Brighest Young Talent in WWE Maineventers in Next 3 years

Im Just wondering who you think would be a main eventer in next 3 years and which of the young talents is the brighest

CM Punk has the best shot.  He's already being pushed as a big deal on ECW and I think that he has a bright future.  Johnny Nitro I thought would be in the main event by the end of the year when the year started but for some reason he has kind of been lost in the shuffle on Raw and isn't doing anything.  Same thing going on with Kenny.  By the way notice how I'm not even going to mention the other one in that poll?  Yeah well there is a reason for that.

CM Punk is probably your safest bet. He has a loyal following, knows how to evoke true emotion on the mat and in promos coupled with being a great wrestler.

I think Kenny deserves at least a push, I mean he got out of the Spirit Squad almost unharmed. They might push him, but half way through they'll probably forget why and just release him.

Also, if the Miz even lasts in WWE 3 years, I'll eat my liver... with some fatherbeans..

i would have definitely NOT pu The Miz on the list. MVP would be a better choice or Elijah Burke.

but the safe bet is Punk. and 3 years is a ways off, so it could be all of them (and if i'm right, i will shoot myself the moment The Miz wins ANY world title).

i even think Punk will be high midcard low main event this time next year if he goes over to Raw. possibly feuding with Nitro.

Dykstra still has a long ways to go, but 3 years isn't much in WWE since they'll push certain people to the moon.

I understand none of you like the miz imagine if miz won the world title i would eat my hat(quoted by Jim Ross)

I believe Cm Punk, Nitro isnt Really going anywhere and the Miz is a joke,

CMPunk doesnt have nothing.  MVP will main event & maybe Cor Von.  Nitro may go somewhere if he works on his image.  Khali can go somewhere if he works on his movelist!BadMrSnake

I think Khali has gone further than Punk will ever go!  HE's just a knock off of RVD.BadMrSnake

Here we go.....

I think Khali has gone further than Punk will ever go!  HE's just a knock off of RVD.BadMrSnake

CMPunk doesnt have nothing. MVP will main event & maybe Cor Von. Nitro may go somewhere if he works on his image. Khali can go somewhere if he works on his movelist!BadMrSnake

I think Khali has gone further than Punk will ever go!  HE's just a knock off of RVD.BadMrSnake

Hahaha, I wasnt gonna say anything until I read that. Can you explain to us all what Khali has done to surpass Punk in the WWE even up to this point in time? Punks accomplishments already are greater than Khalis. You got it twisted brother.

[QUOTE="BadMrSnake"]I think Khali has gone further than Punk will ever go!  HE's just a knock off of RVD.SeriousThreat

Hahaha, I wasnt gonna say anything until I read that. Can you explain to us all what Khali has done to surpass Punk in the WWE even up to this point in time? Punks accomplishments already are greater than Khalis. You got it twisted brother.

In terms of WWE giving him sucess, he beat 'Taker cleanly. That's more than what Punk's done.

I'm pretty sure RVD isn't straight Edge.

 Anyway, where the hell is MVP, he's the star.

CMPunk doesnt have nothing. MVP will main event & maybe Cor Von. Nitro may go somewhere if he works on his image. Khali can go somewhere if he works on his movelist!BadMrSnake

"doesn't have nothing", you do realise that isn't a negative comment.

 also i can see where people are coming from not liking punk without knowing him before he came to the WWE. if i heard all this praise about punk and heard all the hype about him and then watched one of his ECW matches i wouldn't like him that much either.  he's almost forced upon people as this saviour of wrestling in the WWE yet he hasn't done much if anything yet.

mark my words though, in three years time you will have a completely different view of cm punk. 

I do not see why Punk should receive special treatment simply because he was big star within the Independent circuit. If he is going to be success in the WWE, he needs show me some reasons to get behind him because for my liking, I do not care about what he did in ROH. Botom line is that I care about is what is happening right now and right now - regardless of the reason or excuse, beyond bunch of mindless, pointless and random jujutsu (which, by the way, is negative), the only thing that CM Punk has shown me is potential, chamsima and ability to repeatly squash Steven Richards, which, for my liking, is no different than qualities I have seen from about dozen other guys who are on the roster.

I do not see why Punk should receive special treatment simply because he was big star within the Independent circuit. If he is going to be success in the WWE, he needs show me some reasons to get behind him because for my liking, I do not care about what he did in ROH. Botom line is that I care about is what is happening right now and right now - regardless of the reason or excuse, beyond bunch of mindless, pointless and random jujutsu (which, by the way, is negative), the only thing that CM Punk has shown me is potential, chamsima and ability to repeatly squash Steven Richards, which, for my liking, is no different than qualities I have seen from about dozen other guys who are on the roster.

 

 

 

 

 

Link256

isn't that a bit ignorant? 

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I do not see why Punk should receive special treatment simply because he was big star within the Independent circuit. If he is going to be success in the WWE, he needs show me some reasons to get behind him because for my liking, I do not care about what he did in ROH. Bottom line is that I care about is what is happening right now and right now - regardless of the reason or excuse, beyond bunch of mindless, pointless and random jujitsu (which, by the way, is negative), the only thing that CM Punk has shown me is potential, charisma and ability to repeatedly squash Steven Richards, which, for my liking, is no different than qualities I have seen from about dozen other guys who are on the roster.

Mu5uk0

isn't that a bit ignorant? 

No, I do not think so. I state and explanin my opinion with merit - what is ignorant about that?

Besides, if you feel as if it is "ignorant," I would apperirate some explanaion, on your part.

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I do not see why Punk should receive special treatment simply because he was big star within the Independent circuit. If he is going to be success in the WWE, he needs show me some reasons to get behind him because for my liking, I do not care about what he did in ROH. Bottom line is that I care about is what is happening right now and right now - regardless of the reason or excuse, beyond bunch of mindless, pointless and random jujitsu (which, by the way, is negative), the only thing that CM Punk has shown me is potential, charisma and ability to repeatedly squash Steven Richards, which, for my liking, is no different than qualities I have seen from about dozen other guys who are on the roster.

Link256

isn't that a bit ignorant?

No, I do not think so. I state and explanin my opinion with merit - what is ignorant about that?

Besides, if you feel as if it is "ignorant," I would apperirate some explanaion, on your part.

i'm not accusing but from the way i read it you essentially said you don't know why people think (or why you should think) cm punk is so good and saying that his ROH stuff is irrelevant. like i said in a previous post, cm punk's WWE experience has shown about 2% of what he can actually achieve, we (cm punk fans) know this because we have seen his roh stuff, iwa stuff and to a lesser extent his ovw stuff. i said in a previous post that if one had not seen any of cm punk's pre-wwe matches/promos that they wouldn't appreciate how good he actually is. but for you to say that you don't see what's so great about him and then claim that you don't care about what is so great about cm punk is i guess ignorant because it his indy work which has shown everyone just what exactly he can do and is why we are so excited about seeing him in the wwe.

i'm not accusing but from the way i read it you essentially said you don't know why people think (or why you should think) cm punk is so good

Mu5uk0

To be simple, actually, I understand why most people love him. Two most common things I hear are how much they love a) "straight edge" gimmick and b) series of matches he had with Samoa Joe in ROH. 

With others, appears if they are doing nothing more than follow the heard, rather than basis things on their own opinion. 

saying that his ROH stuff is irrelevant.

Mu5uk0

Edit: Irrelevant in similar matter that Bret Hart's Stampede Wrestling Career was irrelevant in comparison to his WWE Career. 

In the context of CM Punk's career in the WWE ("ECW"), that would be correct. To be simple, he needs to prove himself in the WWE and so far, he has not.

If guys along the lines of Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels and Mic Foley, to name few, had to work their way up the business for number of years in order to constantly prove themselves (remember, these are some of the biggest names of all-time), I do not see why CM Punk should recieve special treatment.

like i said in a previous post, cm punk's WWE experience has shown about 2% of what he can actually achieve, we (cm punk fans) know this because we have seen his roh stuff, iwa stuff and to a lesser extent his ovw stuff. i said in a previous post that if one had not seen any of cm punk's pre-wwe matches/promos that they wouldn't appreciate how good he actually is. but for you to say that you don't see what's so great about him and then claim that you don't care about what is so great about cm punk is i guess ignorant because it his indy work which has shown everyone just what exactly he can do and is why we are so excited about seeing him in the wwe.

Mu5uk0

Forget about the Indy stuff for one moment and try put yourself in the postion of casual WWE fan who knows nothing of anything outside of the WWE.

Now, with that being said, what would be your opinion on all of this strong suppport that CM Punk is recieving? (Remember, this is CM Punk who is nothing more than common rookie, who has basically accomplished nothing more than task of squashing bunch of jobbers).

I do not know about you, however, in some accepts, it reminds of Rocky Maivia.

To be simple, actually, I understand why most people love him. Two most common things I hear are how much they love a) "straight edge" gimmick and b) series of matches he had with Samoa Joe in ROH.

With others, appears if they are doing nothing more than follow the heard, rather than basis things on their own opinion.

Link256

you're right, there definately are people who just go along and like cm punk just because others do. it's the same with ecw, someone watches the rise and fall of ecw dvd and suddenly they're the biggest ecw fanatic ever. the pretencious wrestling fans annoy me more than the people who chanted "we want cena" at the first ECW on Sci-Fi taping. 

In the context of CM Punk's career in the WWE ("ECW"), that would be correct. To be simple, he needs to prove himself in the WWE and so far, he has not.

If guys along the lines of Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels and Mic Foley, to name few, had to work their way up the business for number of years in order to constantly prove themselves (remember, these are some of the biggest names of all-time), I do not see why CM Punk should recieve special treatment.

Link256

the guy's been in the WWE for about 8 months, it's not surprising he hasn't had a big impact yet. and what do you mean by special treatment? cm punk has worked his way up in the business for a number of years also, he made his debut in 1999, it was 7 years until he got onto WWE television. i wouldn't call that special treatment.

Forget about the Indy stuff for one moment and try put yourself in the postion of casual WWE fan who knows nothing of anything outside of the WWE.

Now, with that being said, what would be your opinion on all of this strong suppport that CM Punk is recieving? (Remember, this is CM Punk who is nothing more than common rookie, who has basically accomplished nothing more than task of squashing bunch of jobbers).

I do not know about you, however, in some accepts, it reminds of Rocky Maivia.

 Link256

i already said that a person who has no knowledge about anything outside of wwe would be sceptical about cm punk and why he is so popular and might even resent him for that, but the people who have seen his indy stuff can't unwatch it. they know what he's done, they've seen the matches, the promos and know that cm punk can easily be a breakout star.

 calling cm punk a 'common rookie' is pretty unfair seeing as though you have admitted to not watching any of his pre-wwe matches.

 rocky maivai turned into one of the biggest superstars the industry has ever seen, combine that with punk's ability to actually put on a good wrestling match, i don't think there is much of a problem here.

WWE for about 8 months, it's not surprising he hasn't had a big impact yet. and what do you mean by special treatment? cm punk has worked his way up in the business for a number of years also, he made his debut in 1999, it was 7 years until he got onto WWE television. i wouldn't call that special treatment.

Mu5uk0

You are missing the point entirely. What I am saying is that the guy has done nothing in the WWE and yet - by some of his reactions, you think he is some kind of "superstar." If this is not special treatment, I am not sure what it is. Again, I am talking about strictly in the context of the WWE.

Edit 2: To put this into your context, if Mic Foley, guy who had spent 11 years wrestling in various companies around the world, look upon as being legend to most everyone else outside of the WWE and WCW, before making his debut into the WWE did not recieve "superstar" treatment (reaction) from the fans upon his entry in the WWE and therefore, had prove himself to the WWE audience, I do not see why CM Punk should be any different.

Again, for my liking, he needs prove himself in regards to what he can accomplish in the WWE.

calling cm punk a 'common rookie' is pretty unfair seeing as though you have admitted to not watching any of his pre-wwe matches.

Mu5uk0

You are taking what I said out of context. I was trying to paint you into screanio of common WWE fan and believe it or not, I would imagine to them, he is rookie, seeing how to most of them, they know nothing of wrestling outside of the WWE.

rocky maivai turned into one of the biggest superstars the industry has ever seen, combine that with punk's ability to actually put on a good wrestling match, i don't think there is much of a problem here.

Mu5uk0

I am talking about Rocky Mavia, not The Rock - there is difference. In another words, there is good reason why I refered him as being "Rocky Maivia," rather than his common and more popular name of The Rock.

CM Punk is guy who, for no apparent reason to the casual fan, is being discussed and treated "big deal," despite the fact he has done nothing in the WWE. And with that being said, I often recieve vibe that the guy is being "forced" onto people - hints the comparison to Rocky Maivia. If WWE is not careful, sooner or later, I could see backlash happening.

By the way, in all of this, I think the point you are missing is that I am trying to put you in shoes of common WWE fan who to them, WWE is the only wrestling company in business, and therefore, anything CM Punk accomplished outside of the WWE did not happen because his career begin in the WWE.

Edit 2: In another words, seem as if you debating for CM Punk as in emphasis on his entire career, where as talking from point of his WWE career and only that, as if nothing else happen outside of that.

Edit: Also, the other difference is that I am trying to seperate WWE CM Punk and ROH CM Punk, where as you are trying to merge them.

I don't think you really can seperate WWE CM Punk and ROH CM Punk, though. They have become inextricably linked by a vocal portion of the fans.  It'd be like trying to seperate ECW RVD from WWE RVD.  

You're right, in WWE, Punk has done absolutely nothing to justify being able to stand in the same ring as The Hardys, Triple H and HBK and be the one the fans are chanting for, but that is what happened. Trying to deny Punk's popularity is no different than trying to deny John Cena's popularity from 2004 to when he took the title in 2005. It doesn't matter whether he has earned it or not or whether I liked it or not, he was consitently recieving one of the loudest reactions of the night which is more than enough reason to have pegged him as a future main eventer. Its just the facts. Similarly, CM Punk consistently gets the one of the loudest reactions of the night, far bigger than anyone on that list, which is more than enough reason to peg him as a future main eventer, especially from the guys listed. 

I do not see why Punk should receive special treatment simply because he was big star within the Independent circuit. If he is going to be success in the WWE, he needs show me some reasons to get behind him because for my liking, I do not care about what he did in ROH. Bottom line is that I care about is what is happening right now and right now - regardless of the reason or excuse, beyond bunch of mindless, pointless and random jujutsu (which, by the way, is negative), the only thing that CM Punk has shown me is potential, chamsima and ability to repeatly squash Steven Richards, which, for my liking, is no different than qualities I have seen from about dozen other guys who are on the roster.

Link256

After reading this, and all the posts below, I do not think that we and any other Punk indy fans are giving him special treatment. I personally, am just giving credit, where credit is due. I think he can do the same as he did in the indies and then some, given a push. I don't think I should be hindered for that, just because I don't take into consideration a casual WWE fan's nature not to have heard of him or ROH. Sure, he hasn't done a lot of career memorable matches but this is only the beginning for Punk. As you can probably already see, there is a clear following for Punk, either from the fans just getting behind the guy WWE want to push in ECW, or there are more ROH fans than we thought there were.

I don't think it would be right to discredit what we have previously seen from Punk, just because others may have not.

Damn, I missed one hell of a debate here. That was really entertaining to read guys, nice job.

Damn, I missed one hell of a debate here. That was really entertaining to read guys, nice job.

WWEMAN101

I don't think you really can seperate WWE CM Punk and ROH CM Punk, though. They have become inextricably linked by a vocal portion of the fans.  It'd be like trying to seperate ECW RVD from WWE RVD.  

The_Dude14

As far as the audience at live is cocerned, to be simple, you are correct. However, what I am trying to say is that imagine, that there is portion of the home audience who must have some kind of confusion on why this guy is recieving all of these cheers for basically doing nothing.

Plus, the other difference is that ECW had some mainstream popularity, where as ROH, more or less, does not.

In addition, when RVD enter into the WWE, he did so by joining "ECW" during the "Invasion" angle and therefore, already, there was visual to link his two career in ECW and WWE, where as CM Punk, more or less, has not had any visuals to link his ROH and WWE careers.

I hear what you are saying and I agree with you, however, I think there are some differences, if only slight, that are worth mentioning.

You're right, in WWE, Punk has done absolutely nothing to justify being able to stand in the same ring as The Hardys, Triple H and HBK and be the one the fans are chanting for, but that is what happened. Trying to deny Punk's popularity is no different than trying to deny John Cena's popularity from 2004 to when he took the title in 2005. It doesn't matter whether he has earned it or not or whether I liked it or not, he was consitently recieving one of the loudest reactions of the night which is more than enough reason to have pegged him as a future main eventer. Its just the facts. Similarly, CM Punk consistently gets the one of the loudest reactions of the night, far bigger than anyone on that list, which is more than enough reason to peg him as a future main eventer, especially from the guys listed. 

The_Dude14

Okay, I will admit that as far as trying deny CM Punk of his popularity was going bit too far because whether or not it was earned, whether or not I like it, it is there and that is realilty that I cannot deny.

However, with that being said, is it me or am I the only one who could see potential harm in all of this strong fan support? I mean, you yourself compared the popuarlity to John Cena and look what has happened there? True, the guy is 3-time WWE Champion and true, Cena has basically been number 1 guy in the company for the last 2 or 3 years, however, look at the backlash that has happened. While it may be unwarranted, to deny would be to deny reality and for my liking, saying that is not harmful, in some kind of context, would be telling lie.

And with that being said, my point in all of this is that if WWE is not able to capalize on all of this fan support (heel turn is decent start, in my humble opinion), sooner or later, I could easily see CM Punk recieving backlash in similar vain to what happen to John Cena and The Rock. That, or they may grow tired of him if something is not done about it. And unlike those guys, there is chance, if only slight, that he would not be able to recover from it.

Now, with all of this being said, I am not necessarily saying these things will happened, however, what I am saying is that they are possibilities, possibilities that I think could potential turn into reality, if WWE is not careful.

Plus, on top all of that, the other potential harm here I could see happening is that if it does work. Let's say that CM Punk become success and all my talk of backlash and unwarranted fame was unnecessary. Let's say that. Well, imagine what kind of message that could potential send to the business. In my mind, the message basically could potential say that "do not worry, once you reach the big leagues, you do not have to work as hard because the fan will support you regardless of what you do." To me, that could potentiallly lead to some laziness - self-explanatory on why that is bad thing.

Again, not saying this or any of these things will necessarily happened, however, what I am saying is that these are all possibiliities that one day could become reality and see more harm than good, if WWE is not careful.

I think Khali has gone further than Punk will ever go! HE's just a knock off of RVD.BadMrSnake

Hey, I don't mind another WWE & ECW Champion. Multiple time IC champ, and some tag titles in the mix. Doesn't bother me at all. 

I hear what you are saying and I agree with you, however, I think there are some differences, if only slight, that are worth mentioning.Link256

Okay, I will admit that as far as trying deny CM Punk of his popularity was going bit too far because whether or not it was earned, whether or not I like it, it is there and that is realilty that I cannot deny.

However, with that being said, is it me or am I the only one who could see potential harm in all of this strong fan support? I mean, you yourself compared the popuarlity to John Cena and look what has happened there? True, the guy is 3-time WWE Champion and true, Cena has basically been number 1 guy in the company for the last 2 or 3 years, however, look at the backlash that has happened. While it may be unwarranted, to deny would be to deny reality and for my liking, saying that is not harmful, in some kind of context, would be telling lie.

And with that being said, my point in all of this is that if WWE is not able to capalize on all of this fan support (heel turn is decent start, in my humble opinion), sooner or later, I could easily see CM Punk recieving backlash in similar vain to what happen to John Cena and The Rock. That, or they may grow tired of him if something is not done about it. And unlike those guys, there is chance, if only slight, that he would not be able to recover from it.

Now, with all of this being said, I am not necessarily saying these things will happened, however, what I am saying is that they are possibilities, possibilities that I think could potential turn into reality, if WWE is not careful.Link256

And, to a certain extent, I believe WWE has gone out of their way thus far to not capitilize on Punk's support, especially Post-Heyman.  They have sent quite a few messages to CM Punk to try and "put him in his place" so to speak.  Being knocked out of the EC first and pretty unceremoniously, a few decisive losses to Hardcore Holly and a complete lack of direction.  He's only had one legit feud, against Mike Knox over kelly that was forgotten.  Throughout all this, Punk's popularity has held strong.  And we haven't seen much in the way of backlash, yet, but I do see cause for concern if things don't change for Punk.  But I think the ball is as much in WWE's court as it is Punk's.

Again, not saying this or any of these things will necessarily happened, however, what I am saying is that these are all possibiliities that one day could become reality and see more harm than good, if WWE is not careful.Link256

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Damn, I missed one hell of a debate here. That was really entertaining to read guys, nice job.

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