My rant on wrestling games
That was then and this is now .
Now is the year 2005 which has games that are better than the crap era of 2001 which included the worst wrestling games of this gen ( SD : JBI , Wresmania X8, WWF Raw ) and there's a big differance but not big enough. THose games i just mentioned wre horrible. Just horrible. SD : JBI was a bonified button masher and that sucked. Wrestlemania X8 managed to somehow make chris beniot not look like chris beniot and had cheap gameplay and bad graphics. WWF Raw...well i can't explain you go pick it up and play for yourself :cry: . SD : SYM was a great advance in wrestling games. SD HCTP is IMO the greatest of this gen and i can list reasons why:
1) A spectacular CAW mode
2) 2 button blocking system which makes it possible to block
3) A good season mode
4) Great roster
4) fantastic gameplay mechanics
Some people think that roster makes a game better but i dissagree...why compare a game with a 2003 roster to a game with a 2004 roster? i don't. Raw 2 had bad gameplay and ect and it wasn't a big step up from WWF Raw. Wrestlemania 19 was good but the storymode crapped all over the rest of the game..Now here comes smackdown vs raw. Which was a big step down from SD HCTP. And there is a reason...like i said this year was a transition year. They had a bad online mode with lg inwhich you had limited arenas and no CAWs and 2 matches..bra and panty and regular. ( i'll get to bra and panty later ) The voiceovers in SD vs Raw were just waht i said..voiceovers...they sounded like they were being read right off of a sheet of paper in a warehouse somewhere and the blocking system got worse. They added useless things like spankings and shop batels when they could have done so many things better. Wrestlemania 21 was a joke and i think studio gigante knows they could do better however this was them trying wrestling games. DOR was a big step up from wrestlemania . It ha dbetter graphics. Better gameplay, but the season was very linear...oh screw it...linear..period. You only got to choose wether you went to smackdown or raw ect. That's today but what i'm looking at is....
The Future
The future looks bright and dim at the same time. First off we need to understand what we want. We really can't have everything we want until the next batch of systems but this is now. Sure you can have a big full roster with current wrestlers but what about gameplay? Sure you can have some of the most entertaining gimick matches from years ago like casket match and inferno match but what about season. You have to ask them to update the basics and then ask for new stuff. Like how online is a basic now. You can't just go asking for new match types and forget about the horrible online..and even with that you can't just go asking for an awesome online and then forget about gameplay, graphics, season, CAW mode. And even if we have all the most imaginative matches ever...if it's not fun then what's the point?
And now i'll get to THQ......Toy Head Quarters needs to stop BSing us and give a good game so good that we won't need to buy a new one. there are japanese games that have great gameplay and great matches and things like that AND have the ability to add charecters and get new charecters. THQ should add those features but the sad thing is they won't.. because they know that if they did there would be no need to buy a new game and that's what they want us to do...BUY BUY BUY SPEND SPEND SPEND. i mean we all know this. If there was a wrestling game that in your opinion was the best would you buy a new one? Hell no. Atleast i wouldn't...and there's another thing i hate ...
Gimmick Crap
You all know what gimmick crap is right? Think bra and panties...that's gimmick crap. Think the street fight thing..that's not as bad as bra and panties but it's just a hardcore match with cars that you smash your oponent on. 1 thing we need to do is get rid of the divas completely. THere are only a few that can wrestle and the ones that can wrestle end up jobbing to the latest diva search crap. Bra and panties is the worst match ever...it sucks bad. How many times have you even seen a BaP match lately huh? i haven't. I'm tired of them shoving BaP down our throats like it's one of the best damned features in the game. It's not fun and it labels all wrestling gamers 13 yr old and under perverts who want to see digital boobs to get off and that SUCKS . It's seems like all american feds see wemon not as wrestlers but as a peice of ass. another thing i want to get to is .......
Triple H is not the best wrestler ever
Yup..i said it. * looks out for Trips to pummel me with a sledge hammer* good...the coast is clear. Anyways....He isn't ...and i'm tired of damned wrestling games making him that. There are people that are better than trips in WWE..alot...it's just that WWE has to make trips the best...that's all... Another thing THQ should stop doing is.....
Stop ripping off AKI
I'm tired of it...i'm damned tired of it...i hate when people say that a game has the elements of games that we love made by the AKI team just to get us to buy it .I remember i played Def Jam vendetta and i felt right at home besides the fact that it's rappers werstling.....:roll: If they wantd Aki they would buy it either that or make a better one. YUkes is doing Gamecube and SD which is bad because Yukes is good at the smackdown engine not copying the old AKI engine . It should go like this ..Xbox should have studio G ...PS2 should have yukes and GC should have AKI and it should be like that fore systems to come . I mean all people compare games to now is no mercy...that in their minds is The Best wrestling game ever...no mercy, no mercy, NO MERCY! . Stop copying and actually get them...that's what the fans want...
but yeah ...i'm going to go back to playing my pirat---- i mean N64 version of Virtual Pro Wrestling...
thoughts?
Personally, I am glad that Yuke's is making Game Cube wrestling game now, instead of AKI (Thank-God).
AKI gameplay system is dated, way-too slow and the games they made for the N64 looked dated (even for the time) and the music was half-done (even for the time).
Yukes makes much better graphics, sound, gameplay and does about everyting better as far as gameplay, graphics and sound goes.
I would be royally mad if AKI started to make WWE wrestling games again, their engine is too slow and feels really dated.
Personally, I am glad that Yuke's is making Game Cube wrestling game now, instead of AKI (Thank-God).
AKI gameplay system is dated, way-too slow and the games they made for the N64 looked dated (even for the time) and the music was half-done (even for the time).
Yukes makes much better graphics, sound, gameplay and does about everyting better as far as gameplay, graphics and sound goes.
I would be royally mad if AKI started to make WWE wrestling games again, their engine is too slow and feels really dated.
Link256
Obviously you wouldn't like firepro which is arguably the greatest wrestling franchise ever. Firepro has 2D graphics however it is fast pased like you said. the sound is ok....And it has a fake american wrestling league like NWA TNA ....would you buy it? Anyways...
I do think the Yukes system is better than the AKI system...however the fans want AKI..they always compare games to no mercy....i mean no mercy's strongpoint wasn't it's gameplay. And the AKI system on the new game systems won't work well. i think the DoR system is just fine...however people are starting to hate the whole idea of the Special MOde because that is dated and is another ripoff of AKI which is a dated system...oh and IMHO each gameplay engine can get dated if you don't update it every year.
[QUOTE="Link256"]Personally, I am glad that Yuke's is making Game Cube wrestling game now, instead of AKI (Thank-God).
AKI gameplay system is dated, way-too slow and the games they made for the N64 looked dated (even for the time) and the music was half-done (even for the time).
Yukes makes much better graphics, sound, gameplay and does about everyting better as far as gameplay, graphics and sound goes.
I would be royally mad if AKI started to make WWE wrestling games again, their engine is too slow and feels really dated.
SwimPUNK
Obviously you wouldn't like firepro which is arguably the greatest wrestling franchise ever. Firepro has 2D graphics however it is fast pased like you said. the sound is ok....And it has a fake american wrestling league like NWA TNA ....would you buy it? Anyways...
I do think the Yukes system is better than the AKI system...however the fans want AKI..they always compare games to no mercy....i mean no mercy's strongpoint wasn't it's gameplay. And the AKI system on the new game systems won't work well. i think the DoR system is just fine...however people are starting to hate the whole idea of the Special MOde because that is dated and is another ripoff of AKI which is a dated system...oh and IMHO each gameplay engine can get dated if you don't update it every year.
I agree with you, but the Aki gameplay has not changed much sense 1998, while Yuke's seems to change over the years (at least enough to keep it fresh for my enjoyment IMO). Also, I just simply prefer the fast paced Yuke's gameplay, over the AKI slow gameplay (that is why the AKI gameplay feels so much more dated than the Yuke's gameplay). The fans may demand No mecry 2, but I do not. When I compared newer wresling games now, I am thinking of games such as Warzone, WM 19, Attitiude and the DOR, not those AKI N64 games.
If people want No Mercy 2, they should go play No Mercy or some the Def Jam game IMO and quit bashing the Yuke's gameplay. Yuke's IMO, makes greats games with awesome graphics, sound and gameplay! Yes, the Yuke's games are not perfect, but neither was No Mercy (not even close).
I probably would not like Fire pro wrestling, I usually want to play as wrestlers that I know and love.
[QUOTE="SwimPUNK"][QUOTE="Link256"]Personally, I am glad that Yuke's is making Game Cube wrestling game now, instead of AKI (Thank-God).
AKI gameplay system is dated, way-too slow and the games they made for the N64 looked dated (even for the time) and the music was half-done (even for the time).
Yukes makes much better graphics, sound, gameplay and does about everyting better as far as gameplay, graphics and sound goes.
I would be royally mad if AKI started to make WWE wrestling games again, their engine is too slow and feels really dated.
Link256
Obviously you wouldn't like firepro which is arguably the greatest wrestling franchise ever. Firepro has 2D graphics however it is fast pased like you said. the sound is ok....And it has a fake american wrestling league like NWA TNA ....would you buy it? Anyways...
I do think the Yukes system is better than the AKI system...however the fans want AKI..they always compare games to no mercy....i mean no mercy's strongpoint wasn't it's gameplay. And the AKI system on the new game systems won't work well. i think the DoR system is just fine...however people are starting to hate the whole idea of the Special MOde because that is dated and is another ripoff of AKI which is a dated system...oh and IMHO each gameplay engine can get dated if you don't update it every year.
I agree with you, but the Aki gameplay has not changed much sense 1998, while Yuke's seems to change over the years (at least enough to keep it fresh for my enjoyment IMO). Also, I just simply prefer the fast paced Yuke's gameplay, over the AKI slow gameplay (that is why the AKI gameplay feels so much more dated than the Yuke's gameplay). The fans may demand No mecry 2, but I do not. When I compared newer wresling games now, I am thinking of games such as Warzone, WM 19, Attitiude and the DOR, not those AKI N64 games.
If people want No Mercy 2, they should go play No Mercy or some the Def Jam game IMO and quit bashing the Yuke's gameplay. Yuke's IMO, makes greats games with awesome graphics, sound and gameplay! Yes, the Yuke's games are not perfect, but neither was No Mercy (not even close).
I probably would not like Fire pro wrestling, I usually want to play as wrestlers that I know and love.
i like playing with late 90s wrestlers therefore i have to subcumb to the AKI system....i mean what happened to no mercy Wrestlmania 200 let you actually go through a whole entrance except when you're in a cage match. And even in cage you could bring someone with you but no in no mercy......maybe i'm wrong because i have a special 0 build of wrestlemania 2000 ;)
[QUOTE="Link256"][QUOTE="SwimPUNK"][QUOTE="Link256"]Personally, I am glad that Yuke's is making Game Cube wrestling game now, instead of AKI (Thank-God).
AKI gameplay system is dated, way-too slow and the games they made for the N64 looked dated (even for the time) and the music was half-done (even for the time).
Yukes makes much better graphics, sound, gameplay and does about everyting better as far as gameplay, graphics and sound goes.
I would be royally mad if AKI started to make WWE wrestling games again, their engine is too slow and feels really dated.
SwimPUNK
Obviously you wouldn't like firepro which is arguably the greatest wrestling franchise ever. Firepro has 2D graphics however it is fast pased like you said. the sound is ok....And it has a fake american wrestling league like NWA TNA ....would you buy it? Anyways...
I do think the Yukes system is better than the AKI system...however the fans want AKI..they always compare games to no mercy....i mean no mercy's strongpoint wasn't it's gameplay. And the AKI system on the new game systems won't work well. i think the DoR system is just fine...however people are starting to hate the whole idea of the Special MOde because that is dated and is another ripoff of AKI which is a dated system...oh and IMHO each gameplay engine can get dated if you don't update it every year.
I agree with you, but the Aki gameplay has not changed much sense 1998, while Yuke's seems to change over the years (at least enough to keep it fresh for my enjoyment IMO). Also, I just simply prefer the fast paced Yuke's gameplay, over the AKI slow gameplay (that is why the AKI gameplay feels so much more dated than the Yuke's gameplay). The fans may demand No mecry 2, but I do not. When I compared newer wresling games now, I am thinking of games such as Warzone, WM 19, Attitiude and the DOR, not those AKI N64 games.
If people want No Mercy 2, they should go play No Mercy or some the Def Jam game IMO and quit bashing the Yuke's gameplay. Yuke's IMO, makes greats games with awesome graphics, sound and gameplay! Yes, the Yuke's games are not perfect, but neither was No Mercy (not even close).
I probably would not like Fire pro wrestling, I usually want to play as wrestlers that I know and love.
i like playing with late 90s wrestlers therefore i have to subcumb to the AKI system....i mean what happened to no mercy Wrestlmania 200 let you actually go through a whole entrance except when you're in a cage match. And even in cage you could bring someone with you but no in no mercy......maybe i'm wrong because i have a special 0 build of wrestlemania 2000 ;)
Are you trying to say you like Wrestlemania 2000 more than No Mercy? I can see why, I also for some reason like WM2000 more than NM. I do not know what is was, but it seem that the game was way more fun to play, the gameplay did not feel as slow, like the roster more in WM2000 and the gameplay just simply felt more fresh in WM2000.
I will give this to WM2000, it was my favorite AKI N64 game and I had a lot of fun with it!
[QUOTE="Link256"][QUOTE="SwimPUNK"][QUOTE="Link256"]Personally, I am glad that Yuke's is making Game Cube wrestling game now, instead of AKI (Thank-God).
AKI gameplay system is dated, way-too slow and the games they made for the N64 looked dated (even for the time) and the music was half-done (even for the time).
Yukes makes much better graphics, sound, gameplay and does about everyting better as far as gameplay, graphics and sound goes.
I would be royally mad if AKI started to make WWE wrestling games again, their engine is too slow and feels really dated.
SwimPUNK
Obviously you wouldn't like firepro which is arguably the greatest wrestling franchise ever. Firepro has 2D graphics however it is fast pased like you said. the sound is ok....And it has a fake american wrestling league like NWA TNA ....would you buy it? Anyways...
I do think the Yukes system is better than the AKI system...however the fans want AKI..they always compare games to no mercy....i mean no mercy's strongpoint wasn't it's gameplay. And the AKI system on the new game systems won't work well. i think the DoR system is just fine...however people are starting to hate the whole idea of the Special MOde because that is dated and is another ripoff of AKI which is a dated system...oh and IMHO each gameplay engine can get dated if you don't update it every year.
I agree with you, but the Aki gameplay has not changed much sense 1998, while Yuke's seems to change over the years (at least enough to keep it fresh for my enjoyment IMO). Also, I just simply prefer the fast paced Yuke's gameplay, over the AKI slow gameplay (that is why the AKI gameplay feels so much more dated than the Yuke's gameplay). The fans may demand No mecry 2, but I do not. When I compared newer wresling games now, I am thinking of games such as Warzone, WM 19, Attitiude and the DOR, not those AKI N64 games.
If people want No Mercy 2, they should go play No Mercy or some the Def Jam game IMO and quit bashing the Yuke's gameplay. Yuke's IMO, makes greats games with awesome graphics, sound and gameplay! Yes, the Yuke's games are not perfect, but neither was No Mercy (not even close).
I probably would not like Fire pro wrestling, I usually want to play as wrestlers that I know and love.
i like playing with late 90s wrestlers therefore i have to subcumb to the AKI system....i mean what happened to no mercy Wrestlmania 200 let you actually go through a whole entrance except when you're in a cage match. And even in cage you could bring someone with you but no in no mercy......maybe i'm wrong because i have a special 0 build of wrestlemania 2000 ;)
Why didn't you play Warzone or Attitude than?
I dislike the SD series with a passion. The gameplay is way too arcadey, you can't break up moves besides submissions and pins, and the CAW is terrible. I enjoyed the RAW 2 for the CAW and CAE, and I liked the open ended season mode. And about DOR's Story mode being linear. I only play season/story/career mode one time, no matter how open ended it is. I played through HCTP, RAW 2, SVR, and DOR season/story/career mode once. It gets boring after that. After the season/career/story mode is complete, I do exhibition matches until the next one comes out
Kitanya
THQ actually does something smart by making the Xbox games sims the PS2 games arcadey and GC games in the middle. yeah we need a really good storymode...no mercy isn't linear but the storymode is too hard. there should be NO match that you have to do or you lose the whole game.
Are you trying to say you like Wrestlemania 2000 more than No Mercy? I can see why, I also for some reason like WM2000 more than NM. I do not know what is was, but it seem that the game was way more fun to play, the gameplay did not feel as slow, like the roster more in WM2000 and the gameplay just simply felt more fresh in WM2000.
I will give this to WM2000, it was my favorite AKI N64 game and I had a lot of fun with it!
Link256
it seemed like no mercy was a step backwards i mean they're like 2 completely different games it seems. WM 2000 to me it seems like it has more people than NM and plus the people don't just walk up and taunt and it's the end in entrances...they go to the ring and do the entire thng...this was in WM 2000 and even in WCW NWO revenge so i don't get why it's not in NM...
agreedWord. SYM for PS2 owns. One of my top 3 games overall. DOR2 is looking great too. I can't wait for SvR2. It's gonna be great! :D
hbk91
[QUOTE="Link256"]Are you trying to say you like Wrestlemania 2000 more than No Mercy? I can see why, I also for some reason like WM2000 more than NM. I do not know what is was, but it seem that the game was way more fun to play, the gameplay did not feel as slow, like the roster more in WM2000 and the gameplay just simply felt more fresh in WM2000.
I will give this to WM2000, it was my favorite AKI N64 game and I had a lot of fun with it!
SwimPUNK
it seemed like no mercy was a step backwards i mean they're like 2 completely different games it seems. WM 2000 to me it seems like it has more people than NM and plus the people don't just walk up and taunt and it's the end in entrances...they go to the ring and do the entire thng...this was in WM 2000 and even in WCW NWO revenge so i don't get why it's not in NM...
I agree 100%, one person like me, who actually does not love No Mercy like everyone else does (I still do not see why No Mercy is so great, I have heard why, but still I do not get why).
IMHO, No Mercy is the most overrated wrestling game in history, is was a step backwards for wrestling game in general IMHO. Sure, it was okay, but I mostly only played to get my wrestling fix on.
[QUOTE="hbk91"]agreedWord. SYM for PS2 owns. One of my top 3 games overall. DOR2 is looking great too. I can't wait for SvR2. It's gonna be great! :D
superman2412
also agrees. but i would like to see just a better story. cuz i play season all year until the next one and they really need alot more storylines.
[QUOTE="SwimPUNK"][QUOTE="Link256"]Are you trying to say you like Wrestlemania 2000 more than No Mercy? I can see why, I also for some reason like WM2000 more than NM. I do not know what is was, but it seem that the game was way more fun to play, the gameplay did not feel as slow, like the roster more in WM2000 and the gameplay just simply felt more fresh in WM2000.
I will give this to WM2000, it was my favorite AKI N64 game and I had a lot of fun with it!
Link256
it seemed like no mercy was a step backwards i mean they're like 2 completely different games it seems. WM 2000 to me it seems like it has more people than NM and plus the people don't just walk up and taunt and it's the end in entrances...they go to the ring and do the entire thng...this was in WM 2000 and even in WCW NWO revenge so i don't get why it's not in NM...
I agree 100%, one person like me, who actually does not love No Mercy like everyone else does (I still do not see why No Mercy is so great, I have heard why, but still I do not get why).
IMHO, No Mercy is the most overrated wrestling game in history, is was a step backwards for wrestling game in general IMHO. Sure, it was okay, but I mostly only played to get my wrestling fix on.
I disagree with your opinion on No Mercy, but it's your opinion. I personally still think No Mercy is the greatest wrestling game ever. I enjoy the slow No Mercy gameplay. Gameplay was the best part of the game. I never watch entrances much anyways, so who cares if they skip the entrance after the ramp part? Sure the graphics and sound wasn't even that good back in that time, but I can still play the game today and enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I play the Smackdown! games. I enjoy them, just not as much as No Mercy. Once again, just my opinion.
I disagree with your opinion on No Mercy, but it's your opinion. I personally still think No Mercy is the greatest wrestling game ever. I enjoy the slow No Mercy gameplay. Gameplay was the best part of the game. I never watch entrances much anyways, so who cares if they skip the entrance after the ramp part? Sure the graphics and sound wasn't even that good back in that time, but I can still play the game today and enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I play the Smackdown! games. I enjoy them, just not as much as No Mercy. Once again, just my opinion.
Newtype-X
i'm still tired of people saying that...It's so damned cliched now. Everyone says no mercy is the best wrestling game ever...some who probably haven't even played it.i mean come on...it's time to move on. . If DOR 2 or SVR2 is better than no mercy none of you would admit it ...they're afraid that they would get flamed for there opinion. All 1 game needs in a nono linear storymode and it would be better than no mercy....
I gotta agree with your thoughts on HCTP. Essentially, it's the No Mercy of this generation. While SvR was a bit of a let down, it did do somethings right (i.e the Manager controls, Ring-Out meters, had an excellent legends list with one or two bad choices). SvR2 is going to change all that, and if they make it more like HCTP, with the great parts of SvR, you're gonna have one hell of a game.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention WWF Attitude. In my view, WWF Attitude had the match atmosphere down perfectly. No music, just some excellent commentary, excellent quotes from the wrestlers (done by them as well), the crowd going behind whoevers kicking ass at the moment, and even a little WWF logo in the corner of the screen.
I gotta agree with your thoughts on HCTP. Essentially, it's the No Mercy of this generation. While SvR was a bit of a let down, it did do somethings right (i.e the Manager controls, Ring-Out meters, had an excellent legends list with one or two bad choices). SvR2 is going to change all that, and if they make it more like HCTP, with the great parts of SvR, you're gonna have one hell of a game.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention WWF Attitude. In my view, WWF Attitude had the match atmosphere down perfectly. No music, just some excellent commentary, excellent quotes from the wrestlers (done by them as well), the crowd going behind whoevers kicking ass at the moment, and even a little WWF logo in the corner of the screen.
yeah i played that....like i said...there's always a process of wrestling games. Warzone was the advancedment of wrestling games period....like the first WWF 35 game. Attitude added different match types and more people. WM 2000 added basically the AKI engine to attitude but more charecters and the graphics ruled. Oh and before that was WCW NWO revenge which was good too...besides the fact that there was no CAW mode, the storymode was just matches and there was no custom entrance music. WM 2000 storymode i can't even talk about because i haen't got to that.
smackdown serious. Smackdown 1 was the first exclusive WWF game on PS1...then smackdown 2 came along with all these types of matches...HIAC , i think there were alot of other matches too ...Best WWF game on PS1....No mercy comes around and everyone loves it...a vast storymode that was hard becuase there were matches that you had to beat...if no mercy didn't have tha tit'd be my favorite.
Next batch of WWF/E games sucked...bad...that's why we all forget about them. It started wwf/e games on the xb, gc, and ps2. They were bad. SYM comes around and changes everything and makes PS2 the prime choice for wrestling gamers . New batch of games , 2 sucked, 1 gem. HCTP. Great game, great graphics...great everything. Raw 2 sucked and WM XIX had a storymode that ruined the entire lackluster game.
Next batch. Last year. SvR.....the great hype bringer ..was bad. BUt they debuted some things like a sucky online , a create a belt mode...ect. The game has flaws. Ironically...while the SD series steps down the GC series gets up in what is called DoR....it basiacally brought GC into the running with PS2 games..better graphics and a real storyline ..it wa linear but it was the first so hey...the new wreslemania XXI was like i said...a joke...i hope they understand that. SDvR 2 will be good but SDvR 3 will be a gem. Same for DoR and it's cult follers....Xbox is looking dim however.
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