Vince is always tryin to bring the black man down

I agree, I mean gosh darn it, Shelton could be high mid card material and getting WWE title shots but NO!!
I mean if he went to smackdown, He would job to Animal and Hedienrich

[QUOTE="philcabinet"]Don't forget Orlando Jordan JML897

Agreed... OJ is average at best.

I agree, I mean gosh darn it, Shelton could be high mid card material and getting WWE title shots but NO!!
I mean if he went to smackdown, He would job to Animal and Hedienrich

Kotenks

IMHO, Shelton Benjamin is hi-card material. However, I wish the WWE would give him the mic AMAP, on weekly bases, so he could work on his mic skills.

first of all fans don't respond to orlando jordan, secondly Shelton Benjamin had a long rain as WWE Champion, Booket T was the last U.S. Champion. Bobby Lashley has gotten a huge push despite not having any apparent Mic skills.
trick_man01

Shelton Benjamin was the WWE Champion? Hmm... I must have missed that one. :P

Shelton Benjamin had a long rain as WWE Championtrick_man01

Shelton Benjamin had a long rain as WWE Championtrick_man01

They've started to do alot for Lashley.bestlaker

They've started to do alot for Lashley.bestlaker

[QUOTE="DirtyDarren"] [QUOTE="bestlaker"]They've started to do alot for Lashley.trick_man01

And who was the first guy eliminated from the Survivor Series match?

Lashley will get better,I see him with maybe the US championship,but if he gets drafted to RAW,if they do their annual draft after Wrestlemania,he should become th IC champ
He has got a good look and he should only get better,I dont think he should be compared to Lesnar,they pushed Lesnar too far too soon and look what happened.

Bobby Lashley=furture champion

[QUOTE="JML897"] [QUOTE="philcabinet"]Don't forget Orlando Jordan philcabinet

I disagree a lot.  Shelton equals like 5 of Orlando Jordan.

OMGORZORZZ teh hispanickzz don't get no pushez not becuzz they are xruiserzerweightz beccuzz dey r hispanickz

Grow the hell up. It's not racism, it's Triple Politics. The only reaosn JBL got a title push was because Brock had left .  Booker T and Sheltan Benjaman have Triple H holding them down. Orlando Jordan knew what he was getting when he was turned into JBL's slave ( IMO ) . I do not know if racism has to do with it but it all leads back to triple polotics.

They've started to do alot for Lashley.bestlaker

It all reverses though. He got eliminated first in the SvR match at Suvivor Series after a measly chokeslam. The guy was fresh and received a squashing of his own. Let's see what happens though...

OMGORZORZZ teh hispanickzz don't get no pushez not becuzz they are xruiserzerweightz beccuzz dey r hispanickz

Grow the hell up. It's not racism, it's Triple Politics. The only reaosn JBL got a title push was because Brock had left .  Booker T and Sheltan Benjaman have Triple H holding them down. Orlando Jordan knew what he was getting when he was turned into JBL's slave ( IMO ) . I do not know if racism has to do with it but it all leads back to triple polotics.

SwimPUNK

As a black wrestling fan I getting really tired of the WWE. It seems as if they're anti-black. I swear, when was the last time we ever had a black champion. Also back in the A.P.A. who was the bigger star. Bradshaw he always got to finish the matches, always got the pins. Farooq was in the background. Then Farooq gets fired, JBL gets a title push. :? What the hell is that about? Now Booker T, a star in WCW. A great wrestler, he's been in the WWE for a couple years now, I think he deserves one title run before he retires. (Which is probably soon) And I'm not even gonna talk about Vince saying the N word yesterday. And now Shelton, one of the brightest young stars and doesn't deserve to be jobbing Murdoch. What the hell Vince. Is it something about black people you don't like?mja2k3

I would agree with you, only if you were not wrong. I mean in the early 90's when Vince was in his prime of being chairman, he appointed the Nation Of Domination about 90% of the faction was black and some half-cast. Farooq, the leader of that faction at the time, was getting the push of his life with matches with the like the Undertaker and what not. Yeh its been a really long time since a black person has been WWE champ, but tbats only because of the writers and talent peeps like JR, Tom Pritchard not doing a very doing job at scripts and expanding gimmicks, thats all.

I would agree with you, only if you were not wrong. I mean in the early 90's when Vince was in his prime of being chairman, he appointed the Nation Of Domination about 90% of the faction was black and some half-cast. Farooq, the leader of that faction at the time, was getting the push of his life with matches with the like the Undertaker and what not. Yeh its been a really long time since a black person has been WWE champ, but tbats only because of the writers and talent peeps like JR, Tom Pritchard not doing a very doing job at scripts and expanding gimmicks, thats all.inferno-gaa

Hell, look where each of the members of the Nation ended up, Kama became the Godfather, a pimp.  D-Lo got stuck in a Hassan-esque (but even less well thought out) racism gimmick with Tiger Ali Signh, where he inexplicably became Arab, Farooq, who next to the Rock got the best end of the deal, became an alcoholic Gun for Hire, and Mark Henry became a sex addict.

Now, I don't know if the WWE is racist, intentionally, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. In all honesty, I don't believe that they are or want to be in any way racist.  But, there is certainly loads of evidence that suggests that is the case, well more than their is to the contrary.

However, there is one thing the WWE has proven time and time again, when WWE does deal with issues of race on screen, not just black, but any race, they suck at it.  The "creative" team has no idea how to write ethnic characters without relying on antiquated sterotypes and they always have a shortsighted agenda that only deals with the side of the issue that Vince sees and thus, the characters fail.  Whenever Vince plays the race card, its going to suck, maybe not because of intentional racism, but because of the ignorance of those writing.

[QUOTE="inferno-gaa"]I would agree with you, only if you were not wrong. I mean in the early 90's when Vince was in his prime of being chairman, he appointed the Nation Of Domination about 90% of the faction was black and some half-cast. Farooq, the leader of that faction at the time, was getting the push of his life with matches with the like the Undertaker and what not. Yeh its been a really long time since a black person has been WWE champ, but tbats only because of the writers and talent peeps like JR, Tom Pritchard not doing a very doing job at scripts and expanding gimmicks, thats all.The_Dude14

Hell, look where each of the members of the Nation ended up, Kama became the Godfather, a pimp. D-Lo got stuck in a Hassan-esque (but even less well thought out) racism gimmick with Tiger Ali Signh, where he inexplicably became Arab, Farooq, who next to the Rock got the best end of the deal, became an alcoholic Gun for Hire, and Mark Henry became a sex addict.

Now, I don't know if the WWE is racist, intentionally, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. In all honesty, I don't believe that they are or want to be in any way racist. But, there is certainly loads of evidence that suggests that is the case, well more than their is to the contrary.

However, there is one thing the WWE has proven time and time again, when WWE does deal with issues of race on screen, not just black, but any race, they suck at it. The "creative" team has no idea how to write ethnic characters without relying on antiquated sterotypes and they always have a shortsighted agenda that only deals with the side of the issue that Vince sees and thus, the characters fail. Whenever Vince plays the race card, its going to suck, maybe not because of intentional racism, but because of the ignorance of those writing.

I'm sorry but your wrong.  Pedro Morales was also WWE Champ. And I'm sorry if you think that my point before was invalid but I think people who try and say that a business is racist just because black people are an ethnic minority and that we are not bowing down to black people in forgiveness because some fools with pillowcases on their heads and burning crosses were killing black people 100-150 years ago is just stupid. End of the day is just live with it that it is a COINSIDENCE that WWE haven't had as many superstars which are black and if your that bothered you try becoming a wrestler.inferno-gaa

I said that I was simply playing the devil's advocate.  I said that I don't believe that the WWE is racist.  However, I also said that there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.  I did say that WWE handles any matter dealing with any ethnicity in an ignorant fashion and left it at that.  I also that said that one black stable that was jobbed to hell, then saddled with even worse gimmicks and one, and hell, for the sake of argument I'll even give you Pedro Morales, two Champions in the 30+ year history of a company is hardly proof that a company is not racist.

And to get another thing straight, I'm white, so how would my becoming a wrestler, in any way, have to do with this discussion.

Damn what a memory, This guy should be a lawyer. I have but one question, What is Shelton's gimmick?Kotenks

I hope you realize that we are on the unlimited resource know as the internet and therefore, he could of easily looked it up online, rather than actually know it.

Shelton Benjamin is young and very gifted wrestler, but that is not really gimmick.He does not really have gimmick to speak of, however, that is not bad thing, that is good thing.

If I remember correctly, didn't Mabel (Viscera) got a run at the WWE Title for One Day, or was it just a title shot?! KevyR

BTW, Swim_Punk, town it down, we dont mean to be upsetting people.

Well to be perfectly honest here, Vince's comment at Survivor Series during that promo backstage with Cena was tasteless. There was no reason for it to be said and there is no excuse for it too, regardless of his "powers".

At times like this, it makes you look at different points of view. If the Chairman of the WWE was black, and he directed a statement like Vince did at SS but instead to white people, do you think the fans and people in general would react the same way or differently?

To be honest, knowing how people stereotype society and backgrounds these days, I think people would react differently and it would be for the worse.

Well to be perfectly honest here, Vince's comment at Survivor Series during that promo backstage with Cena was tasteless. There was no reason for it to be said and there is no excuse for it too, regardless of his "powers".

At times like this, it makes you look at different points of view. If the Chairman of the WWE was black, and he directed a statement like Vince did at SS but instead to white people, do you think the fans and people in general would react the same way or differently?

To be honest, knowing how people stereotype society and backgrounds these days, I think people would react differently and it would be for the worse.

hbk91

I agree 100% Mena.

It's a damn shame that Vince doesn't acknowledge a great talent and future champion in Shelton Benjamin. In all of his matches, no matter who he faces, Shelton always impresses me!

That's WWE for you letting real talent go to wastes!

*cough* Christain *cough*

It's a damn shame that Vince doesn't acknowledge a great talent and future champion in Shelton Benjamin. In all of his matches, no matter who he faces, Shelton always impresses me!

That's WWE for you letting real talent go to wastes!

*cough* Christain *cough*

MiJV

I wouldn't say go to wastes.  Now he is in TNA. :D:D:D:D

i must be mising something, when did Vince say the N word?cradleOFfilth37

At the Survivor Series.

[QUOTE="cradleOFfilth37"]i must be mising something, when did Vince say the N word?KevyR

At the Survivor Series.

at who?

[QUOTE="KevyR"]

[QUOTE="cradleOFfilth37"]i must be mising something, when did Vince say the N word?cradleOFfilth37

At the Survivor Series.

at who?

To John Cena, even though he wasn't black, but Vinnie Mac decided to go hip hop on Cena. And Booker T was listening in and he said, "Tell Me, I Didn't Just Hear That?!"

[QUOTE="cradleOFfilth37"][QUOTE="KevyR"]

[QUOTE="cradleOFfilth37"]i must be mising something, when did Vince say the N word?KevyR

At the Survivor Series.

at who?

To John Cena, even though he wasn't black, but Vinnie Mac decided to go hip hop on Cena. And Booker T was listening in and he said, "Tell Me, I Didn't Just Hear That?!"

:o i cannot believe he would say that

I should clarify that when I say Asian/Arabic I basically mean anybody south of europe (my geography is poor so apologies to anyone from that region if I've inadvertantly offended you)