[Debate] Nami (sfkm2) vs Kuna (shadowking)

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Creator: sfkm2

Zanpakutou Name: Nami *Legendary*

Appearance While Released: The sword only change by appearance but not by form. It has a white scarf on her hilt with blood on it and the point of the sword is pointy and sharp. Also, on the blade of the sword it's says, Sword master Mistress.

Release Command: Slaughter the Weak

Special Abilities: its ability is using winds in a wave projectile type. Also, one slash without touch the opponent also creates a wind attack and has more pressure without touching the opponent

Bankai: Slaughter, Denkiteki Nami Megami. (Slaughter, the Legendary Wave Goddess) When I activate it, Nami disappear completely out of sight. Then Typhoon Waves appears around me and then absorb inside my body. As I absorb the bankai, a face behind me appears which is the Legendary Wave Goddess Nami making my opponent fear Nami and me. I use the bankai in a way of Hand to Hand Combat, Kido, and Shunpo. Meaning that I can unleash a Wave Projectiles from hand instead of my zanpakuto (kido). The Hand to Hand Combat in a way of Bankai is almost like my shikai but different. Every fist attack, kick attack, etc. will have wind pressure behind the attack. In a way of Shunpo is real awesome. Every time I shunpo pass you, Wave Winds blows you away by the way I use the speed of shunpo.

Activating the 2nd Form of Bankai: When I activate the second form, Nami comes out of my body which she absorbs inside me when I activate the first form of Bankai. Nami becomes my zanpakuto once again but different. (Remember the white scarf on her hilt) The white scarf appears around me my neck. As the scarf comes around my neck, the flowing energy of chaos waves surrounds me and my zanpakuto being ready for a fight. (Note, the scarf is not wrap over my neck or I will become unstable of the 2nd Form of Bankai)

Description of the 2nd Form of Bankai: The abilities that I can use Nami which was in Kido and Hand to Hand Combat comes to an end. The only thing I can do in this form is zanpakuto techniques and shunpo.(For example, Remember Byakuya shooting that kido, White Lightning through Ichigo shoulder which was funny but cheap and all. Well he did his in his bankai form while I can't do any kido or hand to hand combat at all.) Anyway, the power has increase when I use my zanpakuto to attack. Which is different from my shikai. Meaning one slash directly or not directly is a lot of damage still but more. In those attacks, huge chaos and wave winds are combined together.

Technique- Eye of the Sword: One Last Standing Attack - It just like Senka except Chaos Winds is included.

Vs.

Creator: Shadowking

Name : Kuna

Release Command : Swallow the world , Kuna

Shinkai abilities :

In shinkai mode , Kuna can control the ground . It can cause earthquakes , it can deform the ground/terrain depending how the user wants it and many more .

At any time , kuna can scatter into sand and cover the entire area with sand . The user then can control the sand how he likes : make mountains , open holes , make sand tornados , create sand warriors and many others things . The sand can also attack the enemy at anytime and once it captures the enemy it transforms into rocks ,, trapping him inside . The sand can be used either for attacking(for example while attacking it can transform into thousands of tiny little blades) or defending(make a barrier around the user) .

Bankai abilities :

In Bankai mode , Kuna comes out as a spirit to fight along with the user . This means , there are two users who can control the sand . Its like fighting me in shinkai but twice as hard cause i have Kuna watching my back . Also , now Kuna has awakened his ability to use the sand to create a fortress around me and the enemy . Noone can enter the fortress from the outside and none can get out until the battle is over . This fortress prevents any light from coming inside , so that means that it is absolutely dark . Neither me or the enemy can see anything but Kuna can . Since the fortress is made out of sand , there is no escape from there . That's why the fortress is called : The fortress of the Lost!!!

It is time to start the debate. I want a good debate. This is worth points,members.

START!

ouuuu kuna is taking on the big dogs :P

i will let the others start this and i'll be around to explain if anything is needed

*waiting for others so I can slaughter this debate*

:twisted: I will wait, too.

I will say this.... Waves deals with two things. :lol:

lets take it from the beginning...

its WIND vs SAND/GROUND..its two elements against each other . Now , i guess a very strong wind could blow away the sands but he can make the sands hard as rock . Can a wind blow away a rock ? I say they are kinda equal for now..

Sending winds he can protect himself from the sand attacks but kuna can do the same with rock barriers . Now...as i see it there is going to be a hard battle while both in shinkai . But when they go bankai i don't know....im going to think some more

Why blow away the sands when I can stop it from hitting me or whatever?

Have you ever watch Avatar the Last Airbender before? Did you notice about their styIe using elements. Ok. Please look at the info under my first bankai.

*raise my hand in offense style*

You prepare for heavy pressure? Oh. Let's not forget Shunpo and it's effect. Oh. Let's not forget the 2nd Bankai ability. How can sand hit choas wind that's flowing around my zanpakuto and myself.

Oh. Again. The scarf. You really want my scarf off my neck? Be my guest.

Now.... Your turn.

shunpo and its effect won't work....he is like Gaara . His defence is really tite . About him attacking you...ur right . He cannot easily attack you . But , as he says , he can make the sand anything . For example he can throw a huge rock at you or something like that . The wind won't stop that....Grottekvarnen

Let's all laugh.

*everyone laughs then stop*

We should laugh because this is good dang debate. Let's continue.

There's a reason why I created that zanpakuto and it was for Gin's Created Zanpakuto.

A) I can go to the second level of shunpo which is in my 2nd Bankai form. I can only use shunpo and my zanpakuto.

B) I can crush those rocks by using Wind Projectiles which is under Kido Category.

C) Last choice is what Captain Gin probably want in a fight. If I take my scarf off, you think he keep up with me. :twisted:

INSANITY BABY!

im still in a state of shock because this fight came up. i cant think straight now but i di have to say this.

in one episode of the Legend of the last airbender, the avatar along with his friends were trapped inside this rock mountain. his air bending wasnt able to help them in any way because air movement was limited. having said that, if kuna goes bankai, that might do the same with nami's wind abilities inside kuna's fortress.

if it was an open area battle, nami's is at an advantage unless kuna utilizes the ground wisely.

It doesn't say that in his bankai info, ichinose-san. I can use my chaos wind inside. Meaning

*slams the door and takes off my scarf*

He is trap with an insane person. It is better if he doesn't release bankai. Better yet. I can use that 1st Bankai and just play Cat and Mouse in his fortress.

So what I would like to know is the sands of Kuna are they everlasting? As in could they continue to block any wind attacks from Nami?dancingbeatle

take it as byakuya and gaara..or even crocodile....does their ability ever end ? no

*sighs*

It seem like you never heard of sensing spiritual pressure. Plus. That's not normal wind/air. It chaos winds.

@ Nemu- That's a good question. How long Kuna going block Nami's chaos winds attacks? Especially Eye of the Sword: One Last Standing Attack..

you give too much credit to chaos energy..anyway

inside the fortress..you are completely sarrounded by sand . Meaning..millions of ways to attack you . And defend himself . Also, there is Kuna . A demon who can see you while you must try and sense the others to attack them . Shadow can do the same . He can sense you . 2 vs 1 .... in his arena

don't underestimate that

[QUOTE="dancingbeatle"]So what I would like to know is the sands of Kuna are they everlasting? As in could they continue to block any wind attacks from Nami?Grottekvarnen

take it as byakuya and gaara..or even crocodile....does their ability ever end ? no

that is correct...my sands never end

you give too much credit to chaos energy..anyway

inside the fortress..you are completely sarrounded by sand . Meaning..millions of ways to attack you . And defend himself . Also, there is Kuna . A demon who can see you while you must try and sense the others to attack them . Shadow can do the same . He can sense you . 2 vs 1 .... in his arena

don't underestimate that

Grottekvarnen

Did you forget? I'm not the one getting the points in this debate. I'm hosting the debate. You suppose to come in and disagree or agree with anything I say. That's the point of debating.

I'm recording everyone comments. I'm rating to see if your making sense or not.

Now then. Let's continue. So me giving too much credit you probably going see. I'm testing you all.

@Bold- I didn't forget or underestimating him or Kuna.

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When I activate the second form, Nami comes out of my body which she absorbs inside me when I activate the first form of Bankai. Nami becomes my zanpakuto once again but different. (Remember the white scarf on her hilt) The white scarf appears around my neck. As the scarf comes around my neck, the flowing energy of chaos waves surrounds me and my zanpakuto ready for a fight. (Note, the scarf is not wrap over my neck or I will become unstable of the 2nd Form of Bankai)

Description of the 2nd Form of Bankai: The abilities that I can use Nami which was in Kido and Hand to Hand Combat comes to an end. The only thing I can do in this form is zanpakuto techniques and shunpo.(For example, Remember Byakuya shooting that kido, White Lightning through Ichigo shoulder which was funny but cheap and all. Well he did his in his bankai form while I can't do any kido or hand to hand combat at all.) Anyway, the power has increase when I use my zanpakuto to attack. Which is different from my shikai. Meaning one slash directly or not directly is a lot of damage still but more. In those attacks, huge chaos and wave winds are combined together.

Technique- Eye of the Sword: One Last Standing Attack - It just like Senka except Chaos Winds is included.

still...you're proving nothing . Zanpakuto techniques won't do much when in the fortress . You need to come near me to attack which is little impossible and if you do come near me i have other tricks under my sleeve . So again...try something elseShadowKing32

*sighs*

Let me break it down for you.

Your fortress is your double edge sword. We are both trap inside. I have to play mind games with you. 3 years in this union and I always play mind games with people. (Except Yoruichi 1 to her Billions. That 1 is because of that restaurant.... I think)

ANYWAY.

To overcome your fortress, you, and Kuna.

1- I'm trap inside. I can't see but I'm on level 2 of Bankai. Also. I can sense your spiritual pressure. Actually... I can sense yours and your spirit. The spirit is helping you....right?

2- Zanpakuto Techniques and Shunpo are the only things I can do. So let's begin the mind games. I can flash step all over the place (not around you) and randomly launch chaos waves inside the fortress.

Ex of this styIe: Goku vs Freiza. Goku in the water.

3- While you are trying to catch me (Shunpo increase on this level), I can do the same thing that Ichigo did in Episode 57 or 58.

4- Did you forget that every time I flash step, chaos winds comes afterwards.

5- I do know I have chaos waves energy flowing around me and the zanpakuto. So... I won't mind coming towards you. Upclose battle? I don't mind. Nami always have my back.

6- The fortress. You gave me the advantage to use Eye of the Sword: One Last Standing Attack.

7- You really want to trap an insane captain? *points at my scarf* If bankai 2nd form is X2, how much will it increase if I take the scarf off?

Oh. That's just 7. I got another set of 7 step plan of taking your fortress and Kuna down.

The next set is about my 1st bankai against your Kuna.

I'm always 10 steps ahead of everyone except one person.

Edit.

*comes backs*

I forgot.

It is 8. I can flash step all over the place. So.... I can just bounce all over the fortress' walls. I will try that to see if the chaos wind break that down.

*leaves*

hmm..well , it is supposed that the two swords are being used by two equal opponents in term of strength and all . So your craziness won't help lol (cause we are examine the zanpakutos only)

Anyway , all what you said about those strategies all correct . Here is what Shadow can do :

1)Make a barrier like a sphere around him so he is protected by all directions(like gaara = try beat that :P ) 

2) Since its already dark and he can't see you either he can sense you like you do . So he can launch attacks towards you !!!

3) Use the field of the battle . Don't forget that EVERYTHING is sand . He can reform it the way he likes and you being able not to see is very difficult to bounce like how you say . You can sense the spiritual pressure of Kuna&Shadow but not the sand . He can make walls and you going to fall directly at them :lol: (have seen green latern doing that to flash when he was making like crazy about his speed )

4) Most important . There are 3 people inside the fortress . 3 people who are equal in strength . Shadow , you and Kuna . 2 of them cannot see and must rely on sensing each other . 1 CAN see . Now tell me . Can you react as fast as a person who clearly sees you when you must concentrate to sense him ? Can you say yes ? is there a second of delay ? THAT second can be deadly

Now , to summarize . Its all a matter of strategy . This game is kinda equal in strength thats why i said from the beginning that is going to be a hell of a battle . But , the WHOLE battle depends on the wielders of the swords . They will play chess inside that fortress and whoever is clever will WIN this ....

hmm..well , it is supposed that the two swords are being used by two equal opponents in term of strength and all . So your craziness won't help lol (cause we are examine the zanpakutos only)

Grottekvarnen

Ok then. I'm going slaughter that quote up there.

If this is a Zanpakuto vs Zanpakuto, Nami would still have that scarf around her neck. If the scarf goes off, it will go beyond X2 strength.

So still. Even if not me, it is still craziness.

[QUOTE="Grottekvarnen"]

hmm..well , it is supposed that the two swords are being used by two equal opponents in term of strength and all . So your craziness won't help lol (cause we are examine the zanpakutos only)

sfkm2

Ok then. I'm going slaughter that quote up there.

If this is a Zanpakuto vs Zanpakuto, Nami would still have that scarf around her neck. If the scarf goes off, it will go beyond X2 strength.

So still. Even if not me, it is still craziness.

you slaughter nothing...u got offence he has defence = equal

first of all, i do respect that sfkm2 is responsible for debates like these.

however, i feel that he's being biased in this debate. i'm not trying to tell you what to do, but wouldn't it be better if other people would debate on this and the owners of the zanpakutou are here only to clear things up about their swords? that goes with shadow, too.

sfkm2 is putting too much credit on his zanpakutous abilities, just as grottekvarnen stated earlier about putting too much credit on chaos energy (in this case winds).

i would suggest in future zanpakutou debate that owners inhibit from debate and instead provide clarifications in case of confusion about the zanpakutou abilities.

I guess this goes without saying but what makes the sand keep its form? Reiatsu or what? Also when Kuna makes a barrier for protection how long does that last? I mean if it takes a lot of energy to make does the barrier weaken and disappear? dancingbeatle

ok look

everything and i mean everything we do uses energy so its only logical that the sands need reiatsu . Same goes for the opponent for his/her attacks . But , this energy that is consumed is really nothing compared to the total lvl of energy .And its still logical that the more the battle continues the more weaker will the attacks become(same applies to the opponent .

Now , when in bankai and in fortress , Kuna's lvl of energy is full even if im exhausted from hours of battle . Cause , the wielder needs to consume energy to take zanpakuto's abilities while zanpakuto doesn't .

Take this like byakuya . Do the blossoms get weaker and weaker ? Take this like gaara or crocodile . Do their sands ever weaken and disappear ? Don't think so

@Ichinose-san

No. What did I say? When it comes to debates, I want you to destroy the bias opinions or whatever coming from me or other owners.You are getting points if you do that. I recording each comment in this thread. Do I really care if I win or lose or about this thread? No. I have reasons for this these debate threads to be up. Nami already lost/won against another legendary zanpakuto in 2008.

Continue on please. Besides. There are no rules beside sticking to your facts of your zanpakuto only. No add ins.

@Grottek- You misread my info. I have a defense. The chaos wind flowing around Nami only in the 2nd Bankai Form. I don't have that defense in shikai or 1st Bankai Form.

ATTENTION!

[spoiler] Kuna vs Kuryu- The winner is Yoruichi (meaning not sure). I can't tell since I miss an important detail that was said from certain high ranking member. That info question me last night while viewing the topic. So.... I will open that thread up again soon. [/spoiler]

Question for shadow- When the fortress forms, it traps Nami and Kuna in. However, the sand doesn't cover the ground..... right?

Also. Your spirit is wide open. Why Nami or I go after the user when we can go after the spirit. You can't see. We go after who can see.

i said in a fortress which means everywhere is sand . Read my shinkai details . It says is scatters into sand and covers the entire area . EVERYWHERE . So to aswer your question . Yes..the floor is also sand . Thats why grottek said that Kuna can shape the ground to his like .

Also , Kuna and I are in total communication with each other . Meaning i can sense him . So , I can watch his back to a certain degree . Furthermore , Kuna can see your attacks while you can't .... so go ahead and attack him lol

and explain me why Kuna didn't win in the previous debate ? if you watch the poll and the debate you will see who the winner is

Hmm that is weird..everything seems fine to me -_-

For the next debate , I want my zanpakuto to be against another one so we can see if it can be legendary

Hmm that is weird..everything seems fine to me -_-

For the next debate , I want my zanpakuto to be against another one so we can see if it can be legendary

Grottekvarnen

It is already set.

Captain Aizen's created Zanpakuto vs Captain Gin's Legendary Zanpakuto.

i have two zanpakutos...zenkito and saphira

which one will participate?

In Shikai they can hamper each other because the earthquake ability of Kuna can really offset the aim of Nami's wielder, whereas the one with Nami can blow the sand away and erode stone with the wind. However the stone can be molded to work as a windvane or wing to redirect the air so again another cancellation at the expense of the shield being eroded to some extent. In another idea the force behind the winds could slice through the stoned, but then the stone could turn/explode into sand and disrupt the air again. Then if Nami's wielder takes to the air to escape the earthquakes, then that make a sandstorm much more easier to deal with considering both will include powerful winds. On top of that Nami's wind blasts will definitely stir the sand so the wielder could potentially have a limited vision to fight with, and considering they're only in Shikai that means it'll be much harder to defend with an opponent in a stealthy offensive. Why? Because the sand is instilled with spirit particles that can make tracking Kuna's wielder harder.

Whether chaos plays into that is dubious without a clear explanation of what effect it has. But from just calling it "Chaos Winds" could be interpreted as a means to overcome an enemy's resistance to air attacks in that some portion of the damage is air while the rest is chaos. Another thing it could do, being chaos and working with a wind-based concept, the chaos part could upset the balance and density of spirit particles in the air, which might make it good with fighting Quincy but here it's two Shinigami so no hope there.

Then there's the idea of stone projectiles, in which Nami can counter with a sharp wind blast or even using the intensity of the blasts to affect direction of the wind or air currents and send the stone projectiles astray. BUT this is supposing that the stone projectiles are aerodynamic like a spike or the like, but let's say a boulder is used. Well the wind can hardly have an effect in that so it'd have to just be a slicing wind. But suppose the boulder changes to sand when the wind impacts? Then the wind just slices through and the sand can move in on the wielder of Nami. However that's supposing that the person doesn't have a second swing at the ready and/or doesn't shunpos away.

Now for Bankai to come into play. Supposing they activate at the same time, it's a gamble again. Firstly, both are trapped in the fortress. Secondly, It's two-on-one when Kuna is released, on top of the fact that it can see within the fortress when the other two can't see a thing. But if the fortress is just sand, then Nami's 1st Bankai can erode the fortress from the inside much more easily than if it is just stone, even with the air restriction since the air is concentrated around the wielder. But I wonder if that means the windvane effect can't be used to pierce through the winds to attack Nami's wielder. Or even an attack from below becaus I suppose that would be where the air is thinest.

Also with the fortress there's the ability to reform it on the inside because the sand is easy to manipulate. It'd be easy to trap someone in there even with Shunpo because Kuna could sense you coming since your inside the Bankai. Not only that but again with the sand being infused with spiritual energy it would hamper Nami's wielder's ability to track Kuna's wielder. Then if Nami's 2nd Bankai comes into play then it's dangerous for Kuna's wielder to come within striking range.

However with the vision problem there's one thing you forget: If the pressure of wind is concentrated from area and moved to another, especially a high density of air moved suddenly with a high amount of air pressure, lightning can be created, so the wielder of Nami can light up the darkness and if they maintain a continual stream of electricity then they definitely can maintain a two-front battle. And we all know that earth doesn't cancel electricity but more like is a lightning rod for it. Like a great big magnet. So that means if worked just right, like say they dodge an attack from Kuna's wielder with the blade, then the lightning can spring from the ground through the sword and bam Kuna's wielder gets shocked and hurt. Or even Kuna might feel the sting if the lighting happens to strike near it.

Like the explantion and details. However, it seem like EVERYONE forgets.

Shunpo's effect

Scarf- in 2nd Form of Bankai.

Everything else look good. I will reread it later.

That wasn't even the point I was making.

The point he was making:

Lightning strike the opponent or near them

&

Light.

Am I'm right?

forget lightning for damage

for light...hmm maybe...still how much lightning can he generate and for how long ? doesn't he need to consume air or something like that to do it ? they are going to die cause of no oxygen :lol:

@sfkm2: Pretty much.

@Grottek: Actually to give you a broad, vivid picture the channeling of the chaos winds would increase the kinetic energy in the air, which is usually always in the form of heat energy. And electricity is another form of energy. The high air pressure and the displacement from an area of higher pressure to lower pressure converts the heat energy into electrical energy. And thus lightning is produced. The oxygen in the air remains the same but it loses (gives off) the energy in the form of a lightning bolt, which would be accompanied by thunder because of the change from high pressure to lower pressure. So the wielders might actually end up deaf, not suffocating. :lol:

I do know one thing and I have to use your quote against you and others, Aizen.

When it comes down to two shinigami fighting, spiritual pressure is the major thing in this battle. Forget the sands, the chaos winds, etc. The major thing is spiritual pressure.

Bankai vs Bankai is even out. However.

I have a 2nd Form Bankai and beyond when Nami or I take that scarf off. Aizen you did cancel out Soi Fon's deadly shikai hit by using your massive spiritual pressure.

Polls be up later tonight with directions.

There's a difference. We are examining abilities. However, he putting all his spiritual pressure in that fortress while I use mines for more different things. Also. I see it as him being drain if that fight continues in that fortress.

Whoever voted BETTER have a reason of voting for that one. You just don't vote and leave. Vote and put a reason or that vote doesn't count.