You gamers that are able to judge a story from a demo,,, how?

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

depends on the gameunholymight

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

For example, I don't need to play Tales of Vespira in it's entirety to know that I would like the combat but the voice acting will continue to annoy me and the characters are basic JRPG cutouts. This allows me to come to the conclusion that I would probably not enjoy it. The Tales games are the very essence of the type of JRPGs that I hate.

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

Jynxzor

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

heretrix

For example, I don't need to play Tales of Vespira in it's entirety to know that I would like the combat but the voice acting will continue to annoy me and the characters are basic JRPG cutouts. This allows me to come to the conclusion that I would probably not enjoy it. The Tales games are the very essence of the type of JRPGs that I hate.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]depends on the gametoo_much_eslim

Easy. You dont expect a story from DOA Beachball now do you?

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="unholymight"]depends on the gameRazMaTaz-1

Easy. You dont expect a story from DOA Beachball now do you?

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

For example, I don't need to play Tales of Vespira in it's entirety to know that I would like the combat but the voice acting will continue to annoy me and the characters are basic JRPG cutouts. This allows me to come to the conclusion that I would probably not enjoy it. The Tales games are the very essence of the type of JRPGs that I hate.

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

Of course you can. If the demo introduces you to the plot and it sucks...Then voila!

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

heretrix

For example, I don't need to play Tales of Vespira in it's entirety to know that I would like the combat but the voice acting will continue to annoy me and the characters are basic JRPG cutouts. This allows me to come to the conclusion that I would probably not enjoy it. The Tales games are the very essence of the type of JRPGs that I hate.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

Stories generally have to be able to hook you almost immediately. You may not get a full sense of the story's scope and drama from just an introduction, but the introduction should make you want to continue the story.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

stepat201

Of course you can. If the demo introduces you to the plot and it sucks...Then voila!

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

mjarantilla

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

Stories generally have to be able to hook you almost immediately. You may not get a full sense of the story's scope and drama from just an introduction, but the introduction should make you want to continue the story.

There are some games I can judge stories from demos. Especially a game like Too Human. Its quite obvious that they're mixing story elements from stories that have nothing to do with the Engil, Ynglinga, and other Sagas. What is Grendel doing in there? Seriously.Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]There are some games I can judge stories from demos. Especially a game like Too Human. Its quite obvious that they're mixing story elements from stories that have nothing to do with the Engil, Ynglinga, and other Sagas. What is Grendel doing in there? Seriously.too_much_eslim

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after playing games for so long you gain the ability to judge these things from previous games in the series, art style, music, character appearance, gameplay, everything about a game will indicate in some way the direction of the story

its like being a famous movie critic or something, like Roger Ebert, say someone tells him a short clip about a movie, do you think he has to watch the entire movie to have a good handle on whether it sucks or not? I doubt it

7CloudStrife7

I played a lot of games and would never say I don't like teh story in a game after playing only a demo or an hour of the game. I can say it didn't grasp me, but who knows what would happen if I continud playing.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]There are some games I can judge stories from demos. Especially a game like Too Human. Its quite obvious that they're mixing story elements from stories that have nothing to do with the Engil, Ynglinga, and other Sagas. What is Grendel doing in there? Seriously.Vandalvideo

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The stroy is being told from SK perspective and not the source material. they are putting their spin on it. you may not like it because you may be a purist, but that is no reason to dismiss it.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] The stroy is being told from SK perspective and not the source material. they are putting their spin on it. you may not like it because you may be a purist, but that is no reason to dismiss it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] The stroy is being told from SK perspective and not the source material. they are putting their spin on it. you may not like it because you may be a purist, but that is no reason to dismiss it.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

For example, I don't need to play Tales of Vespira in it's entirety to know that I would like the combat but the voice acting will continue to annoy me and the characters are basic JRPG cutouts. This allows me to come to the conclusion that I would probably not enjoy it. The Tales games are the very essence of the type of JRPGs that I hate.

But you can get a general sense of what's going on without having to experience the entire game.

A company can show you a demo of a game where the characters are uninteresting and badly written. The gameplay is boring and the music is terrible. Now if that isn't a good representation of what the game is going to be like then it's the developers fault for making a crappy demo. But 9 times out of 10, the rest of the game is usually like that.

I can look at a movie or game trailer and tell right off the bat with pretty good accuracy if it's a game or movie I want to spend time with. It's just a matter of interest in the subject matter.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

after playing games for so long you gain the ability to judge these things from previous games in the series, art style, music, character appearance, gameplay, everything about a game will indicate in some way the direction of the story

its like being a famous movie critic or something, like Roger Ebert, say someone tells him a short clip about a movie, do you think he has to watch the entire movie to have a good handle on whether it sucks or not? I doubt it

7CloudStrife7

I played a lot of games and would never say I don't like teh story in a game after playing only a demo or an hour of the game. I can say it didn't grasp me, but who knows what would happen if I continud playing.

It doesn't matter, the overall plot is what matters most and if you can tell the way it is headed, and you don't care for the characters or the story continuing to play is not going to make it any better. Any story can have any plot twist to it, that doesn't make it good.

Here's an example of a story with a plot twist.

There once was a kid. The kid died.

Yea, didn't see that coming in the second sentence of a story did you? Must mean that story is great right, no it freakin sucks and anyone with the intelligence of a three year old would know that. That's like someone telling you to read a 24 chapter novel and warning you the first 23 chapters suck.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

heretrix

For example, I don't need to play Tales of Vespira in it's entirety to know that I would like the combat but the voice acting will continue to annoy me and the characters are basic JRPG cutouts. This allows me to come to the conclusion that I would probably not enjoy it. The Tales games are the very essence of the type of JRPGs that I hate.

But you can get a general sense of what's going on without having to experience the entire game.

A company can show you a demo of a game where the characters are uninteresting and badly written. The gameplay is boring and the music is terrible. Now if that isn't a good representation of what the game is going to be like then it's the developers fault for making a crappy demo. But 9 times out of 10, the rest of the game is usually like that.

I can look at a movie or game trailer and tell right off the bat with pretty good accuracy if it's a game or movie I want to spend time with. It's just a matter of interest in the subject matter.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] The stroy is being told from SK perspective and not the source material. they are putting their spin on it. you may not like it because you may be a purist, but that is no reason to dismiss it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

It doesn't matter, the overall plot is what matters most and if you can tell the way it is headed, and you don't care for the characters or the story continuing to play is not going to make it any better. Any story can have any plot twist to it, that doesn't make it good.

Here's an example of a story with a plot twist.

There once was a kid. The kid died.

Yea, didn't see that coming in the second sentence of a story did you? Must mean that story is great right, no it freakin sucks and anyone with the intelligence of a three year old would know that. That's like someone telling you to read a 24 chapter novel and warning you the first 23 chapters suck.

7CloudStrife7

You can't know everything that is going to happen, of course not, but you can get a very good sense of what the story is going to be like.

That's like if you play a 10 minute demo of a pokemon game or something, after those ten minutes would you have the impression this game is about a young kid capturing monsters and fighting his way up a league to be world famous person, or WOW I bet this game is about medieval castles and knighthood with a strong love story?

I think you know which one everyone would choose. And if you are saying you can't judge a story from just a demo, does that mean you have played every single game in existance from start to finish? I mean from your opinion that seems to be the only way to determine whether or not you like a game so idk how you choose which games to buy and be interested in, you must be a millionaire or something.

I buy games based on gameplay alone because no matter how great a story is if I don't like teh gameplay, I am not playing the game. So I can judge a game gameplay off a demo unless it is something like an rpg where they give you the bare minimum and then you can't really judge it then.

If a game has a great story it is a bonus for me.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="7CloudStrife7"]

It doesn't matter, the overall plot is what matters most and if you can tell the way it is headed, and you don't care for the characters or the story continuing to play is not going to make it any better. Any story can have any plot twist to it, that doesn't make it good.

Here's an example of a story with a plot twist.

There once was a kid. The kid died.

Yea, didn't see that coming in the second sentence of a story did you? Must mean that story is great right, no it freakin sucks and anyone with the intelligence of a three year old would know that. That's like someone telling you to read a 24 chapter novel and warning you the first 23 chapters suck.

7CloudStrife7

You can't know everything that is going to happen, of course not, but you can get a very good sense of what the story is going to be like.

That's like if you play a 10 minute demo of a pokemon game or something, after those ten minutes would you have the impression this game is about a young kid capturing monsters and fighting his way up a league to be world famous person, or WOW I bet this game is about medieval castles and knighthood with a strong love story?

I think you know which one everyone would choose. And if you are saying you can't judge a story from just a demo, does that mean you have played every single game in existance from start to finish? I mean from your opinion that seems to be the only way to determine whether or not you like a game so idk how you choose which games to buy and be interested in, you must be a millionaire or something.

I buy games based on gameplay alone because no matter how great a story is if I don't like teh gameplay, I am not playing the game. So I can judge a game gameplay off a demo unless it is something like an rpg where they give you the bare minimum and then you can't really judge it then.

If a game has a great story it is a bonus for me.

Pokemon may be huge now, but when the original games launched I didn't have to play more than 5 minutes to know what was going on and the main point.

But now that you say you buy games based solely on gameplay I can see why you think you can't judge a game's story from just a demo. You say you can judge a game's gameplay off a demo. Well the single most important factor for me when deciding to buy a game is the story, rpgs are my favorite types of games. And because they are so important to me, I don't need anything more than a demo to tell me whether or not the story is good. I have played games that focus around story for so long half the time I all I need to do is read a small description of the game, or preview, or a wikipedia entry of it to know what I think it. Of course I have games and play games that have horrible stories, but that's because like you I think they are fun for their gameplay. But that doesn't mean I can't judge a game's story from a demo.

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

You can usually get a good idea of the storytelling and the amount of work put into the story. You can't judge plot twists, holes or lenght, of course. Then again, no reasonable person would expect you too.

You can form predictions based on this.

I always assumed it was one of those things that didn't need to be said.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

stepat201

Of course you can. If the demo introduces you to the plot and it sucks...Then voila!

When you read the second chapter of a book, and the second chapter only, when you're trying to decide on what book to buy, are you making an informed decision?

Easy. You dont expect a story from DOA Beachball now do you? RazMaTaz-1

Here's an example of a story with a plot twist.

There once was a kid. The kid died.

Yea, didn't see that coming in the second sentence of a story did you?

7CloudStrife7

AHAHAHAAHA

that is sig worth x7

too human sucks, get over itmistervengeance

What makes you think this thread is about Too Human? It's only mentioned once, and then it's not by the TC.

Anyway, you shouldn't treat your opinion as fact in this regard-many, many of us (who are NOT mindless lemmings) think this is a very good game and enjoyed it significantly, and, consequently, you shouldn't really say it sucks, as the fact that others like it simply shows that your tastes are different from theirs. You should say that you don't like it or something similar, not the absolute, quasi-objective "it sucks".

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

Stories generally have to be able to hook you almost immediately. You may not get a full sense of the story's scope and drama from just an introduction, but the introduction should make you want to continue the story.

Then that's bad for the demo. They shouldn't be doing that. Demos are to games what trailers are to movies. If they don't encapsulate what makes the game interesting (either story- or gameplay-wise), then they aren't good demos.

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

too_much_eslim

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

but you buy a game for the game, not the story.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

doobie1975

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

but you buy a game for the game, not the story.

For a lot of great games, the story is often part of the game.

[QUOTE="doobie1975"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Jynxzor"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

Seriously, how are you able top judge a story on such a small snippet of gameplay and cutscenes? You couldn't do that with a book or movie so how are you guys able to do that with games. You can say you don't like the voice acting or even how it was presented during that section of gameplay, but you can't judge a games story off a demo.

mjarantilla

Whats the point of a demo if you don't "Get a feel for the game" and judge it upon the demo. The Demo is meant to let the player know how the game plays. So in theory people SHOULD be able to judge a game based on it's demo because thats the job of the demo. If the demo fails to capture the greatness of the game it's to blame more than the person playing the demo.

but you buy a game for the game, not the story.

For a lot of great games, the story is often part of the game.

Deus Ex, for example, in spite of its amazing gameplay, wouldn't have been anywhere near as good without its amazingly well-told story.

Its like reading the back of a book it gives you an idea what its about.

A good game story requires a good game to facilitate it. If not then you might as well read a book. So if a demo has terrible gameplay then you can be almost certainly that you will not enjoy the telling of the story, no matter how good it is. How can a story be good if you don't enjoy how it is told?

In this way you can know if you are going to enjoy the story or not before following it through. If you are talking about books it is different. You cannot tell how good a book is from a few pages because the medium of ink and paper means all you have is the story itself.