ok so i understand that a gate address is 6 symbols then a seventh for the point of entry and somtimes and 8th for like an area code but the point of entry thing does that mean each symbol represnents a planet cause there aint that much symbols is this just somting not paid attention by the writers or am i wrong
The symbols are supposed to represent constellations visible from Earth, but the whole gate addressing system falls apart if you look at it at all closely. It's best just to assume that they are like IP addresses and move on :)
i was actually typing something else but i reliased that each dhd has a unique symbol which is the planet's point of origin so it dosent matter that their are 6 co-codinates because every planet will have an individual dhd symbol making the gate address unique
i was actually typing something else but i reliased that each dhd has a unique symbol which is the planet's point of origin so it dosent matter that their are 6 co-codinates because every planet will have an individual dhd symbol making the gate address uniquemjk1
That was my guess too. I've always wondered that, but I assumed that because the Earth symbol (the 'A' looking one) is only ever seen on the Earth gate then each planet/DHD must have it's own symbol for it's point of origin. So they must just dial the 6 they know for Earth, plus the new symbol they see on the DHD (I vaguely remember this in one episode? Maybe that's where they explained it) I can't believe us, the hard core SG fans we are don't know this, lol.
Im not really sure about it either but since there are thousands of planets and only 36 symbols some of the points of origin are probably reused somehow.
I think point of origins are only relevant to the planets they are actually on. Because the much older gate on Earth from the Ancient outpost had a symbol of a line with a circle resting on top of it. Also the gate in the mothership when Apophis first tried to attack Earth worked at the planet it was first orbiting when Sg-1 gated in and when Daniel used it to escape. So the gates aren't fixed to a specfic planet. You could haul them anywhere and use them on another planet.
I have an interesting plot hole regarding the symbols: the Goa'uld din't build the stargates yet the Giza gate and Abydonian gate both show pyramids which where well after the time of the Ancients.
EDIT: Forgot about the DHD's. I think you have to take the DHD that comes with its corresponding gate with you to make it work.
EDIT: Forgot about the DHD's. I think you have to take the DHD that comes with its corresponding gate with you to make it work.
deshields538
Except we've seen the DHD from the Antarctic gate used with both gates on Earth. Similarly, the gate on Apophis' ship was used both at it's location where the team gated aboard and from Earth, where Daniel gated to the Alpha site. Like I said, it's best just to take the gate addressing system as a given and not analyze it too closely. It really falls apart pretty completely under close scrutiny.
EDIT: Forgot about the DHD's. I think you have to take the DHD that comes with its corresponding gate with you to make it work.
xaos
Except we've seen the DHD from the Antarctic gate used with both gates on Earth. Similarly, the gate on Apophis' ship was used both at it's location where the team gated aboard and from Earth, where Daniel gated to the Alpha site. Like I said, it's best just to take the gate addressing system as a given and not analyze it too closely. It really falls apart pretty completely under close scrutiny.
Oh... I thought they only used the DHD, which was the Giza one, on one gate. Also when I said you had to take the DHD with you I meant it could be used anywhere as well like the gate. It's like a package that you need to set up.
EDIT: Forgot about the DHD's. I think you have to take the DHD that comes with its corresponding gate with you to make it work.
deshields538
Except we've seen the DHD from the Antarctic gate used with both gates on Earth. Similarly, the gate on Apophis' ship was used both at it's location where the team gated aboard and from Earth, where Daniel gated to the Alpha site. Like I said, it's best just to take the gate addressing system as a given and not analyze it too closely. It really falls apart pretty completely under close scrutiny.
Oh... I thought they only used the DHD, which was the Giza one, on one gate. Also when I said you had to take the DHD with you I meant it could be used anywhere as well like the gate. It's like a package that you need to set up.
But if the point of origin glyph is specific to each planet, either it would have to be one of the 38 glyphs and there could only be 38 gates in the gate network, or there would have to be a unique "placeholder" glyph on each gate/DHD and it would be uniquely tied to its location and you wouldn't be able to transport gates to other locations.
EDIT: Forgot about the DHD's. I think you have to take the DHD that comes with its corresponding gate with you to make it work.
xaos
Except we've seen the DHD from the Antarctic gate used with both gates on Earth. Similarly, the gate on Apophis' ship was used both at it's location where the team gated aboard and from Earth, where Daniel gated to the Alpha site. Like I said, it's best just to take the gate addressing system as a given and not analyze it too closely. It really falls apart pretty completely under close scrutiny.
Oh... I thought they only used the DHD, which was the Giza one, on one gate. Also when I said you had to take the DHD with you I meant it could be used anywhere as well like the gate. It's like a package that you need to set up.
But if the point of origin glyph is specific to each planet, either it would have to be one of the 38 glyphs and there could only be 38 gates in the gate network, or there would have to be a unique "placeholder" glyph on each gate/DHD and it would be uniquely tied to its location and you wouldn't be able to transport gates to other locations.
Well what I think is that if you move a gate to another planet with its DHD and then you hook it up to the gate system again on that planet the system will detect that and will automatically associate that symbol to the new planet. Not like the huge automatic correlative updates but more of a patch. One Stargate cannot be associated to one planet permantly as Ra brought a Stargate from another planet to Earth so he could transport humans to where he wished. I know it's just speculation but I think it makes sense.
Well what I think is that if you move a gate to another planet with its DHD and then you hook it up to the gate system again on that planet the system will detect that and will automatically associate that symbol to the new planet. Not like the huge automatic correlative updates but more of a patch. One Stargate cannot be associated to one planet permantly as Ra brought a Stargate from another planet to Earth so he could transport humans to where he wished. I know it's just speculation but I think it makes sense.
deshields538
I don't think I buy that, if for no other reason than we know gates can permanently be moved. Ra used the Giza gate on Earth for centuries or millenia, and prior to that, the Ancients used the Antarctic gate. Similarly, the SGC operated with the Giza gate for 5-6 years (with the NID and Russians using the Antarctic gate concurrent with some of these), and now is operating with the Antarctic gate.
Well what I think is that if you move a gate to another planet with its DHD and then you hook it up to the gate system again on that planet the system will detect that and will automatically associate that symbol to the new planet. Not like the huge automatic correlative updates but more of a patch. One Stargate cannot be associated to one planet permantly as Ra brought a Stargate from another planet to Earth so he could transport humans to where he wished. I know it's just speculation but I think it makes sense.
xaos
I don't think I buy that, if for no other reason than we know gates can permanently be moved. Ra used the Giza gate on Earth for centuries or millenia, and prior to that, the Ancients used the Antarctic gate. Similarly, the SGC operated with the Giza gate for 5-6 years (with the NID and Russians using the Antarctic gate concurrent with some of these), and now is operating with the Antarctic gate.
Ahhhh.... I see where you're coming from now. Both the Giza and Antartic gates seem to have the same point of origin though they shouldn't or there would have to be many many more symbols. Is that what you mean?
Well what I think is that if you move a gate to another planet with its DHD and then you hook it up to the gate system again on that planet the system will detect that and will automatically associate that symbol to the new planet. Not like the huge automatic correlative updates but more of a patch. One Stargate cannot be associated to one planet permantly as Ra brought a Stargate from another planet to Earth so he could transport humans to where he wished. I know it's just speculation but I think it makes sense.
deshields538
I don't think I buy that, if for no other reason than we know gates can permanently be moved. Ra used the Giza gate on Earth for centuries or millenia, and prior to that, the Ancients used the Antarctic gate. Similarly, the SGC operated with the Giza gate for 5-6 years (with the NID and Russians using the Antarctic gate concurrent with some of these), and now is operating with the Antarctic gate.
Ahhhh.... I see where you're coming from now. Both the Giza and Antartic gates seem to have the same point of origin though they shouldn't or there would have to be many many more symbols. Is that what you mean?
That's one of my objections, yes :) I notice that I don't think I've heard point of origin mentioned on the show in years. I think they are doing their best to just ignore it these days.
From what I remember in the movie, the symbols will be completely different planet to planet as the constellations will be different. So you have to figure the 6 planets for the destination, 2 for each axis in 3D space, and then the point of origin, which is already "preset" with the 6 coordinates. That was kind of a big part of the movie plot in that Daniel says he can get them home, but when they get there he guesses how to get home. I'll have to watch the movie again to be sure though.
yeah in the early episodes in season 1 each time they went to a different planet daniel had to figure which gate symbols to use the gate back home, but they dont pay much attention to it nowdays
yeah in the early episodes in season 1 each time they went to a different planet daniel had to figure which gate symbols to use the gate back home, but they dont pay much attention to it nowdays mjk1
I'd bet that it's like the alien languages, they just gloss over it for the sake of time in each episode. You could easily waste a load of time on each episode on language alone, and then nothing cool would happen:(
yeah in the early episodes in season 1 each time they went to a different planet daniel had to figure which gate symbols to use the gate back home, but they dont pay much attention to it nowdays mjk1
Ok, so a lot of people are confused upon this matter. Here is what is all is in a nut-shell: The first six symbols are like directions that you would get from a person on how to get to their house. The seventh symbol shows the gate where to start from. The seventh symbol is always the point of origin hence the part that is where you start from. It is just like a placeholder on the DHD. Some place in space have the same origin symbol. Other have different. Really it is just showing a place to start the wormhole.
The eighth chevron really just adds a great distance to the other six. I think that the eighth actually means distance in terms of galaxies themselves.
And DHDs can be used with other gates. They are just like a user interface for a computer. Whether you see what key you are pressing the computer doesn't car it knows what you are pressing. The DHD and Gate work the same way. If you press the symbol of origin on a DHD and it is different than the gates the gate just says, "oh, you pressed my origin symbol." And the gate knows the origin as a point in space not a symbol.
Oh, and for the part about the symbol of origin that the movie and Earth's symbol, being of Goa'uld design it is because the Goa'uld can change the symbols on the gate...They just can't make them. I think they can even just replicate them, but don't know how they work. It is the same concept as above it knows its own origin not as a symbol, but as a point in space.
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