unplayable game so that unsuspecting customers will waste their hard-earned money on it.

No matter how you try to spin it, the developers are at fault here. EA made the game terrible, not Nintendo. It's idiotic to blame the system because the developers are inept. The tools are there to use, they just chose to use them poorly.

Shift05

I dont think you see what devs have to go through. When they make a game for the 360 and Xbox (multiplat) they already have a larger user base than the Wii so thats where their focus is probably going to be. If the Wii wasn't so gimped in hardware the devs could just port the game over without any hassle. But becuase the Wii is gimped they have to make another version, adding more time and money to what they already had to use for the PS3, and Xbox 360 version. Why waste even more time and money for the Wii version when the Xbox 360 /PS3 version could earn them a greater deal of money.

Well hell, if all consoles and handhelds weren't so gimped in hardware, developers could just port the exact same game to every system. Man, how awesome and cost effective would that be? Please. We're talking EA here. It's not like it's going to spiral their company into bankruptcy if they make another version of a game. They'll still make oodles and oodles of money no matter what they do. Besides, with annual sports games like these, do you honestly think that the developer is going to start from scratch each year on a new engine? No, they'll just use slightly revamped engine with new little tweeks here and there. Nothing earthshattering, but almost the same game. And hardly any money spent too. So would it kill EA to make a new engine every once in a while? Also, the Wii and the Xbox have almost the same user base, so you'd think that developers would put a little more effort into Wii projects.

At this time when a company looks at making a game for the Wii, or a multiplat,(they can use the 360, PS3, and PC) they have a much larger chance of making the greatest profit without the Wii. I know that wasting alot of time won't bankrupt EA, but EA is a company as well, and is looking to gain the most amount of profit, without paying for it. When a game like carnival games can sell around 90,000 in America alone, why would EA even feel like trying.

I don't know about that. Last I checked the Wii is really rolling in the dough, even during the Halo-mania of the past couple weeks, so its possible for even the Wii version of a game can sell as much as it's 360/PS3 brethren. Also, EA isn't some no-name developer releasing a simple little mini-game collection. It's EA. People (well, SOME people) expect more from a developer of their caliber. They SHOULD release top notch games, but when they drop turds like this, people will notice. If Carnival Games bombs, no one will care. If EA keeps this up, they'll be the ones releasing discount games that lay at the bottom of the bargin bin.

Find a xbox game that looks better.

Ramadear

Conker live and reloaded

Splinter cell chaos theory

Ninja Gaiden Black

Chronicles of Riddick

can all be argued as comparable to Metriod prime 3

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Find a xbox game that looks better.

Shift05

Conker live and reloaded

Splinter cell chaos theory

Ninja Gaiden Black

Chronicles of Riddick

can all be argued as comparable to Metriod prime 3

Only difference is that none of those run at 60 fps.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Find a xbox game that looks better.

Shift05

Conker live and reloaded

Splinter cell chaos theory

Ninja Gaiden Black

Chronicles of Riddick

can all be argued as comparable to Metriod prime 3

You're crazy, Ninja Gaiden is the only decent looking one out of the bunch. Ninja Gaiden has inferior texture work and the only reason why I pointed it out of the games you mentioned is because it runs at 60fps. The rest of the games you mention run at 30fps with dips in fps at that. Find me a xbox game that maintains the level of detail of Metriod 3 that runs at 60fps. Good luck with that.

[QUOTE="Shift05"][QUOTE="Ramadear"]

Find a xbox game that looks better.

mdisen2

Conker live and reloaded

Splinter cell chaos theory

Ninja Gaiden Black

Chronicles of Riddick

can all be argued as comparable to Metriod prime 3

Only difference is that none of those run at 60 fps.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Barto1225"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Ehlohim"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youRamadear

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

That's easy.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Find a xbox game that looks better.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Barto1225"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Ehlohim"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]meanwhile I'm just sitting here posting from my Wii, jokes on youChiChiMonKilla

wow what a great accomplishment. i can also do that from my PSP which costs less and can probably produce better graphics than the wii itself :lol:

Actually the PSP is graphically on par with a Dreamcast (that was Sega's last system, young-'uns). The Wii is graphically superior to the XBOX, that's quite a ways beyond the PSP's power (not a huge price difference either considering the expensive controller and free game that comes with it).

Back on topic, trying to use a poorly made 3rd party game toevaluate an entire console's worth is immature and just plain stupid.

That's easy.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Find a xbox game that looks better.