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#1 wallymartin
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We're gonna try to play a game.  I hope it works.

I'll pose a situation, and you have to pick one that you would rather have happen.  Sort of an either/or thing.  After a page or so, I'll pose a new situation.  So here's the first one:

In the WWE, which division would you rather see get bolstered:  The Tag division or the Women's division?

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#2 The_Last_Ride
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I would have them polish the tag division. Because they need to fix it, WWE had very good tag teams before. So i think they should make unique couples in the WWE.
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#3 hbk91
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Definitely the tag team division. Especially RAW's.

I have given up on the womens division really. It's all over the place now and rather insignificant too. The only recognition of the women's title we get to see these days is when Trish holds it up during her entrance. To be honest, it's only Trish and Mickey that sparks up the division now. With Lita returning in the ring soon, maybe that will do something too. Damn, where's Victoria?

Anywho back on my choice; the tag team division. I feel that SD!'s division is standing strong although we've seen the break up of Regal/Burchill along with the release of the Dicks. RAW's division sucks big time. It's like Kane/Show (who wrestle most of the time individually), Viscera/Venis, Snitsky/Tomko (where?), and the Spirit Squad that factor the division. Although SD!'s division is holding on well, RAW's isn't which makes me put the division in need of a bolstering reflect over the women's division.

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#4 BATMAYNE
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Tag Team Divison for sure. I don't usually watch women's match for the wrestling, of course, so I could care less about that. The Tag Team division needs alot of help though.
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#5 _Muta
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The tag division. The women don't need any bolstering. Trish, Mickie, and Victoria are sufficient. In fact, the women's division is currently one of the best booked segments of the show.

There is no excuse for the current shape of the tag division given the fine pool of talent the WWE has.

On Smackdown, you should have:

London/Kendrick - The cornerstone babyface tag team. They're the modern day Rockers/Rock N' Roll express as afar as i'm concerned.

MNM - The cornerstone heel tag team. I could see them having an awesome rivalry with London/Kendrick. It could mimmic the classic rivalry between The R & R express and the Midnight Express back in the 80's.

Team Angle - Once Angle is out of the title scene, bring him down to the tag division and call up Charlie Haas from OVW. Give Charlie the big time rub and pair him up with Angle as a babyface tag team. Angle will be Charlie's mentor, of sorts. This kills two birds with one stone by giving Angle less of a workload and a push for Charlie.

The Survivors - Okay, this tag team MIGHT be in poor taste, but hear me out. Make Jamie Noble and Gregory Helms a heel tag team. Have them wear matching confederate flag tights. Now they wouldn't neccessarily be racist, per se, but rather "proud southerners". Given their strong accents and decent-sharp mic work, i think they would get over big time. Perhaps give them JBL as mouthpiece to get the point across. JBL would probably work better as a manger, anyway.

Kid Kash & Johnny Jeter - Let these guys be a heel tag team managed by Ken Kennedy until Kennedy can wrestle himself. Bring Johnny over from RAW (He's a part of the spirit squad). If anyone has seen Kennedy & Jeter's stuff in OVW, you know that they would have the chemistry to make this trio work.

Psicrazy - Super Crazy and Psicosis are quite over as a babyface tag team. Let them keep doing what they're already doing. Just get rid of those lawnmowers and the other gimmicky crap.

Jobber teams:

Vito & Nunzio.

The Gymni.

Scotty 2 Hotti & Funaki

Tataka & Animal

Now, the trickier of the two, RAW:

Carlito & Chavo Guerrero - This idea has been tossed around for a while now. Carlito looks to be on the verge of a face turn. I think Carlito could bring just about the same things Eddie brought out of Chavo in a tag team setting. Let them be babyfaces. Give Chavo something to do other then jobbing and paying homage to Eddie for once......

Matt Striker & Chris Masters - Your classic Brains and Brawn heel tag team. Lord knows Masters would benefit from being paired with a strong mic worker. Striker would fit that bill just well.

HBK & Shelton Benjamin - Shelton would not work as a heel. Just let HBK be his mentor of sorts in this babyface tag team. It would make for an interesting eventual interbrand showdown between HBK/Shelton and Angle/Charlie at WM.

Big Show & Kane - A lame team, but they'll have to do for the other heel tag team.

Jobber teams:

Goldust & Eugene.

V-squared.

Tomko & Snitsky.

Obviously, RAW would be the weaker of the two, but there isn't much you can do about that one. RAW needs more talent, plain and simple.

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#6 The_Dude14
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Wait, is this really even a question?  The Tag Division, easily.  Even when the Women's division is good I still hate it.  Meanwhile, I've always loved Tag Team wrestling.  Many of my favorite wrestlers I have discovered from their Tag Team work, starting with Bret Hart and Marty Jannetty and more recently with when I saw Roderick Strong throwing Jack Evans around like a rag doll.

Its really a shame that WWE has gone out of their way to kill that division.  Many of the most memorable feuds from my youth came out of Tag Team wrestling.  Hell, there is no single moment in wrestling that has affected me more than the Rocker break-up.  Today, Tag Teams come and go faster than a Val Venis match on Raw.  Such a shame.  I definately want to see a strong Tag Team Division again!  Conversely, I could not care less about the Women's Division or the Women's Title.

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The Survivors - Okay, this tag team MIGHT be in poor taste, but hear me out. Make Jamie Noble and Gregory Helms a heel tag team. Have them wear matching confederate flag tights. Now they wouldn't neccessarily be racist, per se, but rather "proud southerners". Given their strong accents and decent-sharp mic work, i think they would get over big time. Perhaps give them JBL as mouthpiece to get the point across. JBL would probably work better as a manger, anyway._Muta
This is WWE we're talking about.  Ultimately, racists would probably be the best we could hope for. 

I like where your heads at, as many of those teams seem like good ideas, however, Raw's division is dead and beyond resurrection, IMO.  At this point, I say make the Tag Titles either brand exclusive for Smackdown or interpromotional, where Tag Teams could "register" themselves as teams and compete on both brands, but only compete for singles titles on their normal brand.  There are definately have to be logistical problems I'm not taking into account, but I think it really makes your Tag Titles actually seem important.

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#8 _Muta
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At this point, I say make the Tag Titles either brand exclusive for Smackdown

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Yeah, that's what i was thinking, too.....  it makes sense. RAW needs to focus more on their IC belt, anyway. You know there's a problem when the US belt, the title that was an iota away from death just a mere 8 months ago, has more presitge than the IC belt. Perhaps move Jillian over to RAW and throw her into women's division too. Her and Mickie worked quite well together in OVW.

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#9 wallymartin
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I agree that the Tag division should get more help than the Women's division.  In wrestling history, tag teams have been a major part and just as important as the big stars.  It doesn't matter how well Trish or Lita can wrestle, because even the most avid wrestling fan only watches the women's matches for two reasons: the left one and the right one.  And I like Muta's idea of Helms & Noble, but the WWE would push it too far.  All they have to do is throw a confederate flag on both of their trunks and the point gets across.  Any more than that and WWE goes back into racist mode.

Okay, that was a pretty weak question.  I would have asked about cruiserweights, too, but they seem relatively strong.

But the tag division answer leads me into the next question.  Which 1 of these tag teams would you most want to see in some form of a reunion, whether it be an actual reunification or even a feud: Edge & Christian, The Hardy Boyz, or the World's Greatest Tag Team?  EDIT: Added Kane/Taker and Jericho/Benoit.

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#10 The_Dude14
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But the tag division answer leads me into the next question.  Which 1 of these tag teams would you most want to see in some form of a reunion, whether it be an actual reunification or even a feud: Edge & Christian, The Hardy Boyz, or the World's Greatest Tag Team?wallymartin
Easily the World's Greatest Tag Team.  The less I see of the shell that is Jeff Hardy, the happier I am.  If he ever even showed the promise of getting back to the form where he was all about potential, then I might be interested, but not now.  Christian and, especially, Edge have moved on to bigger and better things and have no reason to take a step backwards to either a feud or a reunion.

Meanwhile, both members of WGTT could really stand to benefit from a reunion or feud.  Shelton flirted with moving on to bigger and better things, but is now stuck with a gimmick that is doing absolutely nothing for him except trying to get "Mama's Boy" chants to haunt him for the rest of his career and Haas was teamed with Holly and fired... I haven't decided which of those is actually worse, so things could only go up for him in a reunion or especially a feud.

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#11 wallymartin
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I thought about it again, and that's not really a good question either.  So to make this one a little more fair, I'm adding Kane/Taker and Jericho/Benoit to the mix.

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#12 windnocturne
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The tag division. The women don't need any bolstering. Trish, Mickie, and Victoria are sufficient. In fact, the women's division is currently one of the best booked segments of the show.

_Muta


Indeed. I'm a big supporter of women wrestling. I would love the WWE to bring girls like Jazz, Luna, Ivory, Molly, etc. back and have great matches. I love watching Trish, Mickie and Victoria performances, but I'd definetly love seing more great competitors. Is nice to see Candice, Torrie and Maria performing, but I would preffer more the wrestling over the eyecandy. And once again, I don't know what the freaking hell is doing Melina and Jillian in SD.
erm... ok... kinda lost it in the last part, sorry :P
Ok, as for the tag teams, I think they are pretty good right now. The WWE is experimenting with many combinations to see which are the right ones. RAW teams are to only ones that need to be inproved, but in SD is all good.

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The tag division. The women don't need any bolstering. Trish, Mickie, and Victoria are sufficient. In fact, the women's division is currently one of the best booked segments of the show.

There is no excuse for the current shape of the tag division given the fine pool of talent the WWE has.

On Smackdown, you should have:

London/Kendrick - The cornerstone babyface tag team. They're the modern day Rockers/Rock N' Roll express as afar as i'm concerned.

MNM - The cornerstone heel tag team. I could see them having an awesome rivalry with London/Kendrick. It could mimmic the classic rivalry between The R & R express and the Midnight Express back in the 80's.

Team Angle - Once Angle is out of the title scene, bring him down to the tag division and call up Charlie Haas from OVW. Give Charlie the big time rub and pair him up with Angle as a babyface tag team. Angle will be Charlie's mentor, of sorts. This kills two birds with one stone by giving Angle less of a workload and a push for Charlie.

The Survivors - Okay, this tag team MIGHT be in poor taste, but hear me out. Make Jamie Noble and Gregory Helms a heel tag team. Have them wear matching confederate flag tights. Now they wouldn't neccessarily be racist, per se, but rather "proud southerners". Given their strong accents and decent-sharp mic work, i think they would get over big time. Perhaps give them JBL as mouthpiece to get the point across. JBL would probably work better as a manger, anyway.

Kid Kash & Johnny Jeter - Let these guys be a heel tag team managed by Ken Kennedy until Kennedy can wrestle himself. Bring Johnny over from RAW (He's a part of the spirit squad). If anyone has seen Kennedy & Jeter's stuff in OVW, you know that they would have the chemistry to make this trio work.

Psicrazy - Super Crazy and Psicosis are quite over as a babyface tag team. Let them keep doing what they're already doing. Just get rid of those lawnmowers and the other gimmicky crap.

Jobber teams:

Vito & Nunzio.

The Gymni.

Scotty 2 Hotti & Funaki

Tataka & Animal

Now, the trickier of the two, RAW:

Carlito & Chavo Guerrero - This idea has been tossed around for a while now. Carlito looks to be on the verge of a face turn. I think Carlito could bring just about the same things Eddie brought out of Chavo in a tag team setting. Let them be babyfaces. Give Chavo something to do other then jobbing and paying homage to Eddie for once......

Matt Striker & Chris Masters - Your classic Brains and Brawn heel tag team. Lord knows Masters would benefit from being paired with a strong mic worker. Striker would fit that bill just well.

HBK & Shelton Benjamin - Shelton would not work as a heel. Just let HBK be his mentor of sorts in this babyface tag team. It would make for an interesting eventual interbrand showdown between HBK/Shelton and Angle/Charlie at WM.

Big Show & Kane - A lame team, but they'll have to do for the other heel tag team.

Jobber teams:

Goldust & Eugene.

V-squared.

Tomko & Snitsky.

Obviously, RAW would be the weaker of the two, but there isn't much you can do about that one. RAW needs more talent, plain and simple.

_Muta

Wow, a lot of good points there.