If you could design Nintendo's online service, what would you do with it?

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#1 REVOLUTIONfreak
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It's no secret that a lot of people, including myself, despise Nintendo's online service that heavily revolves around the use of friend codes. Regardless of all of the complaints though, Nintenod appears unwilling to change their online service for the better. In that case, it looks as if we're stuck with friend codes, no voice chat, lag, and a lack of community.

If you had the oppurtunity to design Nintendo's online service yourself, what would you do with it? What features would it have? Better yet, would it still be free?

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#2 lebanese_boy
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The only thing I want from them in one FC per system and that's all ! But Nintendo clearly doesn't give a nickel about Online play so expect more crappy stuff coming from them.
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I'd like a system to report cheaters and hackers so they would be banned from playing online.
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#4 chocolate1325
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I would have it so you have one friend code and that could be a friend code inevery gameand also if you quit then you lose matches and also no cheaters or hacks.
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no friend codes, voice chat, and nearly every game released have online. also they should brick hackers consoles.
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#6 SHUTupNrocK8
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I would obviously make it like the Xbox Live online service, but of course, Microsoft charges it's members for Xbox Live. I would like something simple such as, GamerTags and Just sending Friend Request isn't of registering individual number codes.
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#7 bededog
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Make only one Friend Code and make it so the person you add knows you added them. All it has to be is an automated message saying "X has added you to their friend list would you like to add them?" It could be that simple, but no Nintendo has to have a FC for each freaking game. Also give us options for online games, this is more of a software thing but still. Just playing online is fine and all but we should have more options when making a game. Many of Nintendo's online games are bare boned. We want options, we want to be able to make the rules for our matchs online. Online should be the same as the offline multipler experience. Take Brawl for example, people are going to want more options then just choosing which character and field to play on. Give people the full experience, they want to be able to choose all the rules, not some premade ones. Basically Nintendo only needs to do three things to win me over: 1. One FC 2. Tell me when someone adds me! and 3. Gives us options, people want to set the rules, people want more modes, people want 8, 16, 32 player games, give us what people want. Online is for the people, developers make online because people want it, so they should make the online in the image of what people want. Microsoft got it right with the Halo Beta, they now have very good info on what online should be baised upon, online is a fan service and as such the making of it should involve the fans. The online race started with the Xbox, since then Nintendo has yet to leave the starting box and I just don't see them stepping up this gen.
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Let's not forget one thing bededog; Sony's online for the PS3 is much better then Nintendo's online service for the Wii .. why ? Because it's doing everything in similar to Xbox Live and not charging a thing for it.

I know Nintendo isn't fond in the idea of copying others but it surely woudn't hurt them to make a little effort.

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Let's not forget one thing bededog; Sony's online for the PS3 is much better then Nintendo's online service for the Wii .. why ? Because it's doing everything in similar to Xbox Live and not charging a thing for it.

I know Nintendo isn't fond in the idea of copying others but it surely woudn't hurt them to make a little effort.

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I'm not really asking Nintendo to copy Live, but they do need more options, which them seem to be adhering to with Mario Kart's online battle mode. So hopefully they are learning some stuff.

Now that I think about it the one thing that really pisses me off about Nintendo's online is that they don't seem to take online seriously. They keep throwing us these joke online crap at us. Brawl, we don't even have a confimination of online play. E3 barely any online info, and the games we saw were sport games we already knew about. Not to mention Nintendo isn't supporting online development. EA did their own online since Nintendo was too slow to give them the proper tools. Nintendo has taken far to long to get online out, and what has come out isn't good enough for the wait. Seriously the launch online with Pokemon, a 5.5 game. Come on Nintendo, show us you actually care about online for once.

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#10 lebanese_boy
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[QUOTE="lebanese_boy"]

Let's not forget one thing bededog; Sony's online for the PS3 is much better then Nintendo's online service for the Wii .. why ? Because it's doing everything in similar to Xbox Live and not charging a thing for it.

I know Nintendo isn't fond in the idea of copying others but it surely woudn't hurt them to make a little effort.

bededog

I'm not really asking Nintendo to copy Live, but they do need more options, which them seem to be adhering to with Mario Kart's online battle mode. So hopefully they are learning some stuff.

Now that I think about it the one thing that really pisses me off about Nintendo's online is that they don't seem to take online seriously. They keep throwing us these joke online crap at us. Brawl, we don't even have a confimination of online play. E3 barely any online info, and the games we saw were sport games we already knew about. Not to mention Nintendo isn't supporting online development. EA did their own online since Nintendo was too slow to give them the proper tools. Nintendo has taken far to long to get online out, and what has come out isn't good enough for the wait. Seriously the launch online with Pokemon, a 5.5 game. Come on Nintendo, show us you actually care about online for once.

They don't, they don't care about online at all and this is so obvious. On top of that Reggie has the guts to tell us (at E3) that they're actually serious about the thing. Back in 2001 (or 2002), Hiroshi Yamaucha even said that gamers don't care about online, that was mainly to justify the Gamecube's lack of online.

I don't think Nintendo has changed too much since then, they've implemented online on both the DS and Wii so that they're console aren't seen as pieces of crap but they still don't give a crap about it.

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#11 REVOLUTIONfreak
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[QUOTE="lebanese_boy"]

Let's not forget one thing bededog; Sony's online for the PS3 is much better then Nintendo's online service for the Wii .. why ? Because it's doing everything in similar to Xbox Live and not charging a thing for it.

I know Nintendo isn't fond in the idea of copying others but it surely woudn't hurt them to make a little effort.

bededog

I'm not really asking Nintendo to copy Live, but they do need more options, which them seem to be adhering to with Mario Kart's online battle mode. So hopefully they are learning some stuff.

Now that I think about it the one thing that really pisses me off about Nintendo's online is that they don't seem to take online seriously. They keep throwing us these joke online crap at us. Brawl, we don't even have a confimination of online play. E3 barely any online info, and the games we saw were sport games we already knew about. Not to mention Nintendo isn't supporting online development. EA did their own online since Nintendo was too slow to give them the proper tools. Nintendo has taken far to long to get online out, and what has come out isn't good enough for the wait. Seriously the launch online with Pokemon, a 5.5 game. Come on Nintendo, show us you actually care about online for once.

Well, to Nintendo's defense Mario Strikers Charged was probably Nintendo's best online attempt since Metroid Prime: Hunters. It has random matches, you can pick your teams, friend code play is available if desired, and there were detailed leaderboards. My only complaints would be, like you said, we need more options. They only let you pick the stage and more specific details for a match if you were playing with a friend, you couldn't access that stuff in random matches.

Also, this is very minor, but I hate the "Searching" thing they have in every game... because it looks the same with every online game, only the background is different. Not to mention the matchmaking usually takes forever in most games. Oh, and lebs, Gamecube actually did support online, Nintendo in particular didn't, but it had the capabilities and Phantasy Star Online was the one game that utilized it.

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I think the searching for opponents on games like Mario Kart DS was not the best way to set up an online matchbecause some quit even before the first race and the online needs to be better on the Wii. What Mario Strikers Charged didn't have was worldwide play which was dissapointing.Smash Bros Brawl hopefully shouldn't have problems if online.
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A universal FC and a fairer system of pairing up players of the same experience. It's just no fun being awesome at a game and pwning everything in sight, nor is it fun being new to a game just to have pros run laps around you. There needs to be more balance, and more options as far as the playing aspect of online goes.
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#14 chocolate1325
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I think Smash Bros Brawl should just have more than 1 v1 online mode. Remember those other modes on Melee like Giant Melee . Smash Bros Brawl will have more things to do and it should have alot of different things. Mario Kart DS only had racing but with the Wii game in the future battle mode and massive multiplayer. Also what about a mode where you choose who you would like you battle on Brawl instead of a random battle because sometimes in games you like to win a few matches before you go up against someone whos really good at the game.
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I want demoes personally. Make sure I know what I'm getting into when I buy a game. I guess that would mean it would need a bigger storage capacity though, 256 mb isn't enough for a demo releasing console I don't think.

The elimination of the fc system would also be appreciated.
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#16 murlow12
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There are no FCs for the Wii. There's just a Wii number. Am I missing something?

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#17 bededog
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There are no FCs for the Wii. There's just a Wii number. Am I missing something?

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There are friend codes for Wii. Mario Strikers had FCs.

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#18 murlow12
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[QUOTE="murlow12"]

There are no FCs for the Wii. There's just a Wii number. Am I missing something?

bededog

There are friend codes for Wii. Mario Strikers had FCs.

So some games will have them and some won't?
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#19 bededog
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[QUOTE="bededog"][QUOTE="murlow12"]

There are no FCs for the Wii. There's just a Wii number. Am I missing something?

murlow12

There are friend codes for Wii. Mario Strikers had FCs.

So some games will have them and some won't?

What do you mean? There are codes for the Wii system which are only used for Miis so far. Each online game so far has had FCs. Madden is an execption because EA said **** Nintendo Wifi Connection and made their own system.

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#20 murlow12
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Oh, that makes sense. Madden is the only Wii game I have taken online.

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Well, I've got a few points to clarify:

1. All Nintendo games most likely will use individual game friend codes. Third parties are not an exception, unless you're like EA and want your own servers.

2. Games like Metroid Prime 3 prove that using the Wii numbers in the game for Wi-Fi is possible. Even if that particular game was only WiiConnect24 and not an actual online mode with multiplayer and such.

3. Wii's memory has 512MB, not 256. :P

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#22 BassBoy45
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3. Wii's memory has 512MB, not 256. :P

REVOLUTIONfreak
Damn you and your accuracy!!!! :evil:

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#23 bededog
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Well, I've got a few points to clarify:

1. All Nintendo games most likely will use individual game friend codes. Third parties are not an exception, unless you're like EA and want your own servers.

2. Games like Metroid Prime 3 prove that using the Wii numbers in the game for Wi-Fi is possible. Even if that particular game was only WiiConnect24 and not an actual online mode with multiplayer and such.

3. Wii's memory has 512MB, not 256. :P

REVOLUTIONfreak

Actually, I think Brain Age was the first to use WiiConnect24 while using the Wii sytem number if I remember correctly.

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#24 tocool340
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I think their Online service ain't that bad. Only thing I wish is that they made a single friend code for each system and not every other game. And I wish for games like Mario Kart to have a multiplayer setup like Halo online with different rooms to choose from and join in races.......

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#25 REVOLUTIONfreak
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"]

Well, I've got a few points to clarify:

1. All Nintendo games most likely will use individual game friend codes. Third parties are not an exception, unless you're like EA and want your own servers.

2. Games like Metroid Prime 3 prove that using the Wii numbers in the game for Wi-Fi is possible. Even if that particular game was only WiiConnect24 and not an actual online mode with multiplayer and such.

3. Wii's memory has 512MB, not 256. :P

bededog

Actually, I think Brain Age was the first to use WiiConnect24 while using the Wii sytem number if I remember correctly.

I never said that Metroid Prime 3 was the first to use the Wii Numbers in a game...
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I would make it so simple all you would have to do is connect a single wire from the Wii to a laptop, and you can play online. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff.
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#27 bededog
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I would make it so simple all you would have to do is connect a single wire from the Wii to a laptop, and you can play online. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff.supersonic49
I think it is a blessing to have built in wifi and all consoles should have it(along with other connection options). It is easy to set up online if you already have a wifi connection like many people are getting(I have one). And take the 360 for example, it has no built in wifi and that is a major reason I'm not getting one any time soon. The 360 iteself cost $400 then add the cost of Live and the cost of the $100 wifi adatper and you're talking about a console that is more then the PS3! Having built in wifi on Wii is great.
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I would make it so simple all you would have to do is connect a single wire from the Wii to a laptop, and you can play online. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff.supersonic49
How would that be simple? That means I'd have to pull out my laptop everytime I wanted to play online, where as right now I can walk upstairs and play online right now without any hassle (except for some minor lag online of course :P ).
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[QUOTE="supersonic49"]I would make it so simple all you would have to do is connect a single wire from the Wii to a laptop, and you can play online. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff.REVOLUTIONfreak
How would that be simple? That means I'd have to pull out my laptop everytime I wanted to play online, where as right now I can walk upstairs and play online right now without any hassle (except for some minor lag online of course :P ).

I knew you'd say that. OK fine I'll make it simpler all you'll have to do is connect a single wire of the console to the TV. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff. No laptops needed. Ya happy?
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#30 REVOLUTIONfreak
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[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="supersonic49"]I would make it so simple all you would have to do is connect a single wire from the Wii to a laptop, and you can play online. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff.supersonic49
How would that be simple? That means I'd have to pull out my laptop everytime I wanted to play online, where as right now I can walk upstairs and play online right now without any hassle (except for some minor lag online of course :P ).

I knew you'd say that. OK fine I'll make it simpler all you'll have to do is connect a single wire of the console to the TV. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff. No laptops needed. Ya happy?

I still don't see how that would be easier... you only need to search for a signal ONCE in your console's entire life span, but with a wire you'd have to do it everytime you wanted to connect online.
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I would get rid of the Wii friend code and replace it with a Wii ID.
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#32 supersonic49
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[QUOTE="supersonic49"][QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="supersonic49"]I would make it so simple all you would have to do is connect a single wire from the Wii to a laptop, and you can play online. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff.REVOLUTIONfreak
How would that be simple? That means I'd have to pull out my laptop everytime I wanted to play online, where as right now I can walk upstairs and play online right now without any hassle (except for some minor lag online of course :P ).

I knew you'd say that. OK fine I'll make it simpler all you'll have to do is connect a single wire of the console to the TV. No stupid search-for-wireless-router-signal, and all that tedious stuff. No laptops needed. Ya happy?

I still don't see how that would be easier... you only need to search for a signal ONCE in your console's entire life span, but with a wire you'd have to do it everytime you wanted to connect online.

Fine you win, but I'm just saying I would try to make it as simple as possible to actually connect online but complex enough when you're actually playing so that you can talk to your opponet, etc. Oh yeah, and no friend codes. That's dumb.