Debate Poll - WWE, TNA or ROH?

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#1 The_Last_Ride
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Debate now!

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#2 appaloosa582002
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i say WWE
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#3 BATMAYNE
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I like WWE more but that dosen't mean it's better...

BTW, if I was a mod I would lock this.

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#4 Kotenks
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ROH... Yeah I know
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#5 lilhbk
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wwe.. because of hbk, hhh, y2j
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#6 The_Last_Ride
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I would also say WWE. I don't think TNA is great, they make awesome moves, but it's just to choatic for my taste. I mean they have good matches, but i think WWE has better matches...
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#7 sephy37
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WWE or TNA???

[Argument=WWE or TNA?]

ROH is the greatest wrestling company today.

[/End Argument]

if another mod wants to lock this, they can. i'm gonna keep it open since there's a chance it'll start a debate. 

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#8 AcolyteV1
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TNA has its flaws, but to me at least, it's a better product than the WWE.  I don't have to sit through Dr Heiney, or listen to people talk about a deceased co-worker being in hell as a means to get cheap heat.  So, TNA gets my vote.
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#9 Kotenks
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Name a great WWE match from 2005 that doesn't involve

HBK, Angle, Eddie, Benoit

 and i'll name a TNA one without AJ, Daniels, Joe,and Aries

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#10 master4scorpion
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i Guess WWE. But TNA is growing very fast
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#11 Fridgeman500
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TNA reminds me of WCW so it gets my vote. I like TNA's style of wrestling and TNA is just different from WWE, it's a good change. And TNA is growing fast.
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#12 icytower
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i Guess WWE. But TNA is growing very fastmaster4scorpion

I fully agree with you.  Currently WWE is better then TNA.  However, TNA has drastically closed the gap to WWE in the past few months.  For me, if both continue in the current direction, TNA will surpass WWE.

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c[QUOTE="master4scorpion"]i Guess WWE. But TNA is growing very fasticytower38

I fully agree with you.  Currently WWE is better then TNA.  However, TNA has drastically closed the gap to WWE in the past few months.  For me, if both continue in the current direction, TNA will surpass WWE.

WWE could being going up if they were usin some of their Cruiserweights better
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#14 JML897
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I know you didn't include it, but ROH is easily the best promotion today IMO. The roster is filled with great wrestlers, and believable angles, gimmicks, etc...there is nobody who strikes the ring with lightning or has magical powers. TNA has potential, but stupid decisions at the top pulls the quality down...and half of the time, there are no real angles with the feuds. In terms of storylines or pure wrestling, WWE doesn't touch either promotion. So basically,

ROH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TNA>>WWE.
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#15 deanie25
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I say wwe but i am argy at them but tna has some good stars but my vote is wwe dont get to see much tna
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#16 SeriousThreat
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I dont get to watch TNA as often as I do WWE, but when I do TNA is easily > WWE.
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#17 MetalDragonKing
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This is a hard choice, but at the moment I'll say WWE is better then TNA. TNA is closing the gap with every show and PPV they put on, if the WWE doesn't step up there game very soon then this "TNA>>>WWE" could be the future.

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#18 strongzysk
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I say WWE. I have been a loyal WWe fan since I was 5 years old and nothing is going to change that.

I agree that TNA is starting to catch WWE. TNA would take a drastic step in the right direction if they would give someone other that Jeff Jarrett the title. I figured he'd learn that after WCW collapsed, but I guess not. TNA has their first true blue Superstar. They got Sting, you can't get much better than Sting. If TNA is smart they will put the belt on Sting and let him hold it for a nice long run
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#19 MetalDragonKing
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I say WWE. I have been a loyal WWe fan since I was 5 years old and nothing is going to change that.

I agree that TNA is starting to catch WWE. TNA would take a drastic step in the right direction if they would give someone other that Jeff Jarrett the title. I figured he'd learn that after WCW collapsed, but I guess not. TNA has their first true blue Superstar. They got Sting, you can't get much better than Sting. If TNA is smart they will put the belt on Sting and let him hold it for a nice long run
strongzysk



How about Goldberg or Brock Lesnar or Bret Hart.

Sting is my favorite wrestler so I would love for nothing more then for them to give him the belt, but putting the title on him would be a mistake. Like many others have said TNA needs to bulid up the stars that they all ready have, like giving the belt to Cage, or how about Rhino he was only champ for two weeks, or give it to Abyss he could use a good title run.

Anyway putting the belt on a guy who might not even be with them at the end of the year would be a mistake.
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#20 Link256
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In my humble opinion, TNA at the moment, easily delivers better quality than WWE.

WWE product slightly above average at best...their storylines are becoming more tasteless and horrible as times goes on (and more of them are happening). Also, despite of negative crowd reaction, great success of Edge as WWE champion (regarding his positive heel reaction and strong rating) and John Cena's infamous debatable wrestling and mic skills (or lack of)...they continue to push John Cena at top of the card (with the WWE Championship). Obviously, could go-on and on about WWE's flaws, but I have said enough.

On the positive side, WWE is able to deliver great matches here and there (such as Angle-Michaels IV, TLC 4). Also, WWE has great workers such as Angle, Benoit, Michaels, London, Kendrick and etc. However, it is hard to point out the positives, when the negatives are many...and positives are few.

Obviously, yes...TNA has its flaws as well (Jeff Jarrett, script writing of their storylines, workers getting lost in the shuffle, to name few), but TNA's flaws are minor in compassion to WWE's, in my humble opinion. Also, in general, their match quality is better (and their pay-per-view are much better as well, for that matter), in my humble opinion.

On side note, where is Ring of Honor (ROH), on the list? :(

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#21 WWEMAN101
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Name a great WWE match from 2005 that doesn't involve

HBK, Angle, Eddie, Benoit

 and i'll name a TNA one without AJ, Daniels, Joe,and Aries

Kotenks

ok, i will

Triple H vs. Ric Flair at Taboo Tuesday

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#22 ToTheBank
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TNA > WWE by a landslide... go watch the joe/daniels/styles triple threat
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[QUOTE="Kotenks"]

Name a great WWE match from 2005 that doesn't involve

HBK, Angle, Eddie, Benoit

and i'll name a TNA one without AJ, Daniels, Joe,and Aries

WWEMAN101

ok, i will

Triple H vs. Ric Flair at Taboo Tuesday



Blade Fest 2005? :P

All the Flair/Trips matches I saw were more contests of who could bleed better for the cameras, to my mind. Admittedly, I missed Taboo Tuesday, so that could have been their one non-blade-fest match.

Okay, and to live up to the TNA end of the bargain:

Alex Shelley vs Shocker (Sacrifice)
Jeff Hardy vs Rhino vs Sabu vs Abyss (Bound For Glory)
Petey Williams vs Chris Sabin (Unbreakable)

... I could go on all day, and I only started watching TNA in August :P
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#24 The_Last_Ride
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  • WWE - 9
  • ROH - 3
  • TNA - 7

I think in my oppinion that TNA have better all around matches. I mean they make all have good matches, WWE can learn something from that. They also have good macthes at regular shows, which WWE hasn't got so often, they should also take and do something there. But in my oppinion, WWE i way better. Sure they have AJ Styles, Fallen Angel, Samoa Joe etc. But i think TNA is just raw moves, not wrestling. I mean its cool to watch, but i just don't like them just doing cool and unbelieveable moves. Thats just my oppinion.

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#25 pero2008
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wwe has more women. Tna is just boring. ROH never watched it or saw it
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#26 shoot_em_up123
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This thread really has its flaws.  *fixes* 

1) ROH
2) TNA
3) WWE

Anyone that has never seen ROH please go to www.rohwrestling.com and order a couple of DVD's.  You will then understand.

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Anyone that has never seen ROH please go to www.rohwrestling.com and order a couple of DVD's.  You will then understand.

shoot_em_up123

That is great, however I don't quite have any money to spend on any dvd's.  Does anyone know of a place to get fee video of ROH?

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#28 oneofakind_07
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I will say WWE right now, but ask me this question by summer time and i will probably have a different answer.
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#29 inferno-gaa
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I would say TNA's X division beats most of the WWE's extreme roster (except from RVD and Shelton) but WWE's main heavyweight roster just annihilates TNA's. If TNA drastically changes their Heavyweight roster I might be forced to decline my statement.
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#30 manhunt1001
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Im going for WWE on the account of loyalty but the brand has been going downhill for years now.
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#31 oneofakind_07
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Im going for WWE on the account of loyalty but the brand has been going downhill for years now. manhunt1001

yeah, WWE isnt doin very good right now, i think they need to put some more prestige on the cruiserweight title and get more cruiserweights in the WWE and work on there storylines.

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#32 Devouring_One
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i still like wwe but im starting to like tna more
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#33 DirtyDarren
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Three words......  RING OF HONOR!

I've been watching ROH since December, and my entire views of wrestling have changed dramatically.  I may be a life-long viewer of the WWE and am starting to really enjoy TNA, there isn't a promotion out there that can even hold up a card that would beat ROH.  They may not have all the names you know, but they'll be very well known to you in the future.

Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, CM Punk, Austin Aries, Alex Shelley, Roderick Strong, Paul London, Matt Hardy, Mick Foley, Ricky Steamboat, and Low Ki are all just a few of the names that have been in ROH..... and that's not including the REALLY good workers, those are just some names people are familar with.
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[QUOTE="shoot_em_up123"]

Anyone that has never seen ROH please go to www.rohwrestling.com and order a couple of DVD's.  You will then understand.icytower38

That is great, however I don't quite have any money to spend on any dvd's.  Does anyone know of a place to get fee video of ROH?

1.  www.rohvideos.com: Part of ROH's site, meaning its actually legal.  Contains an intro video, a couple of promos and highlight packages for specific superstars.  Video highlights of several members of the roster and a couple of matches.  A great place to start.

2.  www.youtube.com:  Search for ROH or specific wrestlers and you'll get a few matches and tributes, and a lot of crap trying to piggyback off of ROH.

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To answer the actual question at hand:

1.  ROH:  Easily the best wrestling promotion in North America and arguably the best in the world, right now.  The action is always great and they have had some of the best and most emotional and gripping angles in recent wrestling history, especially in the last 6 or so months.  If I was forced to choose, my choice would be easy.

IMO, TNA and WWE are right about even, but TNA scores the tiebreak, because TNA rarely offends me:
2.  TNA:  Generally terrific PPVs.  Due to constraints both externally (time allotted, timeslot) and internally (creative), their week to week TV can be tedious.  Its heavyweight division leaves a lot to be desired, especially at the top, but the X Division is as loaded with talent as it is under-used.
3.  WWE:  Flashes of brilliance mired in a flood of garbage.  The highs WWE can produce are tremendous and when WWE is on, you quickly realize why they were the last company standing in the Monday Night Wars.  However, for every high WWE has produced in the last couple of years it has been doubled by the lows.  I'll take TNA's steady, if often unspectacular, approach over the WWE's glaring inconsistency and general sucktitude.  Its sad that the company capable of such great things cannot get its head out of its ass long enough to actually deliver any of them without consequence.

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#36 icytower
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[QUOTE="icytower38"][QUOTE="shoot_em_up123"]

Anyone that has never seen ROH please go to www.rohwrestling.com and order a couple of DVD's.  You will then understand.The_Dude14

That is great, however I don't quite have any money to spend on any dvd's.  Does anyone know of a place to get fee video of ROH?

1.  www.rohvideos.com: Part of ROH's site, meaning its actually legal.  Contains an intro video, a couple of promos and highlight packages for specific superstars.  Video highlights of several members of the roster and a couple of matches.  A great place to start.

2.  www.youtube.com:  Search for ROH or specific wrestlers and you'll get a few matches and tributes, and a lot of crap trying to piggyback off of ROH.

Thank you for that, I've watched some things and my interest has really grown regarding ROH.

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#37 strongzysk
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How about Goldberg or Brock Lesnar or Bret Hart.MetalDragonKing
TNA couldn't afford Lesnar or Goldberg. They still have to turn a profit before they could even think about getting them. Bret Hart is retired. It is kind of hard to have a comeback when you have a stroke. Right now, Sting was the best pick up they could get. If they put the belt on him give him a 4 or 5 month reign, let him carry the company, he is more than capible of doing that.
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#38 Jericho300
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TNA. WWE makes me sick with some of the things they are doing.
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#39 hbk91
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1. ROH - Pure wrestling, regardless if it is considered "indy", ROH truly is the best fed of the three. Period.

2. WWE - Sure WWE Creative throws some foolish things once in a while but WWE has shown improvement as of late. The wrestling, especially on PPVs, are worth watching IMHO. The "E" factor is questionable though. They have some great spoofs but they are cast away by some of the idiocy Steph...WWE Creative provides. I have been watching TNA lately and right now, I rank WWE that bit over TNA.

3. TNA - The PPVs' have disappointed me lately. So has some of the iMPACTs too. Contrary to how they ran back last summer amazes me to see how much as changed. Nevertheless, considering they have a one hour time-slot, it's definitely an all-round decent fed, rivalling with the WWE.

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[QUOTE="MetalDragonKing"]How about Goldberg or Brock Lesnar or Bret Hart.strongzysk
TNA couldn't afford Lesnar or Goldberg. They still have to turn a profit before they could even think about getting them. Bret Hart is retired. It is kind of hard to have a comeback when you have a stroke. Right now, Sting was the best pick up they could get. If they put the belt on him give him a 4 or 5 month reign, let him carry the company, he is more than capible of doing that.

Lesnar is the one that could bring TNA into the limelight. String, Goldberg, even Bret Hart won't have as big of an effect on TNA if Lesnar signed. The reason they got Sting is because they believe he was a good draw and he happens to be chums with Jeff Jarret and some of the boys in the back. it's just too bad Sting didn't bring his buddy Lex with him.

also Lesnar can't "legally" wrestle here in the states. he can in Japan because they found a loophole where the wording in his contract was too vague. once WWE and Lesnar get their lawsuits in order and Lesnar is able to wrestle here again, it's not a question of "if he will sign?" it's "when he will sign?" i guarantee he will sign by the end or 2006.

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#41 hbk91
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Bret Hart won't have as big of an effect on TNA if Lesnar signed.sephy37
Oh please. What an understatement.
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#42 sephy37
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[QUOTE="sephy37"]Bret Hart won't have as big of an effect on TNA if Lesnar signed.hbk91
Oh please. What an understatement.

what do you mean? bret hart doesn't want to wrestle anymore. he is content with his life. and if he did sign with TNA, he isn't gonna be in it for as long as Lesnar would. i meant overall impact during their whole tenure with the comapny. and Bret Hart is a part of the old guard of wrestlers. guys that have passed their torch (unlike someone...shawn michaels i'm looking at you). Lesnar is fresh, young, and since he's been off WWE tv for almost 2 years, he's gonna come in as sort of a clean slate. Lesnar is the kind of guy to sprucen up TNA's heavyweight division. even tho everyone watches for the X Division, TNA puts the most emphasis on the storylines, matches, and the wrestlers of the heavyweight division.

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#43 hbk91
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[QUOTE="hbk91"][QUOTE="sephy37"]Bret Hart won't have as big of an effect on TNA if Lesnar signed.sephy37

Oh please. What an understatement.

what do you mean? bret hart doesn't want to wrestle anymore. he is content with his life. and if he did sign with TNA, he isn't gonna be in it for as long as Lesnar would. i meant overall impact during their whole tenure with the comapny. and Bret Hart is a part of the old guard of wrestlers. guys that have passed their torch (unlike someone...shawn michaels i'm looking at you). Lesnar is fresh, young, and since he's been off WWE tv for almost 2 years, he's gonna come in as sort of a clean slate. Lesnar is the kind of guy to sprucen up TNA's heavyweight division. even tho everyone watches for the X Division, TNA puts the most emphasis on the storylines, matches, and the wrestlers of the heavyweight division.

There's a Heavyweight Division in TNA? I would hardly call it a "Division". Unless you classify the recognised "X-Divison'ers", I'd say the only "Heavyweights" in TNA are Jarrett, Brown, Sting, Rhino, Abyss and lately, Christian Cage.

Anywho back on the issue of Hart and Lesnar.

Lesnar would most probably be thrown into squash matches. Similarly with what they did with Sting and Christian, Lesnar would be in the spotlight from the second they sign. I am not necessarily saying that's a bad thing but it totally diminishes the rest of the TNA roster when they are put aside like that. It would definitely fume up a lot of issues between WWE and TNA, especially management but it would get over for the fans.

Nevertheless, Hart would probably be focused on as the full package. He has the name, history and legacy which could change TNA forever, if he made a live appearance in the ring. Although Hart may have worked in some feds like 1UP, showing up in TNA would be a low blow to the WWE (notably Vince). It would be bigger than Lesnar. Regardless of how it's played, IMHO, Bret making one single appearance in TNA could out-do a Lesnar sign anyday.

His appearance on WWE Byte This! got so much publicity considering it is a crappy web-show on WWE.com. Imagine what one of those could do for TNA.

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ROH. I dont care for publicity, ROH has better wrestling and storylines. Period.

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#45 mja2k3
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Well in my opinion, I'd have t  say ROH. I haven't seen a lot of it but from what I saw it's the best. They're style of wrestling over there. And big taltentless hosses don't get the upper card. They're actual wrestling.
    As for TNA they're in second. They blow WWE out of the water by a lot, but lately they're starting to look like WWE. The last couple of Impact's have been quite boring. Hopefully they can turn that around. I feel what they really need is a 2 hour time slot. They're would be a lot less squash matches in my opinion.
    As for the WWE. Just look at the 500 reasons thread.