Your fave Fantasy Action Adventure and RPG series

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The Elder Scrolls. And Zelda is not an RPG.

edit: nevermind

Gothic

Gothic

Postal_Guy

After Gothic 4?

Although it is only two games, the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series is still my favourite RPG series.

RPG elements in Zelda?

RPG elements in Zelda?

Lto_thaG

The Elder Scrolls. And Zelda is not an RPG.

waltefmoney

What you mean to say is TES: Oblivion isn't an RPG every TES game before Oblivion was most definately an RPG.

Anyway for the topic I vote for Lands Of Lore, Baldurs Gate, NWN, Gothic (yes including 4), Eye Of The Beholder and The Witcher series.

Disgaea

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The Elder Scrolls. And Zelda is not an RPG.

loadedboon

What you mean to say is TES: Oblivion isn't an RPG every TES game before Oblivion was most definately an RPG.

Oblivion is just as much an RPG as Morrowind or Daggerfall.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The Elder Scrolls. And Zelda is not an RPG.

waltefmoney

What you mean to say is TES: Oblivion isn't an RPG every TES game before Oblivion was most definately an RPG.

Oblivion is just as much an RPG as Morrowind or Daggerfall.

I'm not gonna argue my opinion of Oblivion in this thread so let's leave it at what we said shall we?.

I'm not gonna argue my opinion of Oblivion in this thread so let's leave it at what we said shall we?.

loadedboon

Okay.

No need to argue about what's a RPG and what not people. Just tell your fave RPG-related series (if you have one) and maybe why :)

Chrono, second would be Final Fantasy before the Square Enix merge.

Series = Diablo

Favorite RPG = Planescape: Torment

JRPG series: Dragon Quest

WRPG series: Fallout

SRPG series: Fire Emblem

breath of fire, i havent played it in so long i really miss it

I see no point in arguing what is and isn't an RPG. I find no problem in you defining Zelda as an RPG, you are free to do so.

My favorite is Final Fantasy, though Dragon Quest comes in close second.

I see no point in arguing what is and isn't an RPG. I find no problem in you defining Zelda as an RPG, you are free to do so.

My favorite is Final Fantasy, though Dragon Quest comes in close second.

calvinsora

So if I want to define the Mario platformers as RPG's that's fine?

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

I see no point in arguing what is and isn't an RPG. I find no problem in you defining Zelda as an RPG, you are free to do so.

My favorite is Final Fantasy, though Dragon Quest comes in close second.

loadedboon

So if I want to define the Mario platformers as RPG's that's fine?

The Zelda series has RPG elements, whereas the Mario platformers don't. To emphasize on this, some professional reviewers have cIassified Zelda as an ARPG.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

I see no point in arguing what is and isn't an RPG. I find no problem in you defining Zelda as an RPG, you are free to do so.

My favorite is Final Fantasy, though Dragon Quest comes in close second.

calvinsora

So if I want to define the Mario platformers as RPG's that's fine?

The Zelda series has RPG elements, whereas the Mario platformers don't. To emphasize on this, some professional reviewers have cIassified Zelda as an ARPG.

There's absolutely no gameplay element or game mechanic in Zelda which could classify as RPG absolutely nothing.

WRPG: Planescape Torment

JRPG: Xenogears

ARPG: Diablo II

Thread starter, have you played the Ultima series?

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

So if I want to define the Mario platformers as RPG's that's fine?

loadedboon

The Zelda series has RPG elements, whereas the Mario platformers don't. To emphasize on this, some professional reviewers have cIassified Zelda as an ARPG.

There's absolutely no gameplay element or game mechanic in Zelda which could classify as RPG absolutely nothing.

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

The Zelda series has RPG elements, whereas the Mario platformers don't. To emphasize on this, some professional reviewers have cIassified Zelda as an ARPG.

calvinsora

There's absolutely no gameplay element or game mechanic in Zelda which could classify as RPG absolutely nothing.

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

Did the creators of the game series itself classified it as a ARPG?

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

The Zelda series has RPG elements, whereas the Mario platformers don't. To emphasize on this, some professional reviewers have cIassified Zelda as an ARPG.

calvinsora

There's absolutely no gameplay element or game mechanic in Zelda which could classify as RPG absolutely nothing.

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

Zelda also isn't an adventure game.. Zelda is an action puzzle game since those are the elements of every Zelda game.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

There's absolutely no gameplay element or game mechanic in Zelda which could classify as RPG absolutely nothing.

Lucianu

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

Did the creators of the game series itself classified it as a ARPG?

Interesting point, I don't think they did. As I say, I don't see Zelda's status as an RPG, quite the opposite, but I also find it equally ridiculous to argue so strongly against it being what many consider to be an ARPG, as many critics already do (I think NGamer, for one, does that). It's the same sort of argument some people make to argue about how JRPGs aren't actual RPGs or how Dead Space isn't a survival horror game, despite them being so irrefutably. That's pretty much my point.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

There's absolutely no gameplay element or game mechanic in Zelda which could classify as RPG absolutely nothing.

loadedboon

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

Zelda also isn't an adventure game.. Zelda is an action puzzle game since those are the elements of every Zelda game.

Wait a sec, at least the 3D Zelda series is almost always defined as either a simplified ARPG or a an (action-)adventure game. I'd say that defining Zelda as an action-puzzler would be akin to defining it as an RPG.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

calvinsora

Zelda also isn't an adventure game.. Zelda is an action puzzle game since those are the elements of every Zelda game.

Wait a sec, at least the 3D Zelda series is almost always defined as either a simplified ARPG or a an (action-)adventure game. I'd say that defining Zelda as an action-puzzler would be akin to defining it as an RPG.

wrong again because the series transisted from 2D to 3D doesn't mean it's suddenly an RPG series. To this day it's still an action puzzle game at it's core.

And no action puzzler is not the same as an RPG not even close.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

Zelda also isn't an adventure game.. Zelda is an action puzzle game since those are the elements of every Zelda game.

loadedboon

Wait a sec, at least the 3D Zelda series is almost always defined as either a simplified ARPG or a an (action-)adventure game. I'd say that defining Zelda as an action-puzzler would be akin to defining it as an RPG.

wrong again because the series transisted from 2D to 3D doesn't mean it's suddenly an RPG series. To this day it's still an action puzzle game at it's core.

And no action puzzler is not the same as an RPG not even close.

I didn't say action puzzler is akin to RPG, I said defining Zelda as an action puzzler is akin to defining it as an RPG, i.e. defining it as something that isn't the official title. Zelda is OFFICIALLY considered an action-adventure series. I don't think the action part of that definition is relevant, since the adventure part of it is far more important IMO, which is why I say it's an adventure game, but I've never heard of Zelda being an action-puzzler before now. It's genre is stated as action-adventure on sites such as Wikipedia and GS (where it's a fantasy action-adventure). But this argument has gone to weird territories, so I'll just leave it at Zelda being an action-adventure title as a final verdict.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Wait a sec, at least the 3D Zelda series is almost always defined as either a simplified ARPG or a an (action-)adventure game. I'd say that defining Zelda as an action-puzzler would be akin to defining it as an RPG.

calvinsora

wrong again because the series transisted from 2D to 3D doesn't mean it's suddenly an RPG series. To this day it's still an action puzzle game at it's core.

And no action puzzler is not the same as an RPG not even close.

I didn't say action puzzler is akin to RPG, I said defining Zelda as an action puzzler is akin to defining it as an RPG, i.e. defining it as something that isn't the official title. Zelda is OFFICIALLY considered an action-adventure series. I don't think the action part of that definition is relevant, since the adventure part of it is far more important IMO, which is why I say it's an adventure game, but I've never heard of Zelda being an action-puzzler before now. It's genre is stated as action-adventure on sites such as Wikipedia and GS (where it's a fantasy action-adventure). But this argument has gone to weird territories, so I'll just leave it at Zelda being an action-adventure title as a final verdict.

To me adventures are games like Police Quest, King's Quest, Space Quest, Syberia etc and rpg's are Ultima, Gothic, Plansescape Torment, Land Of Lore etc

tell me what does any Zelda game have in common with any of those games?

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

Pray tell what your definition of an RPG is? I'm not gonna argue semantics here, and I don't even cIassify Zelda as an RPG either (it's an adventure game IMO), but Zelda is like many ARPGs I've played just without experience points, and if the inclusion of experience points were a basis on which to define a genre, there'd be far more controversy surrounding the genre than there already is.

calvinsora

Did the creators of the game series itself classified it as a ARPG?

Interesting point, I don't think they did. As I say, I don't see Zelda's status as an RPG, quite the opposite, but I also find it equally ridiculous to argue so strongly against it being what many consider to be an ARPG, as many critics already do (I think NGamer, for one, does that). It's the same sort of argument some people make to argue about how JRPGs aren't actual RPGs or how Dead Space isn't a survival horror game, despite them being so irrefutably. That's pretty much my point.

Well its very foolish for people to say JRPG's aren't RPG's since the types of RPG in the genre itself aren't only of one distinct type. A long time ago, the fundamental definition of a RPG was simply a Role-Playing-Game were friends gathered around and did adventures together with their made-characters that which had possibility to increase its experience and learn new skills, etc., etc.(and i'm not only talking about computer games). That was it, nothing els. But since then it evolved beyond that, and one cannot ignore it.

Currently i know of 3 huge types -> WRPG's, JRPG's and Action-RPG's.

I believe the Zelda series(with the exceptions of one of two of them) could be classified as a Adventure-RPG. I think that would suit it good.

If the creators themselfs named it a action-adventure-game, or something els then a RPG, therefore logically it is not, and will never be a RPG. But if the creators did not intend to label it, and does not have a finite classification.. ? Then its arguably what the gamers themselfs name it..

I don't currently know if the devs have a specific cIassification of it, it's more just a general public decision to define it as action-adventure. But adventure-RPG sounds pretty accurate, though I wouldn't quite define it as such.

The RPG roots are indeed pretty much the table-top RPGs like DandD, so in the game world, the definition has changed somewhat. Really, I've never seen as much debate regarding genres as in the RPG scene, it's a bit silly :P

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

wrong again because the series transisted from 2D to 3D doesn't mean it's suddenly an RPG series. To this day it's still an action puzzle game at it's core.

And no action puzzler is not the same as an RPG not even close.

loadedboon

I didn't say action puzzler is akin to RPG, I said defining Zelda as an action puzzler is akin to defining it as an RPG, i.e. defining it as something that isn't the official title. Zelda is OFFICIALLY considered an action-adventure series. I don't think the action part of that definition is relevant, since the adventure part of it is far more important IMO, which is why I say it's an adventure game, but I've never heard of Zelda being an action-puzzler before now. It's genre is stated as action-adventure on sites such as Wikipedia and GS (where it's a fantasy action-adventure). But this argument has gone to weird territories, so I'll just leave it at Zelda being an action-adventure title as a final verdict.

To me adventures are games like Police Quest, King's Quest, Space Quest, Syberia etc and rpg's are Ultima, Gothic, Plansescape Torment, Land Of Lore etc

tell me what does any Zelda game have in common with any of those games?

As said earlier, the more appropriate term of what Zelda is is action-adventure, but since I find the action-bits underwhelming, I see it more as adventure with puzzle elements or something similar. I usually split adventure into point-and-click and "action", where the Quest games, Monkey Island and the like would be in the former definition. As for the RPGs you mentioned, I haven't played any of them, so I can't say anything about 'em.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

I didn't say action puzzler is akin to RPG, I said defining Zelda as an action puzzler is akin to defining it as an RPG, i.e. defining it as something that isn't the official title. Zelda is OFFICIALLY considered an action-adventure series. I don't think the action part of that definition is relevant, since the adventure part of it is far more important IMO, which is why I say it's an adventure game, but I've never heard of Zelda being an action-puzzler before now. It's genre is stated as action-adventure on sites such as Wikipedia and GS (where it's a fantasy action-adventure). But this argument has gone to weird territories, so I'll just leave it at Zelda being an action-adventure title as a final verdict.

calvinsora

To me adventures are games like Police Quest, King's Quest, Space Quest, Syberia etc and rpg's are Ultima, Gothic, Plansescape Torment, Land Of Lore etc

tell me what does any Zelda game have in common with any of those games?

As said earlier, the more appropriate term of what Zelda is is action-adventure, but since I find the action-bits underwhelming, I see it more as adventure with puzzle elements or something similar. I usually split adventure into point-and-click and "action", where the Quest games, Monkey Island and the like would be in the former definition. As for the RPGs you mentioned, I haven't played any of them, so I can't say anything about 'em.

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

To me adventures are games like Police Quest, King's Quest, Space Quest, Syberia etc and rpg's are Ultima, Gothic, Plansescape Torment, Land Of Lore etc

tell me what does any Zelda game have in common with any of those games?

DragonfireXZ95

As said earlier, the more appropriate term of what Zelda is is action-adventure, but since I find the action-bits underwhelming, I see it more as adventure with puzzle elements or something similar. I usually split adventure into point-and-click and "action", where the Quest games, Monkey Island and the like would be in the former definition. As for the RPGs you mentioned, I haven't played any of them, so I can't say anything about 'em.

Actually the QFG games are full blown RPG's only in Sierra style

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

To me adventures are games like Police Quest, King's Quest, Space Quest, Syberia etc and rpg's are Ultima, Gothic, Plansescape Torment, Land Of Lore etc

tell me what does any Zelda game have in common with any of those games?

DragonfireXZ95

As said earlier, the more appropriate term of what Zelda is is action-adventure, but since I find the action-bits underwhelming, I see it more as adventure with puzzle elements or something similar. I usually split adventure into point-and-click and "action", where the Quest games, Monkey Island and the like would be in the former definition. As for the RPGs you mentioned, I haven't played any of them, so I can't say anything about 'em.

Sorry, haven't played it.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="calvinsora"]

As said earlier, the more appropriate term of what Zelda is is action-adventure, but since I find the action-bits underwhelming, I see it more as adventure with puzzle elements or something similar. I usually split adventure into point-and-click and "action", where the Quest games, Monkey Island and the like would be in the former definition. As for the RPGs you mentioned, I haven't played any of them, so I can't say anything about 'em.

loadedboon

Actually the QFG games are full blown RPG's only in Sierra style

Final Fantasy, sank (?) so many hours in these back on SNES/PSone days.

[QUOTE="loadedboon"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] How about Quest For Glory, where would that fall? ;) You better say RPG adventure. lolDragonfireXZ95

Actually the QFG games are full blown RPG's only in Sierra style

I wish Sierra went back to their roots meaning to when their games were great. They have been nothing more then a mere shadow of the greatness they once were and the same goes for LucasArts. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Fallout (the first 2) and Chrono