There is already a thread about Brock. Think and look before you post threads.-RKO
Good point, but the other thread is made for the "Brock Lesnar Returning" news. This is sort of a disscussion about what would happen if he returned. I know they look similar but they are different. I'm going to keep this open. Other officers or our leader can lock it if they see something wrong with it...but really...I don't see a reason to lock it.
[QUOTE="-RKO"]There is already a thread about Brock. Think and look before you post threads.wwervin
Good point, but the other thread is made for the "Brock Lesnar Returning" news. This is sort of a disscussion about what would happen if he returned. I know they look similar but they are different. I'm going to keep this open. Other officers or our leader can lock it if they see something wrong with it...but really...I don't see a reason to lock it.
Ok I just thought it would make more sense to just keep all Brock discussion in one thread but its your call. :wink:[QUOTE="superman2412"]I said it before and I'll say it again
batista vs lesnar
nellyg619
i wud like to see that
hopefully everyone willnnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
sephy37
[QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
superman2412
lesnar needs to be a heel for now. i don't think the fans will take him back as a face since he left. besides, batista sucks as a heel...(but then again he sucks as a face too)
[QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
superman2412
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
[QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
5465_256
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
brock will come back face, then batista will become heel and they will wrestle each other[QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
ssj4josh
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
brock will come back face, then batista will become heel and they will wrestle each otherThat is not going to happen apon his return, too many fans remember how he picked football over the WWE and how he left at Wrestlemania XX. Also, Batista popularity is pretty big right now, it is not Austin or Hogan big, but still pretty big non-the-less. The fans seem to go nuts when he comes out to the ring, it would be pretty supid on WWE's part to make Brock face and Batista heel, that would not make much sense.
[QUOTE="ssj4josh"][QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
5465_256
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
brock will come back face, then batista will become heel and they will wrestle each otherThat is not going to happen apon his return, too many fans remember how he picked football over the WWE and how he left at Wrestlemania XX. Also, Batista popularity is pretty big right now, it is not Austin or Hogan big, but still pretty big non-the-less. The fans seem to go nuts when he comes out to the ring, it would be pretty supid on WWE's part to make Brock face and Batista heel, that would not make much sense.
brock will be face and fight other heels ( muhhamed hussan, eddie G etc. ) later on down the road batista will turn heel and lesnar will face him ( i hope batista doesnt become heel but thats what i think will happen )[QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
5465_256
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
[QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
The_Dude14
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
thats a great theory, either way brock will face batista eventually[QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
The_Dude14
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
I agree, DO NOT put any World Championship back on Lesnar to quick, wait some time before you put the championship back on him. I agree with you The_Dude14, have him feud with Batista and put other wrestlers over, than win the championship after a while. No need to push Lesnar to quick now, that was partly the mistake WWE made last time, making him the WWE champion too fast.
[QUOTE="The_Dude14"][QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
5465_256
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
I agree, DO NOT put any World Championship back on Lesnar to quick, wait some time before you put the championship back on him. I agree with you The_Dude14, have him feud with Batista and put other wrestlers over, than win the championship after a while. No need to push Lesnar to quick now, that was partly the mistake WWE made last time, making him the WWE champion too fast.
last time, he wasnt rushed IMO, he was made champ just in the right time[QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="The_Dude14"][QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
ssj4josh
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
I agree, DO NOT put any World Championship back on Lesnar to quick, wait some time before you put the championship back on him. I agree with you The_Dude14, have him feud with Batista and put other wrestlers over, than win the championship after a while. No need to push Lesnar to quick now, that was partly the mistake WWE made last time, making him the WWE champion too fast.
last time, he wasnt rushed IMO, he was made champ just in the right timeOne of the reasons he left the WWE is because he felt like he had done everything he wanted to do, including winning the WWE championhip. WWE should not give Brock everything he wants too quickly, otherwise he might get bored too fast, as he did before.
[QUOTE="ssj4josh"] last time, he wasnt rushed IMO, he was made champ just in the right time5465_256
One of the reasons he left the WWE is because he felt like he had done everything he wanted to do, including winning the WWE championhip. WWE should not give Brock everything he wants too quickly, otherwise he might get bored too fast, as he did before.
So, winning the King of the Ring, winning the WWEUndisputed Title from the Rock at the main event of Summerslam, winning the Royal Rumble and winning the WWE Title in the main event of Wrestlemania, all within his first year wan't being pushed too fast.
[QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="ssj4josh"] last time, he wasnt rushed IMO, he was made champ just in the right timeThe_Dude14
One of the reasons he left the WWE is because he felt like he had done everything he wanted to do, including winning the WWE championhip. WWE should not give Brock everything he wants too quickly, otherwise he might get bored too fast, as he did before.
So, winning the King of the Ring, winning the WWE Title from the Rock at Summerslam, winning the Royal Rumble and winning the WWE Title in the main event of Wrestlemania, all within your first year wan't being pushed too fast.
Also, beating both of the Hardyz by himself (one of the greatest tag-teams ever), beating RVD (enough said), Winning the WWE championship twice, beating the Undertaker at his own match (Hell in the Cell) and the Big Show also in that same year. He basically wrestled and beat most of the top SmackDown superstars in that same year.
[QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
The_Dude14
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
who even says lesnar is gonna go to smackdown! it has obviously become the "lesser" show in the eyes of the wwe and all the bankable talent are on raw i.e. cena, angle, hbk. they probably will put lesnar on raw. i kinda hope they do. he has better feud possibilites on raw. who really wants to see lesnar vs. jbl or lesnar vs. undertaker anyways? if he feuded with benoit, that would be sweet.
[QUOTE="The_Dude14"][QUOTE="5465_256"][QUOTE="superman2412"][QUOTE="sephy37"]nnnnnoooooo batista heel vs lesnar facelesnar comes back as a face and apologizes for leaving. but guys like batista give him crap and lesnar finally has had his fill and goes heel and beats batista for the title. then batista can feud with benoit :D.
sephy37
That is not going to happen, Brock will be a heel apon his return, the fans would not accept him as Baby Face (the fans have not forgotten WM XX match and how he left, I sure have not forgotten that horrible-horrible match). (Face) Bastista vs. Brock (Heel) would be cool, Batista would show him a thing or two about who the best big man. I know that match would be good and hopefully would not turn into a pile of crap like the Goldberg vs. Brock Match at WM XX. But then again, Batista knows hows to put on a much better wrestling match than Goldberg IMHO, so I am sure that would not happen.
He'll probably get an initial "Welcome Back" pop, as long as he debuts somewhere outside of MSG. However, the double birds he shot to the crowd on the way out, the way he left, and why he left all make Lesnar the perfect heel on the return.
Batista is your top face in the company, it would be ridiculous to turn him heel on a guy who will have major heat on him when he returns.
Also, THE WORST THING WWE could do is put the Title right back on Lesnar. Brock accomplished everything there was to do in WWE, and it got boring for him and he looked elsewhere. He should put Batista over, then he should be kept away from the title for a while to help other wrestlers get over for a while.
who even says lesnar is gonna go to smackdown! it has obviously become the "lesser" show in the eyes of the wwe and all the bankable talent are on raw i.e. cena, angle, hbk. they probably will put lesnar on raw. i kinda hope they do. he has better feud possibilites on raw. who really wants to see lesnar vs. jbl or lesnar vs. undertaker anyways? if he feuded with benoit, that would be sweet.
Let's look at the facts, shall we:
-That is where his prime of his career was at
-Raw more than enough talent in general and has plenty of heels as it stands
-SmackDown needs more talent (e.g. top heels)
-Brock is heel wrestler mosty and SmackDown has needed a top heel wrestler sense he left (e.g. we are sick and tired of seeing JBL be the top heel and we want Brock to become the top heel again on SmackDown)
Mostly though, when Brock left SmackDown, JBL became the top heel on that show and all of us wrestling would rather him join SmackDown. So, JBL would no longer be the top heel and there would no longer be a reason for JBL be champion.
So, when you add all of those factors together, it would make a lot of sense for him to go to SmackDown. It would be pretty stupid to have him join Raw, but I would not put it past WWE do something stupid like that.
Triple Threat: Orton vs Batista vs Lesnar would be awesome. 8)hbk91
I said it before and I'll say it again
batista vs lesnar
superman2412
Lesnar vs. Goldberg should have been a last man standing but NO.
Why are there no gimmick matches at WM now?
Kotenks
Because Wrestlemania is post to be more about good old fashion wrestling, that is my guess.
Anyways, they did have the Six-way "Money in the Bank" Ladder match at Wrestlemania XXI, there is gimmick match right there.
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[QUOTE="LynchMob09R"]i say after the Batista and Lesnar feud then it will be the Lenar and Randy Orton feud cuz you know he loves to rub elbows with legends!!!:roll:sephy37
lesnar should be given a feud with someone who is actually "good" in the ring.
Okay, IMHO Orton is very good in the ring, that was never his problem. His problem was getting over the fans with his character turn to Baby Face. Also, him winning the World HW championship too fast and being pushed too fast did not help manners either. His in ring skills have never been out question by the fans, which are very good IMHO. It was simply that he won the World HW championship too fast. Then after that, the fans never truly expected him as a baby face and most fans thought he won the World HW championship too early in his career.
Which, as big as Orton fan as I am, it was obvious he was pushed too fast to become a Hi-Card and a World HW champion and he should have stayed a Heel, it was working great for him and he should have simply stayed as heel, even after being kicked out of Evolution.
Okay, IMHO Orton is very good in the ring, that was never his problem. His problem was getting over the fans with his character turn to Baby Face. Also, him winning the World HW championship too fast and being pushed too fast did not help manners either. His in ring skills have never been out question by the fans, which are very good IMHO. It was simply that he won the World HW championship too fast. Then after that, the fans never truly expected him as a baby face and most fans thought he won the World HW championship too early in his career.
Which, as big as Orton fan as I am, it was obvious he was pushed too fast to become a Hi-Card and a World HW champion and he should have stayed a Heel, it was working great for him and he should have simply stayed as heel, even after being kicked out of Evolution.Shadow-Link-221
I agree, Orton's in ring skills should not be questioned as he is quite good, which he has shown on several occasions. He's not near the Angle-Benoit-Van Dam-Micahaels level of being able to make anyone look good, as he struggles to deliver with larger opponenets consistently (his matches with Kane and Batista were not very good), but has pulled off some damn fine matches in his young career.
I don't necessarily think Orton was pushed TOO as i believe his title run could have been successful... as a heel. The speed of his turn could have been something to put in our face, to raise his heat, similar to his Legend Killer gimmick.
However, turning him face pretty much screwed him over, especially considering the way it was done. It was done in the way that Evolution dumped Orton, not vice versa, and who wants to hang out with the kid who thought he was too good to hang out with you, until his friends beat him up. From there, Orton had some opportunities to recover, but never could capitialize on them, because I believe he was born to be a heel. WWE also made the mistake of never letting Orton lose. After he dropped the title, I think he lost one match between then and the Rumble and he was shoved down our throats. This caused the fans to rebel, and they would choose Batista to be the guy.
IMO, Orton is tailor made to be a career heel. Orton's look, smug demeanor, and ring skills make him more or less perfect for the "Legend Killer" gimmick and as sort of a Mr. Perfect 2.0. He's perfect to be the guy you hate, but secretly wish you were. Unfortunately, these also don't translate well to him being a face, unless you are a female. In which case, you seem to love him no matter what.
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