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#1 windnocturne
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Just some questions.
I know that Vince screw him by ringing the bell making Hart to lose the title against HBK, even when Hart didn't tap out. All of this because Hart signed a contract with another federation while he was a champion in the WWF, and Vince didn't want him to be a champion because of that.
So, Hart wants an appologize and stuff, and the WWE won't give him that. Or I don't know.
Who has the fault here? Is the WWE total asses, Hart is a crybaby or both are guilty?
Cuz' this soap opera is kinda getting irritating...
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#2 oneofakind_07
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Just some questions.
I know that Vince screw him by ringing the bell making Hart to lose the title against HBK, even when Hart didn't tap out. All of this because Hart signed a contract with another federation while he was a champion in the WWF, and Vince didn't want him to be a champion because of that.
So, Hart wants an appologize and stuff, and the WWE won't give him that. Or I don't know.
Who has the fault here? Is the WWE total asses, Hart is a crybaby or both are guilty?
Cuz' this soap opera is kinda getting irritating...windnocturne

Both, Bret Hart is a cry baby, but WWE are indeed total asses, i think that bret hart should just let it go and not talk to them anymore

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#3 windnocturne
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But knowing Vinc, I don't know how Bret signed a contract with other federation AND while he was a Champion.
He should have known that it would piss Vince off.
But yeah, I guess both are morons. To bad to have a great wrestler to miss so many opportunities and care more about himself than the people that made him who he is: the fans.
But well, he isn't the best wrestler ever, there are so many amazing new guys and girls that are beating their asses off to be recognized, and still the fans want the people that don't appreciate them.
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#4 The_Last_Ride
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They both screwed another. But in my oppinion as the information goes, bret started it...
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Ok here's the whole story on The Montreal Screwjob.

Credit: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Screwjob

In October 1996, Bret Hart signed an unprecedented 20-year contract with the WWF after considering, then rejecting, a very lucrative offer from the WWF's main rival, World Championship Wrestling. Hart had been with and had remained loyal to the WWF since 1984, and had emerged from wrestling mainly in tag teams to become a popular and respected singles star. Between 1991 and 1996, Hart won the WWF Championship three times and the Intercontinental Title twice. He also won the 1993King of the Ring tournament, was named WWF Superstar of the Year in 1993 and was joint winner of the 1994Royal Rumble alongside Lex Luger. The contract he signed in 1996 called for him to wrestle three more years with the WWF and then complete his career in a behind-the-scenes writing and booking position. Both sides felt that it was a suitable and appropriate expression of Hart's loyalty to the WWF and its loyalty to him.

However, by the middle of 1997, the WWF was in serious financial straits, due mainly to WCW taking over as North America's #1 pro wrestling promotion. WWF owner and chairman Vince McMahon informed Hart that he wished to withdraw from the contract and he encouraged him to again seek employment with WCW. However, as soon as the deal was in place, and at the last minute, suddenly McMahon claimed that he could pay out the whole contract as signed, and wanted Hart to stay. However, when asked about his plans for Hart's "Hitman" character, giving McMahon an option to entice Hart with interesting story ideas, the ideas put out by Vince made it clear to Hart that he was not part of McMahon's longterm plans, and he elected to sign with WCW. At this time, Bret was still the WWF Champion, having won the belt for a fifth time that August from The Undertaker.

On November 1, 1997, Hart verbally agreed to a $3m a year contract with WCW. As part of his WWF contract, Hart had "reasonable creative control" over his character in the last days of his WWF tenure. Therefore, he had some input into what he would and would not do and say.

He also had two major caveats: He would not lose his WWF Title to Shawn Michaels, and he certainly would not lose it in his home country of Canada. The legitimate backstage ill-feeling between Hart and Michaels, which had been bubbling for years, meant that neither man was willing to lose face in or out of the ring to the other, but they agreed to work together for the sake of the business. Hart and Michaels, back then, had radically different lifestyles and attitudes out of the ring and had clashed previously. One such incident was provoked when Michaels claimed that Hart was sleeping with WWF valetSunny, which led to a physical confrontation between the two. The relationship between both men was very rocky at best. Hart was angered about how much booking power The Clique had gained during the mid 1990s. At WrestleMania XII, Michaels beat Hart for the WWF Championship. Michaels was supposed to return the favor in WrestleMania 13, he however refused to lose to Hart which saw Michaels get written out of the storylines although he did appear at WrestleMania 13. Michaels simply wouldn't lose to Hart and as a result; Hart wouldn't lose to Michaels.

McMahon began seeking a way to transition the title off of Hart. Michaels was booked as the #1 contender to Hart's title in the fall of 1997 however. Of course, Hart took immediate issue with the idea that he would lose the title to Michaels, in Montreal, at the Survivor SeriesPPV event on November 9, 1997. He did not believe that Michaels would have offered a loss in return had he stayed in the WWF, and moreover he did not want to lose to Michaels in Canada. Hart had offered to forfiet the belt, but McMahon was insistent that the belt would go to Michaels at the PPV in Montreal.

McMahon tentatively agreed to end the match in Montreal with a planned disqualification finish, which would involve various cohorts of both Hart and Michaels running in and disrupting the match. McMahon then told Hart he could either make a live speech on the November 10, 1997 edition of RAW and then hand the belt back, or he could lose the title in a match on December 7, 1997 at the PPV scheduled for Springfield, Massachusetts. After much negotiation, Hart agreed to hand the belt back on RAW.

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The setup

The Wednesday before Survivor Series, Vince McMahon devised what would become the Montreal Screwjob. As Gerald Brisco sat in a hotel room showing Michaels how to defend himself against Bret attempting to shoot on him (hit him for real), McMahon decided that he had no alternative other than to make sure that he left the Survivor Series with Michaels as champion.

On the day of Survivor Series, Hart and McMahon sat in a room and discussed the different possibilities. Vince seemed to agree to everything that Hart wanted to do, knowing full well that he was never going to fulfill it anyway. Hart left feeling a little more relaxed, despite being warned by several wrestlers (including Vader, who was a veteran of the Japanese scene and knew the prospect of a screwjob could be looming) never to let himself be pinned for more than a count of one or be on his back for too long.

However, Hart was deeply aware of the possibility of a last minute change of plan behind his back, and fearing a double cross, went as far as asking the match's referee Earl Hebner to swear an oath on his children's lives that he would not participate in such an incident. Hebner shook on this. The match script given to Hart on the day detailed the planned disqualification finish. Michaels would put Hart in the Sharpshooter, and Hart would reverse, only for D-Generation X and The Hart Foundation to run down for a big brawl to end the match. This would then lead into the title being dropped and Hart being free to leave for WCW.

During the match, after an arena-wide brawl before the match had even officially started, Hart allowed Michaels to place him in the Sharpshooter, his famous finishing leglock hold. Michaels then gave Hart his foot to reverse the hold, but clamped down the pressure at the same time. McMahon, positioned at ringside, elbowed the timekeeper and screamed at him to "Ring the damn bell!" Hebner then signalled to the timekeeper as if Hart had submitted to the hold and Michaels was quickly awarded the match and the title as his theme music began to play. Hebner rapidly ran backstage from the ring, allegedly to a waiting car. This is a very extreme example of a screwjob (hence the term Montreal Screwjob) as well as a shoot event.

Astounded by the unexpected turn of events, Hart was immediately outraged. He stood dazed in the ring as Michaels walked backstage to a cascade of garbage from fans. Michaels himself was told to act even more outraged than Hart, because if he didn't, they feared that Hart may have attacked him and pummelled him for real again (he had done so earlier in the year backstage at a RAW taping), which would have been bad for business if their new champion had been beaten to a pulp on live PPV by the leaving participant. Hart spat at McMahon, hit him in the eye, and shortly after, destroyed several TV monitors at ringside before climbing the turnbuckles and signing the letters "WCW" to the rabid crowd. Backstage, after cooling off, he learned that many of the other wrestlers were outraged and were forcefully pressuring the now-in-hiding McMahon to face up to Hart (Hart even proclaimed to his wife, "The piece of **** locked himself up in his office"). Hart's son was physically upset at what had happened and his wife laid a verbal onslaught onto Triple H (whom she rightfully believed knew about the whole thing), while The Undertaker confronted McMahon and demanded that he meet with Hart face-to-face. McMahon went to see Hart, and the incident ended up as a physical confrontation in the Montreal locker rooms. After McMahon tried to apologize to Hart, he was told to get out or get punched in the face. McMahon refused to leave, and got punched in the face. With Shane and Brisco also there, one of them trampled onto McMahon's ankle by accident and broke it.

Several wrestlers threatened to walk out on the WWF after the event and were only calmed by a backstage meeting in which McMahon lied in order to soften the pain of the wrestlers, fearing that if it could happen to one of the most loyal and popular members on the roster, it could happen to anyone.

The next night on RAW, McMahon and Michaels did what they could to kill the Bret Hart mystique. When the show opened, Michaels gave an interview in the ring where he mocked Hart by saying "I ran the Bret down south with all the other dinosaurs, and Hitman, the gentlemen down there that aren't dinosaurs are my friends and they can't wait to kick your butt either." Hart was watching back at his home in Calgary and wasn't surprised at what they were doing.

Later that night, McMahon gave an interview giving his side of the Montreal Screwjob. He then concluded saying that he himself didn't screw Bret, but "Bret screwed Bret."

About three weeks later, a week before Hart was set to debut on WCW Monday Nitro, Michaels further disgraced the Hitman name by claiming that he had secretly negotiated a deal to "Set the record straight" with Hart before he was going to leave. Hart's signature music played, and out came a midget dressed up like Hart. Michaels and the other members of D-Generation X pretended to torture him before attaching a WCW bumper sticker on his butt, kicking him out of the ring and saying "There you go Hitman, head down south with all the other has-beens."

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Legacy

In the days to follow, Hart left for WCW, and McMahon claimed he could not trust Bret with the title, fearing he would show up on the competition's TV show with the WWF Championship. McMahon had reason to fear this; in December 1995, the WWF Women's Champion, Debra Miceli (who wrestled as Alundra Blayze in the WWF), showed up on WCW Monday Nitro with the championship belt. Miceli proceeded to throw the belt in a trash can on live TV, imitating a well-publicized act by heavyweight boxerRiddick Bowe. However, in Hart's newly released DVDThe Best There Is, the Best There Was, and the Best There Ever Will Be, both Hart and Eric Bischoff clearly stated that Hart being the WWF Champion was not a factor in Bret's jump to WCW, and Bischoff had advised Bret to do whatever he needed to do (in terms of ending his WWF Championship run) in order to begin a clean and fresh start in his WCW career. The WWF, however, did not take this into consideration at all, and because Bischoff and Vince were on bad terms with each other during this period, Bischoff was unable to tell McMahon that his championship belt was of no concern or interest to himself. This therefore played a factor in the Montreal Screwjob.

A legacy of this incident is that at wrestling shows in Montreal (and to a lesser extent, Canada in general), chants of "You screwed Bret!" will spontaneously arise when key players in the screwjob make their appearances, particularly Hebner and Michaels. Several parodies of the event have also been booked into subsequent WWF matches, such as at the end of the following year's Survivor Series main event between The Rock and Mick Foley. Another notable play on the infamous event took place on the May 28, 2001 episode of RAW in Calgary, Alberta, featuring Chris Benoit being cheated out of a WWF Title win, when Stone Cold Steve Austin applied the Crippler Crossface finisher on Benoit, and McMahon yelling at Hebner to ring the bell. However, Benoit and his ally, Chris Jericho, applied their finishers on McMahon and Austin at the end of the show.

The Montreal Screwjob was the first heavily publicized professional wrestling double cross since Wendi Richter lost the WWF Women's Championship to a maskedFabulous Moolah following a contract dispute on November 25, 1985. However, it is not the only screwjob in wrestling history. In fact, it is common practice among some companies, and has been for years.

On February 13, 2006, it was announced on WWE.com that Bret Hart will be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

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bret hart has stated before that he has moved on from that incident and likes not to think about it. and the reason some people think he won't let it go is because he still talks about it. well guess what, every interview he is in he is asked about it. how is he supposed to let it go when we haven't yet?

oh and the wwe won't stop bringing it up either. evidence being the vince hbk story on raw and the original plan for the bret hart dvd.

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#7 The_Dude14
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But knowing Vinc, I don't know how Bret signed a contract with other federation AND while he was a Champion.
He should have known that it would piss Vince off.
But yeah, I guess both are morons. To bad to have a great wrestler to miss so many opportunities and care more about himself than the people that made him who he is: the fans.
But well, he isn't the best wrestler ever, there are so many amazing new guys and girls that are beating their asses off to be recognized, and still the fans want the people that don't appreciate them.windnocturne
Vince encouraged Bret to sign the WCW deal. 
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#8 The_Last_Ride
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Is it common, like when. I havent seen any of those " screw up" matches...
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#9 JoHn-CeNa346
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Just some questions.
I know that Vince screw him by ringing the bell making Hart to lose the title against HBK, even when Hart didn't tap out. All of this because Hart signed a contract with another federation while he was a champion in the WWF, and Vince didn't want him to be a champion because of that.
So, Hart wants an appologize and stuff, and the WWE won't give him that. Or I don't know.
Who has the fault here? Is the WWE total asses, Hart is a crybaby or both are guilty?
Cuz' this soap opera is kinda getting irritating... windnocturne

Acutally, Vince screwed Hart because he wouldn't drop the title to Shawn because he didnt want to lose the title in his home town, not because he was going to WCW and Metal Dragon King, about your story, everything in there is true execpt for the WM 13 thing. Shawn didnt do the "I Quit" Match with Bret because of his knee. Not because he didnt want to give the title to Bret.

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#10 Hitm4nH4rt
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Bret isn't a 'crybaby'. He's just labelled as one, unfairly.