Cruiserweights ordered to tone it down

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#1 dRehkJY
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Vince McMahon Tells Cruiserweights To Tone It Down
Date Added: August 05, 2005
Story By: Steve Turner
Source: PWInsider.com

Vince McMahon has sent word down through WWE that he wants cruiserweights to tone down several risky high flying moves, unofficially banning maneuvers such as the 450 splash and the shooting star press.

Apparently the number of injuries has caused McMahon to decide that high flying risky maneuvers are simply not worth it. The unofficial ban actually went into effect around two weeks ago and when Paul London used the shooting star press against Nunzio on a recent edition of Velocity, he was told by company officials not to use it again and to come up with a different finisher.

London along with other WWE cruiserweights are upset about having to tone down their style. Many in the industry are comparing this unofficial ban to the ban of the tombstone piledriver where WWE officials only let the Undertaker and Kane use it in dramatic situations.

Source - www.prowrestling.com


My god, they have ruined the division now. Even more
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#2 hbk91
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How can they do that? I am really pissed off about that because as you said they are ruining the feel of the CW division. :evil:
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#3 dRehkJY
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Just like someone said in GWD, it is like when Watts ordered no top rope moves in wCw in the early 90s (Saw it on Classics last year) and speaking of GWD, checked your PM box hbk?
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#4 keiblerfan69
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ok that is just plain dumb. how can they do that? level up for TNA's X-Division
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#5 hbk91
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ok that is just plain dumb. how can they do that? level up for TNA's X-Divisionkeiblerfan69
Agreed. They might as well go there now. Oh and yeah I saw it dRehkJY. I posted something too.
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#6 dRehkJY
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Good. People better not be disqualified for throwing people over the top rope again
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#7 hbk91
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Good. People better not be disqualified for throwing people over the top rope againdRehkJY
Well then I guess we won't be seeing any Royal Rumbles then! :P
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#8 DuckSol
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I guess the reason makes from VInce makes sense. Too many of these moves have injured people, but I think it's more of JBL whispering in Vince's ear about how the cruisers are making the upper-card look bad.
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#9 dRehkJY
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With some exceptions of course I meant :P
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I guess the reason makes from VInce makes sense. Too many of these moves have injured people, but I think it's more of JBL whispering in Vince's ear about how the cruisers are making the upper-card look bad.DuckSol


Probably but do any of the cruisers complain about it?
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#11 keiblerfan69
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this sucks cuz velocity was just starting to get good.
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#12 hbk91
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this sucks cuz velocity was just starting to get good.keiblerfan69
I've always watched Velocity to see matches like Akio vs London. I still watch it but the latest news will have an impact.
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#13 seve15
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this is crazy
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#14 JML897
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A message to Paul London - Get the hell out of there now.
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the CW division should be able to do anything they want to please the crowd....the fans want to see high flying, isnt that what CW division is
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#16 keiblerfan69
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A message to Paul London - Get the hell out of there now.JML897


im sure he is already thinking about going back TNA and ROH
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#17 Link256
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Well, that is simply nonsense. I mean, if the CW division was not suffering enought as it is in WWE, they can no longer able do several high-flying moves. I mean, what is the point of having a CW division anymore, if they are not allowed to do the risky high-flying moves that really help to make the division special. Plain and simple...this is nonsense!

I wish all WWE CW's would go TNA, where they know how to treat CW's and they do not limit what they can do.

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#18 engma724
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First no swanton, because jeff hardy is gone and now no shooting star press, they're killing business.
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#19 Pack_Man
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Ok seriously, there doing this when they don't even get hurt? Wow, just wow.
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#20 Skaterfool99
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the highflying stuff makes it good....but its better then somebody gets hurt

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#21 nellyg619
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That's what makes the cruiserweights so special
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#22 Chicago_Nut
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If you dont want to get hurt while wrestling, maybe you shouldnt start in the first place!! I mean, you cant expect to go to the WWE and not get hurt.
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I really don't trust unofficial infos and unoficial bans much. It can all turn out be a bad joke or some kind of misunderstanding. We have to wait for Velocity and see what'll happen. But if it turns out to be true, I really hope things will turn out like in the case of Tombstone. First Tomstone was baned, but later the "masters" where given permision to use it. In case of Tombstone "masters" are Kane and Taker; in case of high risk moves - experienced cruisers. Also remember that the Tombstone ban resulted in the creation of Last Ride, so if they ban 450 maybe they'll come up with something equal, if not better. Besides I can understand why WWE could think about baning these moves, you see, they have responsibility for their wrestlers and they also have some good money invsted in them. Remember, Paul London was seriously hurt from a botched highflying move, the courtesy of Psicosis (I believe) and another one resulted in a death of a wrestler in OVW.

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I really don't trust unofficial infos and unoficial bans much. It can all turn out be a bad joke or some kind of misunderstanding. We have to wait for Velocity and see what'll happen. But if it turns out to be true, I really hope things will turn out like in the case of Tombstone. First Tomstone was baned, but later the "masters" where given permision to use it. In case of Tombstone "masters" are Kane and Taker; in case of high risk moves - experienced cruisers. Also remember that the Tombstone ban resulted in the creation of Last Ride, so if they ban 450 maybe they'll come up with something equal, if not better. Besides I can understand why WWE could think about baning these moves, you see, they have responsibility for their wrestlers and they also have some good money invsted in them. Remember, Paul London was seriously hurt from a botched highflying move, the courtesy of Psicosis (I believe) and another one resulted in a death of a wrestler in OVW.

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A death resulted from a high flying move?? WOW!! I might change my mind.

BTW, Juventud did the 450 on London.

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That was a 450 that Psicois did to london, I thought it was a legdrop. will the moves still be in the game??!!!
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#26 GVETA
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[QUOTE="GVETA"]

I really don't trust unofficial infos and unoficial bans much. It can all turn out be a bad joke or some kind of misunderstanding. We have to wait for Velocity and see what'll happen. But if it turns out to be true, I really hope things will turn out like in the case of Tombstone. First Tomstone was baned, but later the "masters" where given permision to use it. In case of Tombstone "masters" are Kane and Taker; in case of high risk moves - experienced cruisers. Also remember that the Tombstone ban resulted in the creation of Last Ride, so if they ban 450 maybe they'll come up with something equal, if not better. Besides I can understand why WWE could think about baning these moves, you see, they have responsibility for their wrestlers and they also have some good money invsted in them. Remember, Paul London was seriously hurt from a botched highflying move, the courtesy of Psicosis (I believe) and another one resulted in a death of a wrestler in OVW.

Chicago_Nut

A death resulted from a high flying move?? WOW!! I might change my mind.

http://www.impactwrestling.com/Content.aspx?ID=1827

Dan Quirk, a 22-year-old New England independent wrestler passed away tonight after an accident in the ring at a show in Taunton, MA. Quirk, who used the ring name Spider in a match for the UCW promotion held at the Elks Lodge, caught an opponent doing a moonsault off the top rope. In landing, his head crashed hard onto the concrete, causing a massive hemmorhage. He was only briefly revived before being declared dead at a local hospital.

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#27 GVETA
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That was a 450 that Psicois did to london, I thought it was a legdrop. will the moves still be in the game??!!!Kotenks

Yep that's what it was supposed to be. I don't think they'll take the move out of the game.

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#28 sephy37
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stujpid wwe. there goes the cruiserweight division.
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#29 superman2412
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while the wwe is at it, they might as well ban diva slapping.....they could break a nail and you know vinxce doesn't want that
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#30 The_Last_Ride
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why did they actually fire billy kidman & the dudleys ?
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#31 Biggestgeekever
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It's official, Vince has brain damage.
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#32 The_Last_Ride
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no he just dont want his superstars to be killed
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That was a 450 that Psicois did to london, I thought it was a legdrop. will the moves still be in the game??!!!Kotenks

Correction, it was Juventud that did it. I think it was his fault that got the move banned. Any why banned the Shooting Star Press when Paul London does it perfectly. He does that move about half way into the ring, which makes sense, cuz you won't land on someone face unlike what Kidman did awhile back in 2004 to Paul London. I think doing high-flying moves to close is causing for some serious injury. Doing the move a little farther will cause a lot less injury. Paul London deserve to be treated as a mid-card, not a jobber. They need to put that title back on London, or otherwise they plan on putting him in a Tag Team division, or the United States title run!

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[QUOTE="Kotenks"]That was a 450 that Psicois did to london, I thought it was a legdrop. will the moves still be in the game??!!!KevyR

Correction, it was Juventud that did it. I think it was his fault that got the move banned. Any why banned the Shooting Star Press when Paul London does it perfectly. He does that move about half way into the ring, which makes sense, cuz you won't land on someone face unlike what Kidman did awhile back in 2004 to Paul London. I think doing high-flying moves to close is causing for some serious injury. Doing the move a little farther will cause a lot less injury. Paul London deserve to be treated as a mid-card, not a jobber. They need to put that title back on London, or otherwise they plan on putting him in a Tag Team division, or the United States title run!

i'm sure lesnar's little attempt at a shooting star press didn't help chance vince's mind :P

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#35 KevyR
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Brock was a heavyweight, and I didn't think he deserve to do that. Didn't he get heat for doing a crusierweight moves back at that time?!
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Brock was a heavyweight, and I didn't think he deserve to do that. Didn't he get heat for doing a crusierweight moves back at that time?!KevyR
Who cares if he did. Shelton Benjamin is not a cruiserweight and look what he does in the ring.
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[QUOTE="KevyR"]

[QUOTE="Kotenks"]That was a 450 that Psicois did to london, I thought it was a legdrop. will the moves still be in the game??!!!sephy37

Correction, it was Juventud that did it. I think it was his fault that got the move banned. Any why banned the Shooting Star Press when Paul London does it perfectly. He does that move about half way into the ring, which makes sense, cuz you won't land on someone face unlike what Kidman did awhile back in 2004 to Paul London. I think doing high-flying moves to close is causing for some serious injury. Doing the move a little farther will cause a lot less injury. Paul London deserve to be treated as a mid-card, not a jobber. They need to put that title back on London, or otherwise they plan on putting him in a Tag Team division, or the United States title run!

i'm sure lesnar's little attempt at a shooting star press didn't help chance vince's mind :P

Dear god, that shooting star botch was an incredible thing, for a minute I thought Lesner was dead.

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#38 Chicago_Nut
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[QUOTE="KevyR"]

[QUOTE="Kotenks"]That was a 450 that Psicois did to london, I thought it was a legdrop. will the moves still be in the game??!!!sephy37

Correction, it was Juventud that did it. I think it was his fault that got the move banned. Any why banned the Shooting Star Press when Paul London does it perfectly. He does that move about half way into the ring, which makes sense, cuz you won't land on someone face unlike what Kidman did awhile back in 2004 to Paul London. I think doing high-flying moves to close is causing for some serious injury. Doing the move a little farther will cause a lot less injury. Paul London deserve to be treated as a mid-card, not a jobber. They need to put that title back on London, or otherwise they plan on putting him in a Tag Team division, or the United States title run!

i'm sure lesnar's little attempt at a shooting star press didn't help chance vince's mind :P

That shooting star press attempt has to be in wrestlings top 10 list, or at least top 20.
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#39 sephy37
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so what if brock wasn't a cruiserweight? should we tell benoit not to do the headbutt? any big guys not to do a suplex off the top rope?

brock did the ssp back in ovw a lot of times. he did them perfectly then.

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#40 Biggestgeekever
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so what if brock wasn't a cruiserweight? should we tell benoit not to do the headbutt? any big guys not to do a suplex off the top rope?

brock did the ssp back in ovw a lot of times. he did them perfectly then.

sephy37

I think he should have used it in WWE when he first came, he could of had a 1-2 combo of the F-5 and then the SSP.

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#41 Chicago_Nut
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Would you think that it would be better if Kurt Angle didnt move when Brock was coming down with the botched ssp? I think its better that he did move.
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#42 KevyR
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I'm not saying Brock shouldn't do it really but he doesn't really move like a crusierweight. Beniot, Angle, and Benjamin has used high flying moves for qutie sometimes, and were used to that. But Brock?! C'mon, when the last time you saw him dive over the top ropes or do a dive through the ropes. If you can perfect high-flying moves, used it to your arsenal, but other than that, just don't!
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banning the high-flying moves is like banning the pedigree for hhh...it's their finishers, and if they perform them perfectly, then they shouldn't be banned. if hhh botched the pedigree 2-3 times, would vince ban that?? hell no!!
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this sucks...

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#45 Kitanya
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This is stupid. I'm going to go watch TNA right now
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#46 dRehkJY
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Paul London used the 450 on Spike once and crashed right into spikes head remember. So it was not just Juventud's fault that the 450 was banned