The omission of common summons like Ifrit and Shiva in FFXII....

what do you think of the omission of common summons like Ifrit and Shiva in FFXII?

Adds new flavor to the recent FFs which is beginning to lose the traditional FF flavor?

Talk about originality, it seems recent titles have lost this specialty under some similar producers, FFXII is one of the masterpiece that broke out of this deadlock.

Thesesummons are not new, therewere originally featured in older FF games.

So, to end the PS2 reign, producers bring back memories of older FF games in this great piece of work (FFXII). And, summons are one of the commemoration icons.

But then, it was at the cost of popular summon creatures like Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut. They are now airships! (in FFXII) :P

(Topic built on by Kinetic-Core; originally suggested by AngelBless)

:P...It was an interesting change, but I somekinda missed Shiva and Ifrit...(anyway they will return in FFXIII, at least thats what it seems)

Belias, Mateus....and the others, well didnt gave me the same feeling

:P...It was an interesting change, but I somekinda missed Shiva and Ifrit...(anyway they will return in FFXIII, at least thats what it seems)

Belias, Mateus....and the others, well didnt gave me the same feeling

angelbless

Yeah, I know, because Ifrit and Shiva actually were worth using sometimes.

The only time I used the new ones are to see what they looked like. Other than that I had no use for them. So I prefer the old ones that just did thier spell and were on their way.joeadonis1

Same here, I just summoned them for looking their powers and their entry cinematic :?

what do you think of the omission of common summons like Ifrit and Shiva in FFXII?

Adds new flavor to the recent FFs which is beginning to lose the traditional FF flavor?

Talk about originality, it seems recent titles have lost this specialty under some similar producers, FFXII is one of the masterpiece that broke out of this deadlock.

Thesesummons are not new, therewere originally featured in older FF games.

So, to end the PS2 reign, producers bring back memories of older FF games in this great piece of work (FFXII). And, summons are one of the commemoration icons.

But then, it was at the cost of popular summon creatures like Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut. They are now airships! (in FFXII) :P

(Topic built on by Kinetic-Core; originally suggested by AngelBless)

kinetic-core

I missed having Ifrit and Shiva. Those summons are as nessesary to ff as chocobo.UntouchableHyer

Thats right :P

[QUOTE="UntouchableHyer"]I missed having Ifrit and Shiva. Those summons are as nessesary to ff as chocobo.angelbless

Thats right :P

ohh! Don't forget the moogles! :o

but yeah, I hope they make Ifrit and Shiva summons again, they were the summons I grew up liking!

Don't gforget that the earliest FF ames didn't have summons, moogles or chocobosfs_metal

but they did have cid which makes them FFs. but i still dont mind that shiva and ifrit were airships instead of summons.AlBeadFFx

[QUOTE="AlBeadFFx"]but they did have cid which makes them FFs. but i still dont mind that shiva and ifrit were airships instead of summons.fs_metal

Yip and no chocobos and moogles :?

It shows that FF can exist without some of it's common elements and still be FF. FFXII had chocobos and moogles. It was 100% real traditional FF in many ways. It also pushed the series foreward more than any game before itfs_metal

Now that is the absolute dumbest thing you've ever said. How about IV when they pushed plot more than ever before, or how about VII with 3-D graphics or maybe X with voice overs. But ya XII pushed the series foward more than any ff before it with eliminating the random battles and adding in boring gambits.:roll:

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]It shows that FF can exist without some of it's common elements and still be FF. FFXII had chocobos and moogles. It was 100% real traditional FF in many ways. It also pushed the series foreward more than any game before itUntouchableHyer

Now that is the absolute dumbest thing you've ever said. How about IV when they pushed plot more than ever before, or how about VII with 3-D graphics or maybe X with voice overs. But ya XII pushed the series foward more than any ff before it with eliminating the random battles and adding in boring gambits.:roll:

Gambits own dude. They are the best thing to ever happen to the series. The eliminate the annoyances, such as having to heal and dure status effects ever y 10 seconds

I'm sorry but the introduction of 3-D graphics and the use of voice overs are in my opinion more important then the addition of gambits. Oh i kinda think FF VI and FFT has better writting too.UntouchableHyer

FFVI and FFT did not have better writing., Not by a long shot. As much as I like hte script to FFVI because it is funny, it is not quality writing. It is bad translation. the PSP port of Tactics has writing on par with FFXII and Vagrant Story though.

FFXII did alot mroe for the FF series than just the gambits, as I described. FFXII does push the series more than any previous entry. That is a fact

Don't gforget that the earliest FF ames didn't have summons, moogles or chocobosfs_metal

I am pretty sure FF1 didnt have chocobos i know no summons dont know about moogles. FF2 on the other hand did have chocobos :). Anywho i like to find where cid is in every game and see what act he takes on that is what i like to see in the FF's(hopefully he is in the 13's) also Bahamut is in all of them and i love to see where he appears. Airships are in most of the FF's as well. :)

Well i dissagree i think XII's script was fairly boring and uninteresting, while i was more interested in what was being said in VI and tactics.UntouchableHyer

[QUOTE="fs_metal"]Don't gforget that the earliest FF ames didn't have summons, moogles or chocobosthe_winner30030

I am pretty sure FF1 didnt have chocobos i know no summons dont know about moogles. FF2 on the other hand did have chocobos :). Anywho i like to find where cid is in every game and see what act he takes on that is what i like to see in the FF's(hopefully he is in the 13's) also Bahamut is in all of them and i love to see where he appears. Airships are in most of the FF's as well. :)

looks like ill have to play all the FF's now just so i can have an interesting discussion about thisAlBeadFFx

You should play the remakes of the SNES games for the gba since snes games are hard to come by. If you don't want to play all of them VI is gonna be one you should definetly look into seeing as its the most popular from that era, even though IV has a pretty good story to.

looks like ill have to play all the FF's now just so i can have an interesting discussion about thisAlBeadFFx

I've never played DoC, so I really can't judge the game, but it certainly doesn't look that good to me. :|DJ-Lafleur

I'll take your word for it...DJ-Lafleur

Do so, its true.

I missed shiva and ifrit but its time to move on ffxii took it to the next level and even though i dont like gambits that much there they were a good addition to the ff series

I missed shiva and ifrit but its time to move on ffxii took it to the next level and even though i dont like gambits that much there they were a good addition to the ff series

I missed shiva and ifrit but its time to move on ffxii took it to the next level and even though i dont like gambits that much there they were a good addition to the ff series

Zepplin7885961

it doesn't hurt to move on, but that doesn't mean we have to change our summons, like the usual Ifrit or Shiva. Will FF have to move on from chocobos, moogles, airships also? Some things should be okay to keep, I think.

[QUOTE="Zepplin7885961"]

I missed shiva and ifrit but its time to move on ffxii took it to the next level and even though i dont like gambits that much there they were a good addition to the ff series

DJ-Lafleur

it doesn't hurt to move on, but that doesn't mean we have to change our summons, like the usual Ifrit or Shiva. Will FF have to move on from chocobos, moogles, airships also? Some things should be okay to keep, I think.

Dont forget crystals. Even though they are left out of some ffs they are still a signiture of the old school and imo better games.

I missed Ifrit and Shiva in the FFXll too. I do love the summons that they give you in FFXll. They are cool. You know Square Enix they will find a way to use them again. If you get the Collecters of FFXll they tell you that all of this FF is not new it was in another FF game as an unlockable.