Reason For Vince Being So Upset Last Night & Smackdown!

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Written by Keith Wilcutt on 07/25/2005

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-One of the main reason's that Vince McMahon was so upset last night had to deal with Batista's work in the main event against JBL. Vince & WWE have had really high hopes that Batista would be able to carry the title and continue to draw fans, but they are now concerned about his in ring work. Batista's rough in-ring work didn't show up as much in his series of matches against Triple H, because Triple H was able to carry him so well, but last night it was obvious that Batista was having problems in his match with JBL.

-There are rumors that are circulating that due to the fact that there is so much uncertainity with UPN and the WWE that after their current contract runs out with UPN, the entire Smackdown! brand could be wiped away. Of course, there is still alot of time between now and the end of that contract, but there are definitely whispers of what could happen after the contract does run out.

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

The_Dude14

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

The_Dude14

I agree with you 100%.

As I said on the main page: No kidding, JBL is not exactly great in the ring either. Unlike JBL, Batista can be great in ring, if he is paired with the right guy and not paired with crap IMHO, such as JBL.

Dear God, I hope we do not see another JBL year long reign as Champion, I do not think I can haddle that again.

Vince needs to get his head out of JBL's butt and realize that JBL is not an main-event, as far as ring skills go, not even close. JBL is a Mid-Card, living in a Hi-Cards world IMHO. JBL may be good on the mic, but his in-ring skills are way average and he brings down anyone who wrestles him IMHO. As I said, Batista can be great, providing he had the right opponent and he is not wrestling crap, such as JBL.

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

The_Dude14

You know what I want to see, this man to make a return and give JBL some what for.

I am going to have to disagree with everyone. Although JBL may be anoying he did help carry Smackdown for one year. Do'nt get me wrong I hate JBL, but I just have to see Batista's reign end quick. I can't stand Batista acting and wrestling anymore. Does anyone agree.realdeal316

I am going to have to disagree with everyone. Although JBL may be anoying he did help carry Smackdown for one year. Do'nt get me wrong I hate JBL, but I just have to see Batista's reign end quick. I can't stand Batista acting and wrestling anymore. Does anyone agree.realdeal316

I am going to have to disagree with everyone. Although JBL may be anoying he did help carry Smackdown for one year. Do'nt get me wrong I hate JBL, but I just have to see Batista's reign end quick. I can't stand Batista acting and wrestling anymore. Does anyone agree.realdeal316

If anything, JBL did more harm than good. Besides, you are giving JBL way too much credit, it is not like JBL help make the rating, buy-rates for PPV's and overall SmackDown product any better. Many people have expressed how JBL was an horrible champion, how SmackDown was lame with him being the Champion and how his wrestling skills are not even close to beign an main eventer. What good how JBL done? I mean, he has done barely any good and he helped carry SmackDown to the dirt if anything.

*Looks around to see*

Umm.....nope, it does not look like anyone agrees with you. Batista is the man!

[QUOTE="realdeal316"]I am going to have to disagree with everyone. Although JBL may be anoying he did help carry Smackdown for one year. Do'nt get me wrong I hate JBL, but I just have to see Batista's reign end quick. I can't stand Batista acting and wrestling anymore. Does anyone agree.Link256

If anything, JBL did more harm than good. Besides, you are giving JBL way too much credit, it is not like JBL help make the rating, buy-rates for PPV's and overall SmackDown product any better. Many people have expressed how JBL was an horrible champion, how SmackDown was lame with him being the Champion and how his wrestling skills are not even close to beign an main eventer. What good how JBL done? I mean, he has done barely any good and he helped carry SmackDown to the dirt if anything.

*Looks around to see*

Umm.....nope, it does not look like anyone agrees with you. Batista is the man!

It was john cena and Kurt who carried smackdownKotenks

It was john cena and Kurt who carried smackdownKotenks

Also, I think The Undertaker should be on that list too. He has always been one of the biggest SmackDown Superstars, sense 2002.

[QUOTE="Kotenks"]It was john cena and Kurt who carried smackdownLink256

Also, I think The Undertaker should be on that list too. He has always been one of the biggest SmackDown Superstars, sense 2002.

I agree *Start preparing for hate mail*:)

[QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="realdeal316"]I am going to have to disagree with everyone. Although JBL may be anoying he did help carry Smackdown for one year. Do'nt get me wrong I hate JBL, but I just have to see Batista's reign end quick. I can't stand Batista acting and wrestling anymore. Does anyone agree.Shadows_Fury

If anything, JBL did more harm than good. Besides, you are giving JBL way too much credit, it is not like JBL help make the rating, buy-rates for PPV's and overall SmackDown product any better. Many people have expressed how JBL was an horrible champion, how SmackDown was lame with him being the Champion and how his wrestling skills are not even close to beign an main eventer. What good how JBL done? I mean, he has done barely any good and he helped carry SmackDown to the dirt if anything.

*Looks around to see*

Umm.....nope, it does not look like anyone agrees with you. Batista is the man!

Maybe next year. Need sombody destroyed send him to the Taker.

[QUOTE="The_Dude14"]

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

Link256

I agree with you 100%.

As I said on the main page: No kidding, JBL is not exactly great in the ring either. Unlike JBL, Batista can be great in ring, if he is paired with the right guy and not paired with crap IMHO, such as JBL.

Dear God, I hope we do not see another JBL year long reign as Champion, I do not think I can haddle that again.

Vince needs to get his head out of JBL's butt and realize that JBL is not an main-event, as far as ring skills go, not even close. JBL is a Mid-Card, living in a Hi-Cards world IMHO. JBL may be good on the mic, but his in-ring skills are way average and he brings down anyone who wrestles him IMHO. As I said, Batista can be great, providing he had the right opponent and he is not wrestling crap, such as JBL.

I really doubt we'll see JBL's one year reign, especially with the rumors of Brock Lesnar returning (Batista vs Brock, not bad, not bad). As for Batista, anyone can look good if you put him with great opponent (for example, Benoit). If you are great you should look great despite who your opponent is and don't depend on your opponent (like HHH carring Batista).

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

The_Dude14

Oh dear god................................

*Faints*

[QUOTE="Link256"][QUOTE="The_Dude14"]

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

GVETA

I agree with you 100%.

As I said on the main page: No kidding, JBL is not exactly great in the ring either. Unlike JBL, Batista can be great in ring, if he is paired with the right guy and not paired with crap IMHO, such as JBL.

Dear God, I hope we do not see another JBL year long reign as Champion, I do not think I can haddle that again.

Vince needs to get his head out of JBL's butt and realize that JBL is not an main-event, as far as ring skills go, not even close. JBL is a Mid-Card, living in a Hi-Cards world IMHO. JBL may be good on the mic, but his in-ring skills are way average and he brings down anyone who wrestles him IMHO. As I said, Batista can be great, providing he had the right opponent and he is not wrestling crap, such as JBL.

I really doubt we'll see JBL's one year reign, especially with the rumors of Brock Lesnar returning (Batista vs Brock, not bad, not bad). As for Batista, anyone can look good if you put him with great opponent (for example, Benoit). If you are great you should look great despite who your opponent is and don't depend on your opponent (like HHH carring Batista).

I disagree, not just anyone can look great if they are given the right opponent IMHO. You have to admit, out of JBL and Batista, JBL has the weaker wrestling skills. Besides, I have seen Batista look good in match before (I am not only talking about him facing Triple H), while I am still waiting for JBL to look good in a match.

[QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Link256"][QUOTE="The_Dude14"]

As I said on the main page, I think Vince is blaming the wrong guy. Batista was not wrestling himself out their, maybe you should look at Dave's opponent as the source of the problems, Vince. Batista is the hottest star in the company, right now. If you judge him by a match with JBL, you are farther gone than I ever imagined

Put Batista against a better opponent and you'll get a better match, Vince. Its that simple.

Sadly, I sense another year of JBL around the corner.

Link256

I agree with you 100%.

As I said on the main page: No kidding, JBL is not exactly great in the ring either. Unlike JBL, Batista can be great in ring, if he is paired with the right guy and not paired with crap IMHO, such as JBL.

Dear God, I hope we do not see another JBL year long reign as Champion, I do not think I can haddle that again.

Vince needs to get his head out of JBL's butt and realize that JBL is not an main-event, as far as ring skills go, not even close. JBL is a Mid-Card, living in a Hi-Cards world IMHO. JBL may be good on the mic, but his in-ring skills are way average and he brings down anyone who wrestles him IMHO. As I said, Batista can be great, providing he had the right opponent and he is not wrestling crap, such as JBL.

I really doubt we'll see JBL's one year reign, especially with the rumors of Brock Lesnar returning (Batista vs Brock, not bad, not bad). As for Batista, anyone can look good if you put him with great opponent (for example, Benoit). If you are great you should look great despite who your opponent is and don't depend on your opponent (like HHH carring Batista).

I disagree, not just anyone can look great if they are given the right opponent IMHO. You have to admit, out of JBL and Batista, JBL has the weaker wrestling skills. Besides, I have seen Batista look good in match before (I am not only talking about him facing Triple H), while I am still waiting for JBL to look good in a match.

Yeah, you've got point there

Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Dark_Hylian8

6 man Hell in a Cell is a good idea, especially with the Taker involved (he always ads extra spice to the Cell). Only question is whom will the Deadman throw of the top this time?

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.GVETA

6 man Hell in a Cell is a good idea, especially with the Taker involved (he always ads extra spice to the Cell). Only question is whom will the Deadman throw of the top this time?

either JBL or the legend with kill the legend killer

Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Dark_Hylian8

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Link256

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Link256

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

ok last night Vince was ticked off because Batista cant wrestle JBL, because the match was terrible. That pretty much says that Batista/JBL is no good to me, so until Batista loses the title, JBL wont get a one on one title shot, cuz its flat out boring and not worth watching. Ratings go down. Vince knows this. He expected the match between JBL and Batista to be a Batista/HHH fight, cuz the matches between HHH and Batista were always great to watch, and he hyped up the JBL/Batista match at the GAB to be the "Showdown" and it sucked. Now that everyone saw that it sucked, no one wants to see it again. I think fans enjoy seeing JBL on Smackdown!, not because they like him, i mean who does? They enjoy seeing him ther cuz they enjoy watching him get his butt kicked. Thats me, but if JBL became a mid-card like he should have, no one would see him get the beating he gets as a high-card. People may enjoy it, but i personally believe JBL should lose his title as top Heel and Brock will take it over, but then JBL will be screaming this is my show, i run things around here, an F5, and then Brock VS JBL. I doubt this makes any sense.

[QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.GVETA

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

It is true that love to hate heels are the best to have, but the only one the WWE has that i can think of is Kurt Angle.

[QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Dark_Hylian8

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

It is true that love to hate heels are the best to have, but the only one the WWE has that i can think of is Kurt Angle.

Hassan was love-to-hate heel IMHO, but he got "killed."

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"][QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Link256

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

It is true that love to hate heels are the best to have, but the only one the WWE has that i can think of is Kurt Angle.

Hassan was love-to-hate heel IMHO, but he got "killed."

i dont think so, to me he was, but ALOT of people hated him. Thats why he complained of the prejuduce remarks and everything. He was annoying to alot of people.

[QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Dark_Hylian8

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

It is true that love to hate heels are the best to have, but the only one the WWE has that i can think of is Kurt Angle.

What about HBK?

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"][QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.GVETA

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

It is true that love to hate heels are the best to have, but the only one the WWE has that i can think of is Kurt Angle.

What about HBK?

That is not love-to-hate, that is more of mixed reaction than anything. Love-to-hate is more like The Rock, Hollywood Hogan, Carlito and Trish IMHO.

[QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"][QUOTE="GVETA"][QUOTE="Link256"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]Everyone has their different views on JBL and Batista and who keeps Smackdowns ratings up, but i think every superstar that gets the slightest reaction from the crowd keeps Smackdowns ratings up. JBL may have mcjobbed to Batista because JBL couldn't compete with Batista's in ring ability, and JBL may be annoying as hell, doing the same thing all the time, labeling himself the Wrestling God, but if Smackdown! lost JBL to Raw, Smackdown! would be destroyed. Batista can not hold a show together by himself. The remaining "super" superstars of Smackdown! (The Undertaker, Randy Orton, Chris Benoit) cannot hold Smackdown! Smackdown! is dead without JBL, who has no more feuds in the singles department, since he has wrestled everyone who deserves a title shot. The only way for Smackdown! to survive in my eyes is for Batista VS Chris Benoit VS Brock Lesnar VS Randy Orton VS The Undertaker VS JBL(or Eddie Guerrero or Rey Rey) in a 6 way HIAC for the World Heavy Weight Title and either Chris Benoit or Undertaker or Brock Lesnar wins it at Summerslam to salvage Smackdown! Brock Lesnar will save Smackdown! My point in all this is until Brock Lesnar comes to Smackdown!, JBL will keep Smackdown! alive.Link256

I completely and 100% disagree with that. So SmackDown would die without JBL and why is that? Because he is the top heel on SmackDown. If JBL left (that would be a great day), WWE would simply make Undertaker heel, make damn sure Brock came back as Top heel or find someone else to replace JBL as top heel on SmackDown. Trust me, SmackDown was doing just fine before the days of JBL and would do just fine after the days JBL. If SmackDown every dies, it will not be because JBL leaving.

By the way, if anyone is doing more good for SmackDown and WWE, it is easily Batista. Look at Batista fan reaction, the fans have been cheering like that since the days of Austin and The Rock. While most WWE fans hate JBL and I mean hate-hate, not love-to-hate. By the way, you want love-to-hate and you do not want hate-hate heel.

Yes, It's better to have love-hate heels (Austin, Rock), because if you decide to turn them face crowd will cheer for them even more. You can't turn hate-hate heel into face and make people cheer for him that easily, however you must agree that hate-hate heels still make people tune in next week just to see them getting their asses kicked big time.

It is true that love to hate heels are the best to have, but the only one the WWE has that i can think of is Kurt Angle.

What about HBK?

That is not love-to-hate, that is more of mixed reaction than anything. Love-to-hate is more like The Rock, Hollywood Hogan, Carlito and Trish IMHO.

i dunno about Trish, shes just a b**** but yeah i agree with everything else

No more quoting of that pyramid. I hate having to scroll long amounts down the pagedRehkJY

I cannot speak for everyone else, but I will stop the madness of the quoting chain. *Laughs in evil tone*

[QUOTE="dRehkJY"]No more quoting of that pyramid. I hate having to scroll long amounts down the pageLink256

I cannot speak for everyone else, but I will stop the madness of the quoting chain. *Laughs in evil tone*

looks like we are doing it again! *evil smile*

"Reason for moderation, ignoring me."

Okay, sorry about, I should know better as Mod.

*Continues evil laugh*

*Tickles you with feather duster*dRehkJY

*makes a wth face*

[QUOTE="dRehkJY"]*Tickles you with feather duster*Dark_Hylian8

*makes a wth face*

*Puts you and link on the stretching rack with thumbnails in your anatomy*

dRehkJY

*crying in pain, from the harsh pusiment that dRehkJY dished out*

[QUOTE="Dark_Hylian8"]

[QUOTE="dRehkJY"]*Tickles you with feather duster*dRehkJY

*makes a wth face*

sorry for saying this but please continue with the thread title, thanks guys :wink:

Okay, sorry about that. What about all of the comments, should they stay there, get erased or should this thread be locked all together?

Back on Topic: Does anyone think tha the entire Smackdown! brand could be wiped away, after SmackDown leaves UPN?

I really doubt it, I think Vince will keep SmackDown alive (one way or another) and find another station to put it on, prehaps USA network.

SD! to be cut? That can't happen. If it does then they should get all the superstars from there and move to Rawnellyg619

There are too many superstars for all of them to be one show and I really do not see WWE cuting that many superstars, so I believe SmackDown will stay alive (one way or another).

[QUOTE="nellyg619"]SD! to be cut? That can't happen. If it does then they should get all the superstars from there and move to RawLink256

There are too many superstars for all of them to be one show and I really do not see WWE cuting that many superstars, so I believe SmackDown will stay alive (one way or another).

If it does get cut than won't the good superstars move to Raw?