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#1 iloveflash
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I was wondering whether we could have a hall of fame thread.

It would be updated with the best works of each month. In order to determine these, we need a system where other members place a comment on the work saying that they nominate it for the hall of fame. Then we can have a good ol' fashion vote-down and the choices with a high percentage of votes (33%+ or something) would be placed in the hall of fame. What do you guys think?

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#2 freek666
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Intruiging idea. It would be good for showing new people all the great works of the past. I'm all for it.
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#3 helios_rietberg
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Good idea, I think it's worth a shot. Maybe, then, each piece can have a poll of its own, so that makes it easier to see which piece should be submitted each month.
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#4 Foolz3h
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I've actually been thinking about thsi for awhile.

But as you mentioned it first you can do it, thus saving me any work! :D

However I don't really agree with rating artitistic expression. But meh, who cares.

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#5 iloveflash
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I've actually been thinking about thsi for awhile.

But as you mentioned it first you can do it, thus saving me any work! :D

However I don't really agree with rating artitistic expression. But meh, who cares.

Foolz3h

Lol, ya bum. :P

I'll wait a few days just to see if anyone has any objections.

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#6 iloveflash
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Meanwhile, I'll be browsing through the forum to find pieces to enter in the thread (should it be initialized).

As of today, the 11th:

- A girl from Hong Kong- The_Touchable

-A Dark Picture in a Bright Room- Foolz3h

have been nominated. Pick your choices all! I also encourage everyone to organize their works in the porfolio thread so that they're easy to find.

Oh and here is system I've been working on:

For the initial entries to the Hall of Fame, find the story you liked and put a comment saying "nominated for the Hall of Fame." For the monthly entries thereafter, if you want your storie(s) to be nominated, you may put a poll that allows readers to vote between 1 and 5 stars. The ones averaged out to 4+ will be added to the Hall of Fame for that month. Be careful with these polls, as it is easy to make mistakes on them, amongst other things. If you don't like the poll system, be creative and invent your own way for others to vote on your work for the Hall of Fame.

I'm sure some of you may disagree with this system. I myself think that there are many flaws with it. If that is the case then don't hesitate to make suggestions. In fact I'd prefer to hear everyone's thoughts, since this thread will be for YOU!

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#7 stevenscott14
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I may be new to this union, but I think it's a really great idea. It would be a good place to showcase the best pieces that the members of this union have to offer, y'know? It would be awesome reading during my morning bowl of cereal, too. ;)
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#8 iloveflash
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Lol, what a splendid idea (the cereal thing). I might try that sometime!

Clicky teh "yes". :D

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#9 stevenscott14
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Clicky teh "yes". :D

iloveflash

Ah, that eluded me. Forgot to click it. ;)

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#10 jjr10
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Good idea. But i'll suffer crippling self esteem issues if someone rates my stories a 1!
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#11 iloveflash
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Good idea. But i'll suffer crippling self esteem issues if someone rates my stories a 1!jjr10

Lol, well like I said, you don't have to use the poll system if you don't want to. You can come up with your own unique way to get users to nominate you.

It looks like there are no objections so far, so I'll go ahead and continue with the nominations. If you guys want to nominate a work, please post it here. When all is said and done, we'll have a vote to determine which of the nominations will get to kick-off the hall of fame!

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#12 jjr10
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I'll nominate my Little boy who lived alone chapters 1 and 2... or just make them 1 bigger chapter.
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#13 iloveflash
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I'll nominate my Little boy who lived alone chapters 1 and 2... or just make them 1 bigger chapter.jjr10

Oh yea, almost forgot, you can't nominate your own works. :P Acceptance into the hall of fame depends on whether OTHER people enjoyed your work, so it's up to someone else to make the nomination. That being said, I'll check out your story very soon!

Nominations so far:

A girl from Hong Kong

A Dark Picture in a Bright Room

Fistycuffs - Foolz3h

Vehicle Battle - irmeleeman5995

Rehabilitation - Foolz3h

Chronicles of Syn(Series)- millwrought

kingkilla3's poetry

Skelebull300's poetry

The Uprising of the Red Fuhrer- nuclear_cookou

High Places. - freek66

We Are Violent - LotsOfGrenades

My mysterious new piece/ Africa Tale excerpt- irmeleeman5995

Dot Dot Dot Exclamation Mark - Foolz3h

Now a few more rules and regulations:

- To save yourself some effort, don't nominate a work that's already been nominated. That's called "voting". :P

- I've decided that the voting for entries of each month should be held on the last Monday of every month, and votes tallied and entrants declared the next Monday. Why? Because Tuesday and Friday are already booked!

- As I already mentioned, you cannot nominate your own work. This is something where the union as a whole decides whether your story is a step above the rest and should be remembered 4eva. Not to say that everyone's writing isn't special, but I'm sure we all have favorites. That's why you should alway write for our totalitarian reading pleasure. O_O

- If your work does get added to the hall of fame, please add it to your members portfolio. It makes things a lot less tedious for everyone. There will still be a link to it in the actual Hall of Fame.

There are a lot of works to browse through, so this'll need cooperation from as many of us as possible. Even after the initial entries are...entered :P, if anyone manages to find a really old work then they can nominate it along with the monthly entries that will follow. Speaking of which, I still can't come up with any ideas for that how we should go about inducting multiple entries into the HoF at once...

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#14 jjr10
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Okay then. haha, i thought you meant we nominate our own work. Well, there's been a fair bit of Freeks work i liked, i'll have a look to nominate his.
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#15 Foolz3h
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So we've got to put the poll in the thread if we get nominated?

And can you vote for yourself? :P
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#16 iloveflash
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So we've got to put the poll in the thread if we get nominated?

And can you vote for yourself? :P
Foolz3h

It's actually the other way around; you put the poll to get nominated. If it averages out to a 4 or higher, you're in!

I already mentioned that you cannot vote for your own stuff, only other people's. I've already nominated some of your work. ;)

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#17 irmeleeman5995
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Wait is my whole Africa Tale getting nominated or what? You just said excerpt so I was kinda confused.
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#18 iloveflash
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Wait is my whole Africa Tale getting nominated or what? You just said excerpt so I was kinda confused.irmeleeman5995

Of course the whole thing. You're the one who called it an "excerpt" not me. :P

And why am I still the only one with nominations! :x

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#19 irmeleeman5995
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Becuz I've been inactive for so long that I've read almost none of them and remember even less.
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#20 Foolz3h
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[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]So we've got to put the poll in the thread if we get nominated?

And can you vote for yourself? :P
iloveflash

It's actually the other way around; you put the poll to get nominated. If it averages out to a 4 or higher, you're in!

I already mentioned that you cannot vote for your own stuff, only other people's. I've already nominated some of your work. ;)

So if you've nominated my stuff... then shouldn't you put a poll on? XD

If you nominate people by putting a poll in the thread, then it'll only be officers or the poster of the story themself who can nominate works. :S

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#21 irmeleeman5995
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I went back and proofread the Africa Tale. Boy did that second part have typos. Anyways, I also took out Mr. Patriotic's speech to *ahem* in the very end. Made it like six words, and it's less dumb/patriotic and more what he would say anyways. Just throwing it out there, seeing as my work needs to not be rife with dumb errors if it's in the hall of fame, right?

BY THE WAY FLASH, why isn't Metroid Chronicles up here nominated? Did you ever read those?

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#22 iloveflash
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Hey folks, just a friendly reminder that the deadline for the initial entries are coming up on the 26th. Get your nominations in, or else all of the initial entries will be my own choices! There are some stories that I've never read after all, like meleeman's Metroid Chronicles and Pellet. So if you like those, nominate 'em! There will be no voting this month, all nominations will immediately be added to the list, just to make things simpler for everyone.

And for the record, here's how the future nominations will be held:

1) The story goes up, including a way for it to be nominated (such as the poll system)

2) The last Monday of the month, BOOM, nominations go in for consideration.

3) The union puts in their votes in a monthly HoF Vote! thread; nominations with 33% votes or higher are added to the hall of fame, this means ONE VOTE PER PERSON so choose your fave; if a nomination doesn't make it past the 33% mark, voters are allowed to cast their two cents for why they think the literature should be added, if it's a good reason, we'll have no problems adding it to the list

4) The next Monday arrives, BOOM, links to the works go up in the Hall of Fame

NOTE: You don't get prestige points for having your piece added to the Hall of Fame...

...but you do get benefits for getting nominated! Everybody wins in the end!!!

Got it? Good. Now go pick your faves!

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#23 Foolz3h
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Is just one entry per month entering the hall of fame?

And damn I should really get to nominating some stuff. D:
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#24 freek666
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Whoa I was nominated. Awesome.
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#25 iloveflash
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Is just one entry per month entering the hall of fame?

And damn I should really get to nominating some stuff. D:
Foolz3h

I predict most likely. If everyone's on the same page, they will most likely vote for the same piece. But it is possible for more than one nomination to enter.

And damn, you should, the deadline's tomorrow! :|

And here is my final list of all-time faves:

A girl from Hong Kong

A Dark Picture in a Bright Room

Fistycuffs

Vehicle Battle

Rehabilitation

Chronicles of Syn (Series)

kingkilla3's poetry

Skelebull300's poetry

The Uprising of the Red Fuhrer

High Places

We are Violent

Africa Tale excerpt

Dot Dot Dot Exclamation Mark

An Inharmonious Morning - Nuclear_Cookout

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#26 iloveflash
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Alrighty folks, the deadline has passed. You're allowed to enter any later submissions later on down the road. Just leave a comment on the work saying that you nominate it for the monthly vote, and we'll tack it on the list. Thanks for all your support. I will now create TWL's Hall of Fame thread!

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Actually, I'll keep this thread open for discussion about the hall of fame.

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#27 iloveflash
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SO! It's been done. :)

Check out the thread and send some feedback. There'll definitely be some updates, like a classification system and summaries. But I'm just one guy. :P

If you want to add something to the list that I forgot, TOO BAD. The deadline has passed, so you'll have to wait until the last Monday of June to nominate it again. I told ya'. I told ya'! :|

Ah, I'm just sad because nobody nominated my stuff. T_T Boo-hoo...

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#28 millwrought
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lol, IDK why my thing is up there lol. Haven't been on here in a while :P
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#29 Foolz3h
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Let's all point and laugh at iloveflash who didn't get in!

*:arrow:* *:lol:*

Now that we've got that out of the way may I make a suggestion? Perhaps we should limit the number of people getting into the hall of fame per month to 3, so that we get a nice range?

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#30 iloveflash
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I'm not too sure about that. There just might come a time where all of the nominations are extremely awesome, and we'll have to fight and bicker about letting the fourth one in. :P
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#31 jjr10
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Woah, who nominated me? Well besides myself :D
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#32 helios_rietberg
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I actually agree with Foolz3h, but I think the limit should be on the works, not the people. It doesn't matter if one person gets nomminated over and over again (they must be good) but if half of the union's works are up there, it isn't much of a hall of fame then, is it? I think there should be a tiebreaker at the end of each month to see, for example, which work goes into which genre in the hall of fame, and so forth.
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#33 iloveflash
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Oh~, I see. So when you say genres, do you mean genres like Stories, Poetry, and Series? Just checking.

Alright, I'll revise the system. Don't be afraid to throw in some advice. For now, I think I might make it single-entry per month, because we don't have that many monthly works to begin with. When we have more members we'll up the scale, but right now 3 works is already about half the submissions each month.

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#34 helios_rietberg
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Yeah, genres like Stories, Poetry and Series. That would make the Hall of Fame a little easier to navigate. You could put the link for the work and then the author's name beside it, with the genre at the top. Example:

Stories

Spam Hunter - irmeleeman5995

Poetry

Artificial Power - freek666

...or something like that!

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#35 freek666
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Thats what I was thinking Helios. If it was segregated into different styles it would be much easier to navigate around. And including the name of the author, it should also be mentioned what genre it would fit in. So like my story Tick. Tock. Would be under strories, then it would have genre, psychological, and my name. It would be good for people who are looking for a specific thing and dont go into a story or poem because they misjudge it by the name, and then discover its not what they were looking for.
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#36 Rookie395
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I was browsing through the past posts (only have one working arm right now, and am bored + stuck at home) and noticed this discussion. So my apologies for 'ressurecting' a somewhat old topic, but after looking at the Hall of Fame and all its works, I was stuck by an idea. Why just put up selected works, why not have people inducted into the Hall of Fame or at the very least highlight a writer (doesn't have to be the best, just anyone who is active) for the past month.

I have no idea if any discussion of this has occured, but in my mind, it would definitely make the Hall of Fame that much deeper and enhance the experience of all members.

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#37 sandyqbg
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I like the concept too. But I think putting up works would work out better than selecting a person
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#38 iloveflash
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I was browsing through the past posts (only have one working arm right now, and am bored + stuck at home) and noticed this discussion. So my apologies for 'ressurecting' a somewhat old topic, but after looking at the Hall of Fame and all its works, I was stuck by an idea. Why just put up selected works, why not have people inducted into the Hall of Fame or at the very least highlight a writer (doesn't have to be the best, just anyone who is active) for the past month.

I have no idea if any discussion of this has occured, but in my mind, it would definitely make the Hall of Fame that much deeper and enhance the experience of all members.

Rookie395

Agg, I too sleepy to think. (~_~) Sounds like a good idea, but I can't imagine why or how we should go about doing that.

Or maybe what you're talking about has already been implemented in the MotM poll..?

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#39 Rookie395
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I like the concept too. But I think putting up works would work out better than selecting a personsandyqbg


What I'm saying, is why not do both.Highlight a person and various works. It doesn't require too much effort and will allow members who may not be the best writers to get some attention.

Agg, I too sleepy to think. (~_~) Sounds like a good idea, but I can't imagine why or how we should go about doing that.

Or maybe what you're talking about has already been implemented in the MotM poll..?

iloveflash

I wouldn't know.

For the member spotlight just choose a random member (someone who isn't an officer) do a little interview and maybe write a paragraph about what he/she has added to the union. Post it up and boom.

For inducting people into the hall of fame, have somewhere to have nominations and once someone is nominated (with a good reason), for example, if I were to nominate Foolz:

Foolz:

He has led the union for _____ and brought it up to 200 members. Over his time here, he has ____ and ___. Beyond that he _____. He continues as the leader today implementing ____ wherever he can.

Obviously thats incomplete, but I really don't know too much about who does what :P.

From there on, I'd say make it so people vote in a poll and if the person get's 75% yes votes from the members, induct him/her into the Hall of Fame. There you include a short bio about the person and list his/her achievements within the union.

Niether of them require too much work nor are they really that complex, at least not in my mind. My apologies if the preceding explanation was as clear as mud.

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#40 iloveflash
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Foolz:

He has led the union for centuries and brought it up to 200 members. Over his time here, he has lied and sh!t. Beyond that he breathes. He continues as the leader today implementing sh!t wherever he can.

Rookie395

(XD I'm kidding I'm kidding!)

[QUOTE="sandyqbg"]I like the concept too. But I think putting up works would work out better than selecting a personRookie395



What I'm saying, is why not do both.Highlight a person and various works. It doesn't require too much effort and will allow members who may not be the best writers to get some attention.

Agg, I too sleepy to think. (~_~) Sounds like a good idea, but I can't imagine why or how we should go about doing that.

Or maybe what you're talking about has already been implemented in the MotM poll..?

iloveflash

I wouldn't know.

For the member spotlight just choose a random member (someone who isn't an officer) do a little interview and maybe write a paragraph about what he/she has added to the union. Post it up and boom.

For inducting people into the hall of fame, have somewhere to have nominations and once someone is nominated (with a good reason), for example, if I were to nominate Foolz:

Foolz:

He has led the union for _____ and brought it up to 200 members. Over his time here, he has ____ and ___. Beyond that he _____. He continues as the leader today implementing ____ wherever he can.

Obviously thats incomplete, but I really don't know too much about who does what :P.

From there on, I'd say make it so people vote in a poll and if the person get's 75% yes votes from the members, induct him/her into the Hall of Fame. There you include a short bio about the person and list his/her achievements within the union.

Niether of them require too much work nor are they really that complex, at least not in my mind. My apologies if the preceding explanation was as clear as mud.

The main thing I'm wondering is whether this is strictly Hall of Fame business or does this tie in with the MotM and the interviews? Because your method pretty much does that. :P

Currently, the focus of the Hall of Fame is on peoples' works. The biography sounds nice, as does the interview, but listing their achievements along with all that would make the thread more of a catalog for their success than what it was intended to be--a single thread for listing the union's most highly acclaimed literature.

But your idea is great (I particularly like the idea to interview the MotM). If the other officers like it then I guess we'll work something out, but I say we keep the HoF's focus on writing and highlight the authors only where needed. The interviews and MotM threads will take care of the rest.

Oh, and we are currently working on a better way of nominating works. So far it's been decided that there will be a nomination thread at the end of the month for people to nominate their favorite works (as opposed to having you think up your own way to get yourself nominated), and then a voting thread to induct the best nominee (or nominees if we do it by category).

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#41 Rookie395
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The main thing I'm wondering is whether this is strictly Hall of Fame business or does this tie in with the MotM and the interviews? Because your method pretty much does that. :P

Currently, the focus of the Hall of Fame is on peoples' works. The biography sounds nice, as does the interview, but listing their achievements along with all that would make the thread more of a catalog for their success than what it was intended to be--a single thread for listing the union's most highly acclaimed literature.

But your idea is great (I particularly like the idea to interview the MotM). If the other officers like it then I guess we'll work something out, but I say we keep the HoF's focus on writing and highlight the authors only where needed. The interviews and MotM threads will take care of the rest.

Oh, and we are currently working on a better way of nominating works. So far it's been decided that there will be a nomination thread at the end of the month for people to nominate their favorite works (as opposed to having you think up your own way to get yourself nominated), and then a voting thread to induct the best nominee (or nominees if we do it by category).

iloveflash

Thats my fault on the clarity issue. I recommend having a Hall of Fame, as it actually is (A Hall of Fame such as in Baseball, Hockey, Rock n' Roll, etc.) and continuing with the already setup program that convienently has the same name.

The biography about the person who has done on this has to do with the REAL hall of fame. Like in the outside world, I suggested a nomination process where the members and leaders can work together to choose those who belong on in it.

The interview + short bio goes with the highlight which acompanies the highlighting of other's writing.

I hope that is a bit clearer. If something isn't completely clear, please let me know and I'll try and wake myself up then I'll try to explain one more time :).

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#42 Foolz3h
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Very interesting idea.

Oh, and welcome to the union! :D

I love the idea of a user spotlight but I don't think it should be run in conjuction with the hall of fame. I personally like that the hall of fame is entirely about the work, not the writer, and I feel including that would diminish it and take the spotlight away from the work somewhat.

I think a long with MotM a monthly user spotlight with the use chosen at random would be awesome. :D

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#43 Rookie395
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I was just thinking along those lines for the sake of space. So as long as writers themselves have some sort of acknowledgement, except poets (There is an addage "Pity the fool who reads his own verse in a the town square"), well fine celebrate poets, just don't make them read.

Edit: ^ That is an attempted joke that failed horribly. Celebrate all writers - espessially poets.
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#44 sandyqbg
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Well we have to include the poets too or it would be unfair and even discouraging too
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#45 Rookie395
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Well we have to include the poets too or it would be unfair and even discouraging toosandyqbg


That was just an attempted joke - of course you would include all writers.
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#46 sandyqbg
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I didn't see thru that. Oh well, so what's the board's decision
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#47 iloveflash
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I didn't see thru that. Oh well, so what's the board's decisionsandyqbg

Well the HoF is still the same. The whole union decided on it from the beginning that it should focus on their works, and so it will stay until they say differently. But Rookie's idea for a user spotlight (both monthly and random) is great and I think Foolz3h should incorporate it with the MotM "ceremony". I've already done an interview with one of the members and people have expressed an interest in more interviews, so it seems like a good reward for the MotM along with the tag.

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#48 Rookie395
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[QUOTE="sandyqbg"]I didn't see thru that. Oh well, so what's the board's decisioniloveflash

Well the HoF is still the same. The whole union decided on it from the beginning that it should focus on their works, and so it will stay until they say differently. But Rookie's idea for a user spotlight (both monthly and random) is great and I think Foolz3h should incorporate it with the MotM "ceremony". I've already done an interview with one of the members and people have expressed an interest in more interviews, so it seems like a good reward for the MotM along with the tag.



And what has come of the idea on inducting influential people in the union's history to a separate hall of fame?
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[QUOTE="iloveflash"]

[QUOTE="sandyqbg"]I didn't see thru that. Oh well, so what's the board's decisionRookie395

Well the HoF is still the same. The whole union decided on it from the beginning that it should focus on their works, and so it will stay until they say differently. But Rookie's idea for a user spotlight (both monthly and random) is great and I think Foolz3h should incorporate it with the MotM "ceremony". I've already done an interview with one of the members and people have expressed an interest in more interviews, so it seems like a good reward for the MotM along with the tag.



And what has come of the idea on inducting influential people in the union's history to a separate hall of fame?

It sort of removes some of the lore of the union's history. People know who they are and what they did, and other people don't. :P

The officer list is a decent guide though, as note how few officers are active. ;) :D

It's an interesting idea though, and deserves a little more thought than that.