God of War II Moves *Spoilers!*

-Ascension/Hermes Rush have been slightly altered (using [  ]+directional button)

-Apollo's Ascension hasn't changed

-I'm guessing the new double spinning numchuck move is an improved version of the old Apollo's Offensive (or perhaps the replacement of Falling Helios as I have yet to see it used)

-Cyclone of Chaos (air) hasn't changed but the ground version has been GREATLY improved

-Rising Helios is still terrible (in my opinion it is useless for God Mode)

-There is a new ground pound move (possibly a new version of the Lance of the Furies (ground version w/o charge)

-Orion's Harpoon can be controlled (used to hit other enemies)

-New mid-air hits (making [  ] useful in the air)

-Double Achilles Flip (a second flip is possible now)

-Hermes Stomp has yet to be seen (this isn't surprising since I'm one of the few who use it)

-Lance of the Furies (air) hasn't been used yet

--Low level "melee enemies" have multiple grapples (for different purposes and a variety of gruesome kills)...these are some of the kill animations I've seen so far:

1. Undeada) Rip in 1/2 b) stab and swing c) tackle to stabs d) toss to bounce

2. ImpsGrapple toss to face stomp Finisher take axes, cleave legs to skull splitter

3. Undead Satyr a) slam to toss b) uppercut c) neck snap d) arm rip to impale (w/ arm)

4. Undead GrenaderGrapple back stab to toss w/ bounce Finsher tackle, face pound/impale

~More later

That's preatty neat, i hope that they announce more stuff.sexypansas

That's preatty neat, i hope that they announce more stuff.sexypansas

but how could GOW suck? mario_man_12

[QUOTE="mario_man_12"]but how could GOW suck? curlfro

I'm with him on this one. I would like to see new moves and powers because if they are the same then they only difrence would be the story line and that wouldn't be as fun

If it is delayed, then you know it has a serious problem. Ususally games that are delayed turn out to be terrible.maces88

If it is delayed, then you know it has a serious problem. Ususally games that are delayed turn out to be terrible.maces88

TOPIC REVIVAL *clear*

When reading Barlog's Blog I learned that the R2 button is intended for weapon swapping.

Through various videos I've gathered the following:

-Ascension/Hermes Rush have been slightly altered (using [  ]+directional button)

-Apollo's Ascension hasn't changed

-I'm guessing the new double spinning numchuck move is an improved version of the old Apollo's Offensive (or perhaps the replacement of Falling Helios as I have yet to see it used)

-Cyclone of Chaos (air) hasn't changed but the ground version has been GREATLY improved

-Rising Helios is still terrible (in my opinion it is useless for God Mode)

-There is a new ground pound move (possibly a new version of the Lance of the Furies *ground version w/o charge*)

-Orion's Harpoon can be controlled (used to hit other enemies)

-New mid-air hits (making [  ] useful in the air)

-Double Achilles Flip (a second flip is possible now)

-Hermes Stomp has yet to be seen (this isn't surprising since I'm one of the few who use it)

-Lance of the Furies (air) hasn't been used yet

--Low level "melee enemies" have multiple grapples (for different purposes and a variety of gruesome kills)...these are some of the kill animations I've seen so far:

1. Undeada) Rip in 1/2 b) stab and swing c) tackle to stabs d) toss to bounce

2. ImpsGrapple toss to face stomp Finisher take axes, cleave legs to skull splitter

3. Undead Satyr a) slam to toss b) uppercut c) neck snap d) arm rip to impale (w/ arm)

4. Undead GrenaderGrapple back stab to toss w/ bounce Finsher tackle, face pound/impale

~More later

TOPIC REVIVAL *clear*

When reading Barlog's Blog I learned that the R2 button is intended for weapon swapping.

Through various videos I've gathered the following:

-Ascension/Hermes Rush have been slightly altered (using [ ]+directional button)

-Apollo's Ascension hasn't changed

-I'm guessing the new double spinning numchuck move is an improved version of the old Apollo's Offensive (or perhaps the replacement of Falling Helios as I have yet to see it used)

-Cyclone of Chaos (air) hasn't changed but the ground version has been GREATLY improved

-Rising Helios is still terrible (in my opinion it is useless for God Mode)

-There is a new ground pound move (possibly a new version of the Lance of the Furies *ground version w/o charge*)

-Orion's Harpoon can be controlled (used to hit other enemies)

-New mid-air hits (making [ ] useful in the air)

-Double Achilles Flip (a second flip is possible now)

-Hermes Stomp has yet to be seen (this isn't surprising since I'm one of the few who use it)

-Lance of the Furies (air) hasn't been used yet

--Low level "melee enemies" have multiple grapples (for different purposes and a variety of gruesome kills)...these are some of the kill animations I've seen so far:

1. Undeada) Rip in 1/2 b) stab and swing c) tackle to stabs d) toss to bounce

2. ImpsGrapple toss to face stomp Finisher take axes, cleave legs to skull splitter

3. Undead Satyr a) slam to toss b) uppercut c) neck snap d) arm rip to impale (w/ arm)

4. Undead GrenaderGrapple back stab to toss w/ bounce Finsher tackle, face pound/impale

~More later

the-creeper

That's good to hear.

~Whenever I have more to add I'll be sure to chime in

did u guys check out gametrailers.com lately? i'm sure creeper would have, but i thought i'd tell u that there are like 5 attacks available once u grab one of those new opponents (u know, the ones wiyh the satyr legs?) dunno the buttons, but here are the list: 1-throw. which works more like throwing a spear, not like the O, square move in GOW with the undead soldiers 2-neck braking. we saw an early version of this move in the early trailers; remember when kratos grabbed one and then stepped on his back, so he can rip his upper body off? well, they exchanged the body ripping part with a neck twisting move 3-blade whacking-this one is definatly done by repeatdly pressing O! u'd find Kratos slashing his opponent horizantly like we would punch them by tapping circle in the first GOW 4-juggling. probably by the X button, and that's stabing the opponent in the stomache with one arm, then jugling him up with the other 5-arm rip-u guys know this one the most: ripping an arm out then brutally sticking the blade on it in the opponent's head obviously, u guys know most of the above, but the neck braking and the tossing were a little new to me so i thought i'd post it u'd such moves in the interview with cory barlock as he plays the demo on gametrailers.comevanescfan

I already coverd that Evan (see my post or culfro's..either would do)

~The slap happy attack shouldn't be considered a grapple anymore than the punches before the O grapple on low level Undead (thanks for bringing the slaps up though)

slap? you mean slash... Kratos is slashing the Undead. Soulxxx

The slash is obvious since he carries a bladed weapon..the simple answer to your question is "slap happy"..a joke phrase w/ many meanings.

~I had thought that those that would read the comment would understand the phrase a little better..Did you think I literally meant that Kratos was slapping his foes around?..No need to answer because you both apparently did think that..

Well, yet again you forget we (Evan and I) don't always get your american jokes/phrases. slapping just didn't seem right... -what about that grapple to uppercut move?? in that GT video, it shows a small fire burst when Kratos does it. what do you suppose that fire burst is?Soulxxx

Just in case you are referring to another situation..I'll cover both:

1. The impale to uppercut on the Undead Satyr makes a SMALL explosion "pop" no different than some of his other physical attacks *even Ascension has it upon collision*.  Think of this as a way to show a move that WILL move an enemy..If I had to guess..I would say that Might of Hercules (assuming it returns in its true form and not just as the controllable swipe we've seen) would have a small explosion upon collision as well.

2. If you are referring to the "ground explosion" seen in the 1UP Fat Minotaur video *I'm only bringing this up because this kind of error is common for some reason*..it was the beast attack..not ours

~You have to admit...thinking of that attack as a "slap" makes it much funnier

it is answer no. 1! ~I admit. Kratos: *in his angriest voice* I am angry at you! *SLAP* *SLAP* *SLAP* Soulxxx

*Kratos to Undead Satyr using his best Arnold Schwarzenegger impersonation*

"You lack discipline"

~So the following are confirmed "grunts" *meaning they offer 4 grapples w/ the initial hold*

-Undead Soldiers (from the first *one new grapple*)

-Undead Satyrs (we've discussed them)

-Undead Fate Servants (I've seen them held by the neck like the other types but the only grapple I recall seeing used on them was where Kratos put his foot to its spine and ripped the body in half with one arm..I don't remember seeing combat w/ these guys either)

SPECULATION AHEAD:

It isn't uncommon the our enemies get "base levels" (Ex: Undead Legion to Armored Legion Ex2: Axe Minotaur to Spike Minotaur)..so I think it seems rather likely that the skeletons will get this treatment (remember the "Character Graveyard"..think bone armor skeleton *like Army of Darkenss in a way* )

How about another "Character Graveyard" friend..the Undead Cyclops (could be called that if modifications were made here and there).  If Dark Messiah can have one..we deserve it too.

Then there are human soldiers..they could be treated like the Undead from the first game (except they couldn't possibly become Wraiths). 

If we end up in Hades again I want, at the very least, to see each enemy (Cyclops, Centaurs, Cerberus *especially..I mean WTF..why didn't we fight at least one in Hades?* etc.) while raeping (raep=rape+lulz+pwnage)..AND a boss! *just not "Kratos' brother" who is emo*

---Lastly...WHY are Griffens fused w/ Manticores? *referring to the tails...* Or perhaps that is just the GoW teams way of stylizing the Griffens since their feather tails would be non-threatening..this seems more likely now that I consider it..Why would they knowingly cross out the Manticore as a creature just to make Griffens more "threatening"?..

SORRY THIS TOOK SO LONG...A scrip error on the window wouldn't let me post..I used a different window and now it works..how cute

-One new Grapple?? which one? elaborate please... show examples too, if you wish. -The Undead Fates servants? you mean those weird looking guys with the white hair?? -Grifficores! what's wrong with that?Soulxxx

-In the GV/1UP video (24 seconds into it) we grapple an Undead Legion and toss him (by the throat..over our head into the ground..he bounces afteward)..likely it is X since the others already have a designation from the first game (X in the first, during grapple set-ups, would cancel the grapple with a jump...it was quite dumb).  I watch every sites playthrough because they are bound to show something the others didn't...some skipped fights while others didn't.. they just sucked at fighting.  One guy who played in IGN's "Fran's Closet" played like one of us (he whored the new "PWNAGE" attack in the air against the Rock Lave Beast FTW).

-Those are the ones..they have their own grapples..isn't that just dandy?

-I prefer the name "Manti-Griffen" personally..but the point stands.  We would be stupidly eliminating a creature (that is wildly popular with lvlUNE3B for some reason) type just to make the Griffens look better...like I said last time though..I think it is just the GoW teams "style" being imposed on the Griffens...Manticore won't be fused with them..it just isn't smart

Though this depiction of Manticore is completely unfaithful to the Classic depiction from Greek Mythology...I think it just plain looks/works better...I could see this creature being a more nimble version of a typical Cerburus...it would be like comparing a Minotaur to a Satyr (Cerberus to a Manticore)...if that doesn't compute for some reason I'll explain more thoroughly later

~Lets not forget our new friend..the Undead Grenader (female btw)..she doesn't have 4 grapples but presents her own challenges:

-she has an iron pack containing fire..this is used in the form of explosive fireballs

-uses a sword

-Has a suicide effect (ground explosion) *kill her in the air and it doesn't happen*

-basic grapple stabs her in the back and tosses her for a bounce effect

-finisher takes her to the ground, confiscates her sword, beats her face in with it and finishes with the sword being jammed through her face

-Air grapple is unknown

You gotta share the source of that Grenader Info!Soulxxx

That is such old news that I lol'd.  For this if nothing else..I'll answer your question.  The E3 demo..Every major site has their own playthrough vid of the whole thing (or most of it).  GameTrailers version shows the most interaction with them...the 1UP/GV player just PWNS them too hard..we don't get to see much of them..I take pictures from these videos and host them on my photobucket (because these game sites are /b/ tards about getting good pictures for us to look at/examine *this logic is undeniable* ).

~Should you rather just see pictures..I suppose I could upload a few more..but seriously.. just watch the GT vids *all of them* (they are in number 3 about 20 seconds into it)

--Just examining them should be enough to deduct everything I've said (the female thing I missed at first..just before noticing the golden breast plates...a dead give away).  I wound't be surprised if they had a grapple similiar to the Undead Legions (from behind) that if you fail to escape they will detonate on you..which would suck for you..Let me just say again..that I think the Fat Minotaur is f*cking awesome..

---We don't know the official names for most of the new creatures (then again..most variety of upgraded base monsters didn't have a specific name either)..Grenader is a name I gave them since no one else talks about them *reasons for this are purely up for speculation*

QUESTION: What do you think of my comparison concerning the Manticore being a more agile/nimble/fast Cerberus? (like comparing Satyrs to Minotaurs..very different outcomes).  Wouldn't you like to see another new creature with unique complay possibilities?

I forgot about GT until recently. I'm an idiot. ANSWER: I think it's very cool. and YES I would like to see a new creature with unique gameplay possibilites. I'm immediately thinking of the pic you just shown, and I see it running around Kratos, dodging his blades. Magic would be the 1st way of killing it, but ofcourse combat masters won't have any problem with it as well. I imagine tail whip as a primary "Hit and Run" attack, and a tail Impale as a grapple (Like when the cerebrus jumps on ya trying to bite off your head) - when he charges with the grapple Kratos grabs the tail with both hands, and then you enter the Press-O-repeatedly minigame. (we should call it POR for short) Fail - The manticore impales you in the chest, throws you up high and follows skyward, where it tail-whips you back down to earth. Win - Kratos throws tail sideways and rolls away. -Minigame finisher - RPB combined with POR: 1st button press, it launches towards you. W - you dodge beneath it. F - you're hit with minimal damage dealt. 2nd button press, it tries to tail whip you (you sit behind it, waiting for it's next move). W - you grab the tail. F - you get ***** slapped and impaled and thrown upwards. you end up in front of the manticore. 3rd would be a POR: W - you get to the Fourth button press. F - the maticore breaks free and does the same F manuever from the 2nd button press. 4th button press, you slash the tail off, then you roll beneath it again, to the point where you're face to face with it. W - slap it twice with it's tail, until it's ultimately dead, then you impale it once and for good. F - the manticore bite-stops you and throws you away, giving it the time to grow it's tail back. pretty good, eh? I gave it the ability of growing it's tail back, and the ability to jump pretty high. (but it will only use it in the middle of the grapple I mentioned)Soulxxx

Though I find it odd that the grapple for a creature that small takes so much effort I still like everything you mentioned.  Of course it will have claw swipes and other attacks of obvious nature..I do want it to be like a Satyr as much as possible..perhaps aerial recovery should you attempt to combo it but unlike the Satyr I want it to be aware of ledges/cliffs..maybe even have the ability to attack off of them..or climb vertically...IMAGINE encountering one of these ******** while climbing! *definately more interesting than Undead Legions*  It would have great difficulty being nimble while climbing upside down on all fours (I am refering to combat where Kratos has his blades impaled into the ceiling and not just climbing).  It should have an ability similiar to the Satyr's "taunt/pose to counter"..that may be too much though.. I think I'll just leave that to our 1/2 goat friends..

~I must say I'm impressed you had so much to say about the Manticore...and much of it was exactly what I was thinking (especially your meniton of "hit and run" tactics..that was almost eerie) 

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I'd make it big enough for kratos to slide under... about the cerebrus' size. GameTrailers actually let you see how it moves. DAMN! it moves so gracefully. it's agile, it's quick. it has more brains than the cerebrus in the first game. (lulz) ~it's that astrology sh*t! (we're both Gemini, you know) now, on to reading your post in the Bosses thread!Soulxxx

No arguements here..the Manticore would have to be about the same size as a Cerberus but slightly smaller (much less bulky).  As for the comment after your initial sentence..Are you referring to our new Cerberus? *with its improved moves and the charge attack..I can only imagine how it would behave with a rider controlling its actions...Your thoughts?*

~Astrology..right..Explaining Ladon isn't the easiest of things to do...At least that design is more flushed out than most (the exception being the Phoenix which is done where I am concerned) of my bosses

The new cerebrus seems to dislike physical combat, and tends to try and grab Kratos all the time. If a rider controlled it... hmmm... hard to say. maybe a Cerberus-Rider cooperation? when he does that hand pin, the rider would come off and slap you a few times as well... *the ball is in your hands now*Soulxxx

I'm not free to speculate at the moment (I'm moving some cap stones for my father..shoulnd't take very long). 
~Though I would expect the imp to have an affinity for the Cerberus fireball attack (making it MUCH more deadly)..I hope it doesn't do the stupid tackle move all that often...I'm sure they'll tone that down in the finished game *it did that WAY too often*..I want to see it use the charge/ram/tackle attack *the one that missed Kratos but looked cool* to deadly effect...

---It would be cool if it could interact with walls

Ex: Our backs to the wall and it charges us into the wall causing a new effect similiar to the Pounce effect except it presses us against the wall (it is more damaging and harder to escape)

-Just seems interesting to me..I wound't go so far as to speak of wall-crawling enemies but this does hold potential

Pounce effect? you mean like when you bounce a few times after you land? like when you drop a rubber ball from pretty high and it bounces up a few more times? is this what you mean? hmm, is it? IS IT?! (Adrenalline rush - can't wait to play the DEMO!!!) ---If Kratos could do it as well... that would be ultra-cool!Soulxxx

No..I mean "pounce"..like a cat onto a mouse..crushing the spine with weight. 

when i first read spanking i thought it was speaking but i think speaking would be cool in GOW II like die u imbicel! or for war!!!! or things like that. it would give the game a new feel to it i guess.