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#1 deactivated-5a79221380856
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I don't want to marry anyone who has a belief in superstitions, the paranormal, and the supernatural. I also don't want to marry anyone who believes that murder (including abortion), rape, thievery, and adultery isn't wrong.

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#2 Teenaged
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Well about the first part.

Surely when I meet someone I will have a first impression by what this person believes in or doesnt believe in. I mean if I know that person is an Islamist, yes I would have the impression that we wouldnt fit together well. But I always wait to know someone well and if their behavior is not influenced by their beliefs then I see no problem. As long as they are good people, kind-hearted and have virtues then why should it matter.

Now if what your fear G_C are the inevitable debates that will take place between the couple, then I will say that if you love the person next to you then you wont try to talk in order to convince or with the attitude of the debater. Those things seem to go away when you love somebody. (this sentence's "you"s were general and not to you, G_C). At least for me thats how it should be. :?

Now I dont think there are many people who consider ALL of those things that you listed, to be right.

I would only have a problem with the obvious: murder (NOT including abortion because I am sure most people accept that its moraly wrong just like murder but sometimes its a necessary evil [prepares for angered responses on that comment:P]), rape and thievery.

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#3 GabuEx
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Entirely depends on whether or not we get along.

It's easily possible for two people who disagree to get along, and it's also easily possible for two people who agree not to do so.

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#4 gameguy6700
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I probably would not have a serious relationship with a person who didn't share my beliefs, if only because you know that's going to be a major source of contention throughout the relationship. I suppose it could work out, but only if she had rather weak beliefs (you know, the "I consider myself a 'spiritual' person" type of people who only claim to be religious because it makes them feel better).

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#5 ChiliDragon
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My experience is that beliefs matter a lot less than values do, but since that's just my personal experience, I don't know how that applies to each and everyone out there. What I do know though, based on all other couples I have seen and got to know, is that what you believe in is only one tiny little thing of what needs to "mesh" before a couple can get to the point where marriage is a viable option. I want my chosen life partner to share my values, my interest in video games and movies, in books and sports, I want him to appreciate the food I cook , and I want him to be my best friend. If we get along and if we can be best friends, then we can talk marriage, because then we have a chance of making that marriage last. And since that is not in any way at all based on my personal beliefs, "other" is the only option in that poll that made even remote sense for me. Unless of course you count the belief that sharing values and interests and being friends is more important than a agreeing on religious tenets, but that option wasn't available.
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#6 domatron23
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I don't want to marry anyone who has a belief in superstitions, the paranormal, and the supernatural. I also don't want to marry anyone who believes that murder (including abortion), rape, thievery, and adultery isn't wrong.

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Genetic_Code

Geez that's a bit stringent. What if they were an awesome person who just happened to believe in God?

My partner pretty much shares my view of God but she is *very* different to me in other ways. Our differences don't matter though because our relationship works so well. Given that it wouldn't be hard to say that even if my partner didn't share my beliefs about God we could still get along just fine.

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#7 MetalGear_Ninty
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The sanctity of life concept, especially regarding foetuses or embryos is an ongoing superstition, when you come to think of it.

On topic, if I was a theist, I would be tormented by the idea that I may recieve eternal salvation, whilst partner would suffer eternal damnation. That would surely be unbearable.

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#8 Funky_Llama
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The sanctity of life concept, especially regarding foetuses or embryos is an ongoing superstition, when you come to think of it.

MetalGear_Ninty

Superstition according to the OED:
1: excessively credulous belief in the supernatural.
2: a widely held but irrational belief in supernatural influences, especially as bringing good or bad luck.

Somehow I think it's not. So take that, snarky comment >_>

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#9 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

The sanctity of life concept, especially regarding foetuses or embryos is an ongoing superstition, when you come to think of it.

Funky_Llama

Superstition according to the OED:
1: excessively credulous belief in the supernatural.
2: a widely held but irrational belief in supernatural influences, especially as bringing good or bad luck.

Somehow I think it's not. So take that, snarky comment >_>

Meh, no matter how you want to spin it -- a sanctity of life ethic is not devoid of some sort of unfounded belief or supernatural ethic.

I'll still lol at the irony of your 'snarky comment' remark though. :lol: :P

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#10 Lansdowne5
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I will not marry anyone who is not a Christian. We are told to be yoked not together with un-believers. Besides, it would be damaging to my faith, and damaging to my children's upbringing if I did.
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#11 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Geez that's a bit stringent. What if they were an awesome person who just happened to believe in God?

domatron23

Then I'd reconsider. These are just general guidelines that I know can be irrelevant in the end. 

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#12 Funky_Llama
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Meh, no matter how you want to spin it -- a sanctity of life ethic is not devoid of some sort of unfounded belief or supernatural ethic.

MetalGear_Ninty

Unfounded beliefs aren't necessarily superstitions - that definition specifies in both cases that the subject of the superstition must be supernatural.

I'll still lol at the irony of your 'snarky comment' remark though. :lol: :P

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Hey, I never said there was anything wrong with snarkiness :P

 

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#13 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

Meh, no matter how you want to spin it -- a sanctity of life ethic is not devoid of some sort of unfounded belief or supernatural ethic.

Funky_Llama

Unfounded beliefs aren't necessarily superstitions - that definition specifies in both cases that the subject of the superstition must be supernatural.

Meh, 'superstition' probably wasn't the right word to use in that instance.

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#15 mindstorm
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I will only marry a person who shares my passions. Period. My faith is a huge part of that.
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#16 Forerunner-117
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As an atheist, yes I'd like it if they shared my beliefs, but honestly it's not that big of a deal if they don't, as long as they don't keep trying to convert me or something. :P
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#17 btaylor2404
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Well I'll be one of the oddballs here.  Of course I agree with you GC on the moral issues, I couldn't have a partner who didn't agree with my moral beliefs.  But of course I'm married to a Catholic.  It doesn't bother us most of the time, at least we don't argue over it much.  But sometimes I do wish she didn't hold the beliefs she does, and I'm sure she feels the same. 
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#18 dallbowl
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I don't have a partner atm, but I would like them to have the same beliefs as me. Its definetely not a ncessity though. I think to me what they believe would come after other things like being generous, caring, happy, fun ect.Most people would probably feel the same.

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#19 Bourbons3
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I'd want my partner to have the same beliefs as me, or near enough the same. I probablIy wouldn't be able to have a good relationship with a staunch theist. We'd disagree on too much, and probably wouldn't work out. Luckily my boyfriend is an atheist.
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#20 Stryder1212
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Well my girlfriend has the same atheistic views I do, but I suppose I take that for granted sometimes. Hmm.

This is just me, but I couldn't spend my life with someone who has seriously differing beliefs unless everything else in the relationship was extraordinarily good. I've never been very passive on the subject of religion, and if she were a devout believer I would hope the discussions could be civil and a fair agreement could be made. Another result is if one of us converted, which would likely generate negative feelings.

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#21 THUMPTABLE
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I will not marry anyone who is not a Christian. We are told to be yoked not together with un-believers. Besides, it would be damaging to my faith, and damaging to my children's upbringing if I did.Lansdowne5

Your faith cannot be that strong if harmed that easily? Im not sure damaging is the correct word?
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#22 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Heh, I was thinking about this thread today, and I came to the realization that despite my ideals, I'll probably wind up with some moderate theist. :P
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#23 Enosh88
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"As an atheist, no"

realy I don't give a **** what she would belive in, as long as it works it is o.k. But if she would want me to become a beliver or something like that than we have a problem, but as long as she would stick to her own religion and not bother me with it she can belive into whatever the hell she want.

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#24 Lansdowne5
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[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]I will not marry anyone who is not a Christian. We are told to be yoked not together with un-believers. Besides, it would be damaging to my faith, and damaging to my children's upbringing if I did.THUMPTABLE

Your faith cannot be that strong if harmed that easily? Im not sure damaging is the correct word?

"that easily"? This the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with......the person I am going to trust and cherish, the person I am going to listen to, consult, and take advice from. My faith is strong, but it could be weakened if someone close to me was constantly doubting.

PS. Yes. Damaging is exactly the right word, i.e. - "causing harm or injury". 

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#25 ChiliDragon
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This the person I'm going to spend the rest of my life with......the person I am going to trust and cherish, the person I am going to listen to, consult, and take advice from.Lansdowne5
That's why I said in my reply that sharing values mattered a lot more to me than sharing faith, but I certainly see your point. I also agree with an important part of it: The closeness, the intimacy on every level, that it's necessary to have with your life partner, is not something to trivialize or take lightly. To me personally, sharing faith used to be important, but I later came to realize that I can be perfectly happy as long as the person I am with respects my faith. He doesn't have to share it, as long as he lets me have it. I have family members who agree with you more than with me, and ultimately, this is too personal a thing for anyone to tell anyone else what to do. We all need to do what will work best for us.
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#26 inoperativeRS
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I couldn't care less what my partner thinks as long as we get along. If everyone had the same ideas the world would be quite a boring place.
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#27 tocool340
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If she's a Atheist, thenI consider it a bonus. But if she is a die hard theist, then I doubt we will stay together very long. I hate talking to brick walls that can't seem to accept a few facts that exist before hand.
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#28 -Sun_Tzu-
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As long as we get along I have no problem with what she believes. If her beliefs are a reason for us not getting along though, I probably wouldn't be with her, but a wanting for my partner to share the same beliefs as I is not an aspiration of mine (Ha, that rhymed. I rule! :P).

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#29 bean-with-bacon
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Oh hell no, I want to marry a christian! According to the bible if a husband believes his whole family will be saved, so take that Pascals Wager! :P

Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband.

Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

But in all seriousness, it's not a huge deal unless they're like hardcore fundamentalist or something, I'd probably rather they be atheist though because conflicting religious beliefs can be kinda destructive to relationships because one thinks the other is going to burn for all eternity in hell.

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#30 deactivated-5a79221380856
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It's funny people are accepting of many theists except for "hardcore fundamentalist" when I get the impression that the hardcore fundamentalists they might be referring to wouldn't be accepting of them in the first place.
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#31 rmfd341
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I want a christian wife (it's hard to find anything else on Brazil), it was good when I was a children, you know, thinking that there was someone looking out for me...
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#32 bean-with-bacon
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It's funny people are accepting of many theists except for "hardcore fundamentalist" when I get the impression that the hardcore fundamentalists they might be referring to wouldn't be accepting of them in the first place.Genetic_Code

Well yes that is true :P

 

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#33 deactivated-60f8966fb59f5
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I'm not sure how partners without the same values -- and I am not speaking morally -- can get along for long.
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#34 GabuEx
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I'm not sure how partners without the same values -- and I am not speaking morally -- can get along for long.Welkabonz

If one believes in God and the other doesn't, but they both agree that murder is a bad idea, I'm not sure I see where the problem lies.

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#35 deactivated-60f8966fb59f5
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[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]I'm not sure how partners without the same values -- and I am not speaking morally -- can get along for long.GabuEx

If one believes in God and the other doesn't, but they both agree that murder is a bad idea, I'm not sure I see where the problem lies.

That's sort of it.
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#36 ChiliDragon
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[QUOTE="Welkabonz"]I'm not sure how partners without the same values -- and I am not speaking morally -- can get along for long.GabuEx

If one believes in God and the other doesn't, but they both agree that murder is a bad idea, I'm not sure I see where the problem lies.

Not to mention, if they both believe in monogamy ;) I sort of agree with Welkabonz though in that I think notions on murder and faithfulness are moral values. The existence of God and a belief in him is a religious belief, and surprisingly often kept separate from morals these days. If there is mutual respect and love for one another, a relationship between two individuals of drastically different faith can work just fine.
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#37 deactivated-60f8966fb59f5
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I guess having compatible personalities is the closest to what I meant. I think a good match is far more complex than having the same religious beliefs, at any rate.
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#38 SSBFan12
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If my wife would be something else in belief then I would try and believe in the same thing she is.
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#39 TenP
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It's not necessary, no. I've dated Jewish and Christian women before and never had a problem with it. Well the two of us didn't, their parents usually didn't like me. :P

It'd be nice to be in agreement on the subject but It'd never change the way how I feel about the person if they were religious.

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#40 SimpJee
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I want to respect the woman I'm with, and deep down that would always be an issue if she was religious
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#41 Lonelynight
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As a Christian, yes.
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#42 _Tobli_
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I do see several potential issues with dating a theist. Since it often has such a signifigant impact on a persons lifestyle. Not to mention that all unwarranted beliefs i can think of rub me the wrong way. So i would probably prefer it if my parner was an atheist.

 

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#43 Elraptor
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It would probably be tough to stay friendly if we totally disagreed on the really importan questions.
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#44 luke1889
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murder (including abortion)

Genetic_Code

Oh you just HAD to go there, didn't you? :P

And as an athiest, I'd prefer to have someone of the same opinions, but it'd not be a deal breaker.

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#45 MrPraline
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I can't see myself going out with a Muslim girl, but a (moderate) Christian shouldn't be too much of a problem. No fundamentalists of any kind though.
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#46 Dr_AlanGrant
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As an atheist, I probably would like my partner to share my beliefs. I think it would be hard being together when you disagree on your personal beliefs. I wouldn't rule out the possibilty of being together with a theist though.
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#48 Lansdowne5
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I can't see myself going out with a Muslim girlMrPraline

You mean any type of Muslim girl? i.e. - including "moderate" and "fundamentalist"?

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#49 chessmaster1989
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Well, yes and no. I don't mind if the person I marry were religious, but I wouldn't marry a fundamentalist (whether Christian, Muslim, or otherwise) simply because religion would be too much of a barrier. I also wouldn't marry anyone who continually tried to convert me. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind.

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#50 itsTolkien_time
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As I am more of an agnostic, I would marry someone of any denomonation or belief, as long as I love them and they don't mind if I don't fully commit to their religion.

Who knows if I'll ever find someone like that, I'll probably end up becoming a false convert because I love the person, or marrying an atheist (which I am not sure I want to do).