More Changes to be made to ECW?

Um, that's retarded.

 He thinks the fans are confused and don't realize that ECW is a part of the WWE and he says that's the reason for the low ratings. Also expect the product to be toned down a lot. Vince McMahon is not a fan of hardcore wrestling and he hated the RVD vs. Test match.

As if the product hasn't been toned down enough they are going to tone it down more. :roll: And those fans that are confused, are probably kids. And I could care less about what Vince likes. So far as I'm aware, he is the stupid poop-head.

Maybe some casual fans may not realize it, but it's quite obvious ECW is the same thing as the WWE. I don't think that's the reason for the low ratings. I think the many unestablished wrestlers in ECW(Kevin Thorn, Matt Striker, CM Punk, and even Sabu and Sandman to WWE fans) are to blame for the low ratings.

Are you kidding me!?!?! Whether this is your lil add-on or quoting Dunn, this is the stupidest comment ever. For shame.

#1 reason ratings are not as good as vince wants them to be: The simple fact that it already is a third brand.

Two more majour factors:

• The release of the "old" ECW players.
• Bringing in/back of the RAW & SmackDown rejects.

Vince wants ratings then give full control back to Paul and don't treat ECW as a third brand at all.

Of course that's all just my feelings and who knows how many people feel the same way.

So who exactly on ECW draws then?

i guarentee if he had debuted on SM or RAW hed be in the US/ intercontinentel title chases by now and would be very over, its the simple fact that the network isnt that good for wrestling, the one hour time slot and the toned down part. why would you even bother watchin old geezers like sandman and sabu etc. if its not an good ole ECW match.

Well, if any of this is true, I guess the whole point of ECW is to make what WWE did to term "Cruiserweight" not look so bad by comparison.

And if Vince hated RVD vs Test, I wonder what he thought about RVD vs Holly, because that match alone did more for Holly's career than anything Holly has done in his previous 10 or so years in WWE.

Also, if these reports are true, I always get a laugh out of stuff like Vince criticizing Joey Styles for his commentary or these guys for their wrestling, becaue I've seen McMahon do both.

All I know is that ECW is the only wrestling show on TV that I'll go out of my way to see and I really don't want to see that change.

wow comes to mind

how did vince go from smart to stupid in the past 6 years?

_Muta: It gets low ratings because it's a bad one hour show with nothing much to offer. Just CM Punk being poorly booked as a babyface martial artist, a bunch of filler, and Big Show as the champ. Yep.

Bad booking does not seem to have any kind of large effect on the likes of Raw and Smackdown (okay, Smackdown is questionable, however, Raw continues to have very solid rating despite the show's many problems). 

Anyhow, while questionable booking practices is probably playing small role in the rating, I personally think it has do more with the fact that a) ECW brand, and good amount of its workers, do not have anywhere near the credibility/establish-ability of Raw/Smackdown and b) Sci-Fi network is smaller network in comparison to the likes of USA and CW.

By the way, one thing I will agree with you is on the likes of CM Punk. While he indeed looks good in the ring (well, for jobber squashing; another problem), from my perspective, they simply seem to be ignoring his character, for the most part, and that is very thing that will 'sell' him to the casual wrestling fan market, not the wrestling.

Well I don't think he became stupid, but there's less pressure to consistantly put out a good product when you don't have a company like WCW trying to put you out of business.

 a) ECW brand, and good amount of its workers, do not have anywhere near the credibility/establish-ability of Raw/Smackdown "

Which ties in with booking/overall decision making.

As for RAW not taking a beating in the ratings due to bad booking, before most of the crap started, they were almost averaging on 4's. They've since gradually dipped into the mid lower 3's. Unlike Smackdown, RAW can't get away with the excuses of a weird time slot and no credible stars, because RAW has both an excellent time slot and decent starpower. Which leaves only one thing to blame.

Link256: Bad booking does not seem to have any kind of large effect on the likes of Raw and Smackdown (okay, Smackdown is questionable, however, Raw continues to have very solid rating despite the show's many problems). 

 a) ECW brand, and good amount of its workers, do not have anywhere near the credibility/establish-ability of Raw/Smackdown

_Muta: Which ties in with booking/overall decision making.

As for RAW not taking a beating in the ratings due to bad booking, before most of the crap started, they were almost averaging on 4's. They've since gradually dipped into the mid lower 3's. Unlike Smackdown, RAW can't get away with the excuses of a weird time slot and no credible stars, because RAW has both an excellent time slot and decent starpower. Which leaves only one thing to blame.

Okay, you have point about ECW...

However, in regards to Raw, again, while the bad booking indeed is playing role, its about same quality, more or less, it has been at for the past few months.

Anyhow, I would say that Monday Night Football, more than anything else, is clearly the reason for the drop in rating. Not saying that is excuse because if the booking were good it would probably still be 4.0 range (if not higher than that), however, you cannot debate the fact that Raw seems to have taken noticeable drop since the arrival of Monday Night Football on ESPN.

Well I don't think he became stupid, but there's less pressure to consistantly put out a good product when you don't have a company like WCW trying to put you out of business.

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and like anything if you the quality drops you go out of business i mean at the rate he is going hes going to make this company go under in another 10 years at the most

numerous reports ive heard indicate an unstable financial situation and the yearly firefest is proof of it and 8 ppvs a year averaging 200,000 buyers is just flat out sad they a truely on a verge of going out of business

this can be solved by a number of ways but like i said why is vince being stupid he made lots of money before and now hes changed what he does and isnt making near as much money....that says stupid. and the day TNA gets a 2 hour time slot at 8 or 9 is the day WWE better be worried.

though yes what was the point of reviving ecw if your going to not have hardcore matches every match? really WHO thought that was a good idea.