Your top 5 ranked shooters (by skill)

Hello, System Wars! I wanted to ask you:

What are your top 5 shooters when it comes to skill requirement/gap?

Here are my top 5 with elaborations as to why. Feel free to list and elaborate on your choices.

1.Quake- this is by far, without a shadow of a doubt, the most demanding shooter I have ever played. In the early 2000's, I was a Quake III semi-pro, but it literally took me 2 YEARS to get good enough to play with the big boys. No other game has taken me more than 6 months to master (I am a nautral at shooting things lol, in game or not) and Quake's jumping and dodging mechainics took waht seemed like eons to learn. This is why Quake is my #1 shooter.

2.Gears of War series- I know, I know, "console shooter?? lulz!!" But Gears of War is different. The biggest difference is its third person view/cover system. This game play completely unlike any other shooter out there. Another thing is the starting weapons and power weapons. Everyone starts with a gun that can one-shot-kill (shotgun) and this makes planning your moves very important. The reason I rank Gears of War so high is for 2 reasons:

1. The learning curve is far greater than ANY other console shooter, bar NONE. wall-bouncing and shotgun tricks are nearly as essential to pros as the movement in Quake was. a skilled player will nearly always beat a new player in a shotgun battle due to their movement. New players just can't hit them. Shotgun battles between experienced players is like watching a deadly dance.

2. Because Gears of War is on console, and plays nothing like any other console shooter, the game is hard for ANYONE to learn. PC players are plauged by the use of a controller (which in this game I belive is better due to the bouncing mechanics, it is near impoosible to do with M & KB.) And console players are plauged by the fact that Gears of War has NO AUTO-AIM. Yep, you heard me right system wars, no auto aim in a console shooter. Ain't that something?

3. Tribes- Tribes, with its clas$ system, jetpacks, and super-fast movement, is incredibly different (and difficult) compared to other shooters. A Call of Duty or Battlefield player would never hit his target, as 90% of the time they are flying through the air. The ridiculous movement speed makes Tribes one of those games that takes a huge amount of practice to become great at, hence its #3 spot on my list.

4.Team Fortress- Team Fortress combines squad, arena, and clas$ based gameplay all into one neat package. The game alllows individuals to hold their own, but teamwork will always trump individual skill. This combination, coupled with it's longstanding player base, has made me think that Team Fortress takes far more work than people let on. This earns it the #4 spot.

5.Halo- Another console shooter, Halo is however one of the few to do it right. Instead of trying to compensate the game for bad players (cough* Cod cough*) it simply forces noobs to either adapt or die. 1 Individual with the right skills can take down an entire team of lessers, using Halo's golden triangle (weapons, grenades, and melee) and the skill gap becomes quite apparant as you climb the ranks. In Halo 3, where Rank was based oon skill, there were very few players at the top due to the continuous showmanship of skill it takes to maintain the skill ranking and make it climb higher. Teamwork is also very essential, as power weapons and map control determine the victor in a teamfight. There is a reason Halo has been on MLG's Pro circuit for so long.

The 1 drawback to Halo is its considerable use of aim-assist, but I do not belive this hinders the skill it takes to play because the aim assist does not lock to specific body parts, but bullets do do more damage to the head than anywhere else. Th player must still make sure he is aimed correctly before shooting in order to win the duel with his opponent.

In conclusion:

Some of you may be wondering why I did not include a few games, one of which may be Counter-Strike. Truth is, I did not include Counter strike because it follows the first-to-see wins rule. 90% of the time if an opponent gets behind you you are dead. all of the games above do not share that mechanic with CS. In all of them it is possible to completely outplay your ghost opponent and make him pay for his sneakyness. That is why I do not view Counter Strike as requiring as much skill.

Counter Strike would be above of every single one you mentioned aside from Quake 3 as far as I´m concerned.

And yes,I read what you wrote about it. :P

Counter Strike would be above of every single one you mentioned aside from Quake 3 as far as I´m concerned.

Arach666

1. Dylon
2. Dylon
3. Dylon
4. Dylon
5. and Dylon

1. Quake
2. Doom
3. Halo
4. WarRock
5. Battlefield

1.Call of Duty MW3
2.Killzone 3
3.Resistance 2
4.Counter Strike 1.6
5.Quake

1. CS series

2. Quake series

3. TF series

4. Tribes

5. Unreal Series

lol @ anyone who puts CoD or Halo, first fps of yours?

Imo the only gears that required skill was the first one. Even so the game was really broken, no matter how much skill you had the server creator would always win.

You need to put effort into trolling, y'know.Plagueless

Imo the only gears that required skill was the first one. Even so the game was really broken, no matter how much skill you had the server creator would always win.

Masculus

[QUOTE="Plagueless"] You need to put effort into trolling, y'know.Badosh

The top 5 I am the best at or the top 5 I think take the most skill? Or my favorite ones? I am so confused!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Don't worry, I wont tell (lol)Plagueless

[QUOTE="Badosh"][QUOTE="Plagueless"] You need to put effort into trolling, y'know.Plagueless

I can vouch for him.He's in mah friends list and he plays those games all the time.Today it was BLOPS,iircfreedomfreak

1. Battlefield 3

2. MAG

3. Counter Strike

4. Killzone 2

5. Team Fortess 2

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]I can vouch for him.He's in mah friends list and he plays those games all the time.Today it was BLOPS,iircBadosh

[QUOTE="Badosh"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]I can vouch for him.He's in mah friends list and he plays those games all the time.Today it was BLOPS,iircfreedomfreak

What systems do you too play on? I wanna join

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

Counter Strike would be above of every single one you mentioned aside from Quake 3 as far as I´m concerned.

Plagueless

Using teamwork and implementing tactics/strategizing are skills, skills that many lack.

1. Galactic Attack
2. Radiant Silvergun
3. Thunder Force IV/Lightening Force
4. Thunder Force III
5. M.U.S.H.A

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="Badosh"] Black Ops Thursday. You got it.dcelw540

What systems do you too play on? I wanna join

Eh here goes

Counter Strike

Halo

UT 04

Quake 3

Battlefield 2 (especially if you want to play it right)

Been playing FPS since Doom.

None of them really require "skill" but some require dedication like having a good sound setup to hear footsteps, and turning your mouse sensitivity down.

Every time I get owned in Gears, it's the same as when I get owned in CS.

It's like "How can they be that good?"

Every game has its secrets, that once you learn those secrets you will wtfpwn people who don't know it.

Halo CE

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Reach

Halo CEA

Bonus pick..

Halo 4

:lol:

I kid a bit and just din't didn't feel like putting much effort into this but that is all. :P

Been playing FPS since Doom.

None of them really require "skill"

LazySloth718

Man,can't wait to start changing up my loadout.It's like you're playing a different game.Like going from MW2 to MW3.freedomfreak

1.Call of Duty MW3
2.Killzone 3
3.Resistance 2
4.Counter Strike 1.6
5.Quake

freedomfreak

Attention whoring much?

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Man,can't wait to start changing up my loadout.It's like you're playing a different game.Like going from MW2 to MW3.Badosh

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

1.Call of Duty MW3
2.Killzone 3
3.Resistance 2
4.Counter Strike 1.6
5.Quake

Wasdie

Attention whoring much?

OP is now my favourite poster for acknowledging Gears 3's multiplayer learning curve.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Counter Strike would be above of every single one you mentioned aside from Quake 3 as far as I´m concerned.

Yangire

Using teamwork and implementing tactics/strategizing are skills, skills that many lack.

Teamwork = communication and careful execution of a plan where all teammates do their role.

Skill = individual ability to deal with situations when the plan hits snags.

For instance, in Gears of War, in an execution match (1 life, close range kills only) if the team wins by executiong their plan perfectly and outwitting the other team, that is teamwork. If the plan goes to sh!t and its a 1v4 situation in which you still win, that is skill.

OP is now my favourite poster for acknowledging Gears 3's multiplayer learning curve.

Aljosa23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv_c5v6xE2I

Old team fortress conc skillz. I can never do it right myself :\

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Been playing FPS since Doom.

None of them really require "skill"

Jankarcop

Bottom of the barrel hermits belong on Xbox Live.

Get going.

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Been playing FPS since Doom.

None of them really require "skill"

LazySloth718

Aww, someones upset that his troll attempt was canceled.

[QUOTE="dcelw540"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Man,can't wait to start changing up my loadout.It's like you're playing a different game.Like going from MW2 to MW3.freedomfreak

What systems do you too play on? I wanna join

lol okay but I only have ps3 right now do you have it too?

It's hard to define an FPS by pure skill alone. Some are meant for extreme teamwork while others are bulit for 1 v 1 competitive play. So instead of 1-5 I'll just throw down some respectable competitive FPSs. I will list just the best of the series whenever possible.

• Quake 3 - The ultimate 1v1 competitive FPS. While all of the modes are very competitive, this one really excels at the 1v1 play competition.
• Unreal Tournament 2k4 - An arena shooter built for teamplay. While an excellent Deathmatch and TDM game, the Assault and Onslaught were the main attraction and were extremely fun and competitive. A fantastic game all around. Difficult to say which one is better, Quake or Unreal when it comes to pure competitive play.
• Halo 2/3 - Excluding Reach which screwed up the gameplay with bloom and loadouts, Halo 2 and 3 were highly competitive. This game is more comparable to Unreal Tounry over Quake even though it's still a pure arena shooter. The gameplay modes are best balanced for teamplay but it is still extremely strong with the 1v1 play. This is really the only competitive FPS on the consoles.
• Counterstrike - While the debate rages on which version is more competitive, the Counterstrike formula makes it the single most competitive team based shooter on the market. You cannot win with a single great player. You need a team.
• Call of Duty 2 - Surprisingly well balanced and well rounded. This was another team focused shooter that used loadout and class based system. The shooting was incredibly smooth and precise, there were no perks or killstreaks, and everybody was on the same level. Pure competition followed.
• Battlefield 2 - This is not a competitive FPS in the sense of having great individual skill than the other players or in having an extremely skillful and well communicated team like in Counterstrike or Unreal Tourny. Battlefield 2, despite it's terribly flawed infantry mechanics and terrible balanced jets, was extremely competitive in the large 32 vs 32 player matches. Teams are challeneged not on their ability to just play well and work together, but how they have overall strategies for the extremely long games and endurance to hold up the level of coordination and teamwork required to win. Not the most competitive FPS on the list, but far more competitive than anything played today.
• Tribes 2 - The original Battlefield game. Extremely team focused. Everybody had a very unique role to play. High communication was mixed with extreme player skill in a very unique way.

I would say all of these would pretty much nail the most competitive games we've seen. Some people may argue for Enemy Territory or Team Fortress or a handful others, but out of all of the shooters I've seen played competitivly on a regular basis, these would be played the most frequently.

I would say if any shooter has a chance at being added to this list it will be Tribes Ascend. That one is in position to be the most competitive shooter. We'll have to see how Counter Strike Global Ops turns out before I can say anything about it.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

[QUOTE="dcelw540"]

What systems do you too play on? I wanna join

dcelw540

lol okay but I only have ps3 right now do you have it too?

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"] IMO, Teamwork =/= skill. Flanking an opponent and filling his back with lead before he can react is strategy, not skill, and so I do not include CS in my list, although I do have a soft spot for the game.Plagueless

Using teamwork and implementing tactics/strategizing are skills, skills that many lack.

Teamwork = communication and careful execution of a plan where all teammates do their role.

Skill = individual ability to deal with situations when the plan hits snags.

For instance, in Gears of War, in an execution match (1 life, close range kills only) if the team wins by executiong their plan perfectly and outwitting the other team, that is teamwork. If the plan goes to sh!t and its a 1v4 situation in which you still win, that is skill.

Do you think a team would win if the members have less/no individual skill when compared to the opposing team? Teamwork IS a skill, it's not something you know automatically, it's something you have to work with and get better at.

That sucks but you put Killzone 3 on your list and its a ps3 exclusives? :P

Okay here is my list.

1) Quake (between 1-3 mostly oppinion and feel that determines which one you prefer in my world).

2) CS (5.2-5.6, 6.0+ became slower, butin the end all CS games count in this place, again, differnet people different oppinion as to which).

3) UT 99

4) Tribes 2

5)Halo

People might wonder why there is only 1 console game on the list (well apart of pointing fingers calling me hermit, but if you take notice there is 2 ;) Quake2 on the N64 is a game I count in the quake list, and you can see that I amkinda old by the list :S )

One FPS that I don't see mentioned here is the multiplayer for SWAT 4. Yes it's an old game now but the multiplayer requires a high skill level. You can't run around jumping like a lunatic everywhere quickscoping. You don't have health. You die easily in one shot, there is a unique variety of weaponry/tools including 3 different types of grenade - gas/sting/flash - and you can also choose to arrest your opponent instead of simply killing them which provides you with more points. It's tight tactical play that requires a high level of skill. Getting a 20 killstreak in Counterstrike is the easiest thing in the world, you can do that the first time you play it. Getting a 20-0 killstreak in SWAT 4 requires years of play and even then the vast majority can't manage it.

tl;dr - Of all the FPS multiplayers I've played, to me SWAT 4 requires the greatest level of skill in order to be an Elite player.

Okay here is my list.

1) Quake (between 1-3 mostly oppinion and feel that determines which one you prefer in my world).

2) CS (5.2-5.6, 6.0+ became slower, butin the end all CS games count in this place, again, differnet people different oppinion as to which).

3) UT 99

4) Tribes 2

5)Halo

People might wonder why there is only 1 console game on the list (well apart of pointing fingers calling me hermit, but if you take notice there is 2 ;) Quake2 on the N64 is a game I count in the quake list, and you can see that I amkinda old by the list :S )

Maddie_Larkin

I actually am upset when hardcore PC gamers don't credit Halo with being competitive. Up until Reach, it was about as competitive as the PC shooters. The only thing that is different is that the game was built from the ground up with a controller in mind, so it played a lot slower in comparison to the PC arena shooters. But speed alone doesn't make a game competitive.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

OP is now my favourite poster for acknowledging Gears 3's multiplayer learning curve.

Plagueless

Aww, someones upset that his troll attempt was canceled.

Jankarcop

At least my troll attempts consist of my own words, not pictures found on the internet.

You bottom of the barrel hermit you.

Go back to WoW.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

Using teamwork and implementing tactics/strategizing are skills, skills that many lack.

Yangire

Teamwork = communication and careful execution of a plan where all teammates do their role.

Skill = individual ability to deal with situations when the plan hits snags.

For instance, in Gears of War, in an execution match (1 life, close range kills only) if the team wins by executiong their plan perfectly and outwitting the other team, that is teamwork. If the plan goes to sh!t and its a 1v4 situation in which you still win, that is skill.

Do you think a team would win if the members have less/no individual skill when compared to the opposing team? Teamwork IS a skill, it's not something you know automatically, it's something you have to work with and get better at.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

OP is now my favourite poster for acknowledging Gears 3's multiplayer learning curve.

Aljosa23