Zelda? What's so good about Zelda?

Why all of the excitement of a possible zelda announcement at E3? Do u guys want another rehash that bad? Seriously, in the past few years, let's just say since 2000, what has been innovative about the zelda series? Aboslutely nothing! It has been the same freaking formula rehashed over and over again. The dungeon system and the easy to beat bosses, the boring combat, the same stupid puzzles. Don't get me wrong when OOT came out I was in heaven. That was because it was completely new. But now 10 years have passed since then, and me (and many other people i know) dont feel compelled to play another zelda at all. We'll get through a temple or two and we'll just stop, because it literally is the same game.

Not only that, but Ninty wont even update the game to today's standards! No voice acting? Completely linear gameplay? A terrible shop system? And Hyrule seems like a ghostland, theres nobody outside of like 2 towns! What is this? Why would I even care about saving like 50 people in a video game? Seriously, playing twilight princess makes me feel like i'm playing OOT with better graphics. Nintendo even put in the same crappy music!!! Why does Nintendo insist on making the same game over and over and over again? I just don't understand why they can't get their act together and help update it so it at least seems a little bit like a modern game. I'm sick of all this nostalgic crap. Almost everything needs to be changed.

So sheep what's so good about zelda?

Its only like the best series ever made, duh

i think every zelda game has been quite individual in their own right, only twilight princess was a dissapointment - just a 'safe' zelda game in anything.

anyway what im saying is not every zelda game is rehash of one before ;)

I like Zelda and I suppose a few other million people do as the games sell very well. it is kind of like diablo 3 it is going to play probably just like 2... I am still going to love it.

so it comes down to this. i like it "who cares" i dont like it "who cares"

and not just sheep love zelda. i know many people that buy ninty consoles just for zelda, metriod and mario.

Beats me.

There always were better games out there than Zelda IMHO.

Personally this sounds like jealousy... what game are you upset about that doesn't get the attention Zelda gets? Hmm? I don't understand, if you and your friends don't care about Zelda, then don't care about Zelda, I however DO care about Zelda, and I absolutely love the game. So, I mean... jeeze, just forget about it... why do you care that it gets so much attention?

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

Exactly. I loved OOT. That's one of the greatest games ever IMHO. But everything after was just a remake. rockin102

Why must you lie?

MM is different from Ot and WW is different from OT and MM. TP is similar to ot

Why all of the excitement of a possible zelda announcement at E3? Do u guys want another rehash that bad? Seriously, in the past few years, let's just say since 2000, what has been innovative about the zelda series? Aboslutely nothing! It has been the same freaking formula rehashed over and over again. The dungeon system and the easy to beat bosses, the boring combat, the same stupid puzzles. Don't get me wrong when OOT came out I was in heaven. That was because it was completely new. But now 10 years have passed since then, and me (and many other people i know) dont feel compelled to play another zelda at all. We'll get through a temple or two and we'll just stop, because it literally is the same game.

Not only that, but Ninty wont even update the game to today's standards! No voice acting? Completely linear gameplay? A terrible shop system? And Hyrule seems like a ghostland, theres nobody outside of like 2 towns! What is this? Why would I even care about saving like 50 people in a video game? Seriously, playing twilight princess makes me feel like i'm playing OOT with better graphics. Nintendo even put in the same crappy music!!! Why does Nintendo insist on making the same game over and over and over again? I just don't understand why they can't get their act together and help update it so it at least seems a little bit like a modern game. I'm sick of all this nostalgic crap. Almost everything needs to be changed.

So sheep what's so good about zelda?rockin102

Voice acting generally sucks. It's like trying to find a good actor to play your favorite fictional character. It's even worse for characters like Link, Mario, and Samus, because they are known to be silent protagonists.

Sigh, what one has to hear. What comes next? What so great about Mario?

You know, your post was one of the saddest posts I've read.

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

rockin102

That proves you have nor played them.

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

rockin102

well im looking at games like majoras mask and windwaker which purposly went away from traditional zelda, and are innovating - trust you would know if you played them.

and on the subject on combat, why fix it when it ain't broke?

(reply to Franklenstein)I never said that they all have the same story, but most of them just borrow concepts from one another. Come on, link has to save the princess yet again and fight gannon? Can't Nintendo come up with something else? At least a little bit different? Maybe something much more complicated. I just dont like seeing basically the 3 same people over and over again.

BTW thanks for actually criticizing my thread with examples instead of just flaming me. You've got my respect dude.

I assume you didn't play Majora's Mask. The best one in the series. TP was crap though. Nintendo makes another tP and I will be done with teh series.too_much_eslim

No, TP was NOT crap, maybe you didn't like it, but I DID. And everyone else I know LOVED the game. Just because you didn't like it, that's fine. Doesn't make it crap. It's your opinion of a game. In my opinion it's my favorite. I would gladly play TP over OoT any day. And I bought them both the day they came out. (Except I bought TP when it came out for the GC since that was the original system it was meant for)

it's less rehashy than most series .. it migth appear it on the surface, but actually play the games and you'll see that the gameplay has differences

anyway, people are such hypocrits

there was a similar thread regarding diablo, yet all the hermits say that they're glad there's no change

banjo 3 is radically different and the fans are complaining, wanting a traditional banjo game

how can devs win?

I never said that they all have the same story, but most of them just borrow concepts from one another. Come on, link has to save the princess yet again and fight gannon? Can't Nintendo come up with something else? At least a little bit different? Maybe something much more complicated. I just dont like seeing basically the 3 same people over and over again.

BTW thanks for actually criticizing my thread with examples instead of just flaming me. You've got my respect dude.

rockin102

There was another main villian in MM, and there was another main villian in TP, honestly, I mean. I like the fact that Zelda, Ganon and Link are in every Zelda game, since they three hold the triforce. It's kind of important in the series i think for those three to be in it.

[QUOTE="rockin102"]

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

jack_michael

well im looking at games like majoras mask and windwaker which purposly went away from traditional zelda, and are innovating - trust you would know if you played them.

and on the subject on combat, why fix it when it ain't broke?

Of course the combat system isn't broken, but it does seem dated and it is very boring. It's just not challenging with the z targeting system.

Q: What's so good about Metal Gear, or Halo?
A: Its fun to play and its entertaining

Q:What's so good about Zelda
A: Its fun to plat and its entertaining

/Thread

(reply to Franklenstein)I never said that they all have the same story, but most of them just borrow concepts from one another. Come on, link has to save the princess yet again and fight gannon? Can't Nintendo come up with something else? At least a little bit different? Maybe something much more complicated. I just dont like seeing basically the 3 same people over and over again.

BTW thanks for actually criticizing my thread with examples instead of just flaming me. You've got my respect dude.

rockin102

I did use examples, and I didn't flame you, so you fail with the attempted sarcasm.

Yeah Zelda have had the same formula for years, and so has Mario and so has Metroid. I couldn't care less if they changed tthe gameplay. The games are simply amazing.Cyberfairy

[QUOTE="rockin102"]

(reply to Franklenstein)I never said that they all have the same story, but most of them just borrow concepts from one another. Come on, link has to save the princess yet again and fight gannon? Can't Nintendo come up with something else? At least a little bit different? Maybe something much more complicated. I just dont like seeing basically the 3 same people over and over again.

BTW thanks for actually criticizing my thread with examples instead of just flaming me. You've got my respect dude.

Franklinstein

I did use examples, and I didn't flame you, so you fail with the attempted sarcasm.

Actually i wasn't being sarcastic. Look at this page and page 1 and you'll see all the kids that posted like 3 word responses. If i was being sarcastic i would have ended with /sarcasm or something lol. You and jack_michael are the only ones so far that have come up with constructive criticism.

1. TC villifies Zelda based on a very limited portion of Zelda games

2. Why does it have to be a rehash? The Zelda game always have great design, that means that any game within the series, cliched or otherwise is bound to be half-decent anyway.

[QUOTE="jack_michael"][QUOTE="rockin102"]

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

rockin102

well im looking at games like majoras mask and windwaker which purposly went away from traditional zelda, and are innovating - trust you would know if you played them.

and on the subject on combat, why fix it when it ain't broke?

Of course the combat system isn't broken, but it does seem dated and it is very boring. It's just not challenging with the z targeting system.

well remember the combat system has evolved over time, with timed hits introduced in WW and even in twighlight you had that wolf teaching you different attacks - the combat system is improving but very subtly.

im sure in the future they'll keep on adding stuff ;)

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I assume you didn't play Majora's Mask. The best one in the series. TP was crap though. Nintendo makes another tP and I will be done with teh series.Franklinstein

No, TP was NOT crap, maybe you didn't like it, but I DID. And everyone else I know LOVED the game. Just because you didn't like it, that's fine. Doesn't make it crap. It's your opinion of a game. In my opinion it's my favorite. I would gladly play TP over OoT any day. And I bought them both the day they came out. (Except I bought TP when it came out for the GC since that was the original system it was meant for)

[QUOTE="Cyberfairy"]Yeah Zelda have had the same formula for years, and so has Mario and so has Metroid. I couldn't care less if they changed tthe gameplay. The games are simply amazing.rockin102

Changing settings, combat, players and so on is perfectly fine for me as long as they keep the core-gameplay that Zelda is all about. That is dungeon-exploring and finding new stuff.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I assume you didn't play Majora's Mask. The best one in the series. TP was crap though. Nintendo makes another tP and I will be done with teh series.too_much_eslim

No, TP was NOT crap, maybe you didn't like it, but I DID. And everyone else I know LOVED the game. Just because you didn't like it, that's fine. Doesn't make it crap. It's your opinion of a game. In my opinion it's my favorite. I would gladly play TP over OoT any day. And I bought them both the day they came out. (Except I bought TP when it came out for the GC since that was the original system it was meant for)

lol yeah it was kinda un-needed but I don't agree with your opinion either

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I assume you didn't play Majora's Mask. The best one in the series. TP was crap though. Nintendo makes another tP and I will be done with teh series.too_much_eslim

No, TP was NOT crap, maybe you didn't like it, but I DID. And everyone else I know LOVED the game. Just because you didn't like it, that's fine. Doesn't make it crap. It's your opinion of a game. In my opinion it's my favorite. I would gladly play TP over OoT any day. And I bought them both the day they came out. (Except I bought TP when it came out for the GC since that was the original system it was meant for)

Neither was yours.

[QUOTE="rockin102"][QUOTE="jack_michael"][QUOTE="rockin102"]

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

jack_michael

well im looking at games like majoras mask and windwaker which purposly went away from traditional zelda, and are innovating - trust you would know if you played them.

and on the subject on combat, why fix it when it ain't broke?

Of course the combat system isn't broken, but it does seem dated and it is very boring. It's just not challenging with the z targeting system.

well remember the combat system has evolved over time, with timed hits introduced in WW and even in twighlight you had that wolf teaching you different attack - the combat system is improving but very subtly.

im sure in the future they'll keep on adding stuff ;)

It's not subtle...it's slow. The rate of evolution is happening slower in Zelda games than it is in real-life!

TP was pretty much the most polished example of what could be done with the Zelda franchise. I would agree that the series has hit a snag in originality and the design is getting old, but that by no means should diminish anyone from not being excited about the potential in the games.

If anything the Zelda series is far more daring than most. Would Halo have been subject to the huge experiemental changes seen in Majora's Mask or the aesthetic changes in TWW? I seriously doubt it. For a major franchise Zelda actually shows more variance between titles, not less. The only difference is that Link has been on the block much longer than Master Chief and a a result his age is more obvious for all to see.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I assume you didn't play Majora's Mask. The best one in the series. TP was crap though. Nintendo makes another tP and I will be done with teh series.IronBass

No, TP was NOT crap, maybe you didn't like it, but I DID. And everyone else I know LOVED the game. Just because you didn't like it, that's fine. Doesn't make it crap. It's your opinion of a game. In my opinion it's my favorite. I would gladly play TP over OoT any day. And I bought them both the day they came out. (Except I bought TP when it came out for the GC since that was the original system it was meant for)

Neither was yours.

[QUOTE="rockin102"][QUOTE="Cyberfairy"]Yeah Zelda have had the same formula for years, and so has Mario and so has Metroid. I couldn't care less if they changed tthe gameplay. The games are simply amazing.Cyberfairy

Changing settings, combat, players and so on is perfectly fine for me as long as they keep the core-gameplay that Zelda is all about. That is dungeon-exploring and finding new stuff.

Yeah some of the core stuff is fine. But the dungeon systems? Nintendo should completely revamp it or scrap the entire system, there's bound to be other ways to play through the game. It just seems like you're collecting keys the entire time.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I assume you didn't play Majora's Mask. The best one in the series. TP was crap though. Nintendo makes another tP and I will be done with teh series.Cyberfairy

No, TP was NOT crap, maybe you didn't like it, but I DID. And everyone else I know LOVED the game. Just because you didn't like it, that's fine. Doesn't make it crap. It's your opinion of a game. In my opinion it's my favorite. I would gladly play TP over OoT any day. And I bought them both the day they came out. (Except I bought TP when it came out for the GC since that was the original system it was meant for)

lol yeah it was kinda un-needed but I don't agree with your opinion either

It's not subtle...it's slow. The rate of evolution is happening slower in Zelda games than it is in real-life!

TP was pretty much the most polished example of what could be done with the Zelda franchise. I would agree that the series has hit a snag in originality and the design is getting old, but that by no means should diminish anyone from not being excited about the potential in the games.

If anything the Zelda series is far more daring than most. Would Halo have been subject to the huge experiemental changes seen in Majora's Mask or the aesthetic changes in TWW? I seriously doubt it. For a major franchise Zelda actually shows more variance between titles, not less. The only difference is that Link has been on the block much longer than Master Chief and a a result his age is more obvious for all to see.

Articuno76

Exactly, which is why Nintendo needs to work on evolving the series.

[QUOTE="jack_michael"][QUOTE="rockin102"][QUOTE="jack_michael"][QUOTE="rockin102"]

(reply to Jack Michael)

To me it seems like they are. If you take away the different graphics or story or whatever, it seems like the same thing. Nothing brand new that really innovated (if that's a word) the series. Just think about the combat. What has changed? I don't think anything has. It's still simplistic and boring for some reason.

Articuno76

well im looking at games like majoras mask and windwaker which purposly went away from traditional zelda, and are innovating - trust you would know if you played them.

and on the subject on combat, why fix it when it ain't broke?

Of course the combat system isn't broken, but it does seem dated and it is very boring. It's just not challenging with the z targeting system.

well remember the combat system has evolved over time, with timed hits introduced in WW and even in twighlight you had that wolf teaching you different attack - the combat system is improving but very subtly.

im sure in the future they'll keep on adding stuff ;)

It's not subtle...it's slow. The rate of evolution is happening slower in Zelda games than it is in real-life!

TP was pretty much the most polished example of what could be done with the Zelda franchise. I would agree that the series has hit a snag in originality and the design is getting old, but that by no means should diminish anyone from not being excited about the potential in the games.

If anything the Zelda series is far more daring than most. Would Halo have been subject to the huge experiemental changes seen in Majora's Mask or the aesthetic changes in TWW? I seriously doubt it. For a major franchise Zelda actually shows more variance between titles, not less. The only difference is that Link has been on the block much longer than Master Chief and a a result his age is more obvious for all to see.

could have saved the effort if you would have read my post :)

Any other discussion? Ninty should at least revamp:

Combat, Dungeon system, Music, Story, and instead of text voice acting.