What Is The Best Angle In Wrestling Today?

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#1 sephy37
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Nothing Saves
A WORLD Without HONOR Will
Suffer

http://www.abusedsociety.com/

if this interests you...check out http://project161.blogspot.com/

this is what is reffered to as an ARG

this is the single best angle right now and based on how it plays out, storyline of the year possibly. the past couple days, the ROH boards have been spammed with cryptic messages. it's even going on right now as i'm writing this.

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#2 oneofakind_07
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kurt is the best angle! duh!
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#3 bulletproofcow
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When I first went to the speculation site, the first thing I saw was Gabe's email telling people to keep his family out of this. I really thought we were dealing with a cult of some sort.

Gabe is brilliant.

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#4 Link256
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It may be because I am not in the best of moods at the current moment, or could be due to the fact that I do not bend-over backwards to worship the very ground ROH walks on, however, with that being said, is it just me or am I the only that feels that description comes off as being kind of stupid?

I mean, I may be alone in this thought, however, just because something is "dark" and "mysterious," does not automatically mean its good. For my liking, that is how I would describe what I am seeing here.

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#5 sephy37
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It may be because I am not in the best of moods at the current moment, or could be due to the fact that I do not bend-over backwards to worship the very ground ROH walks on, however, with that being said, is it just me or am I the only that feels that description comes off as being kind of stupid?

I mean, I may be alone in this thought, however, just because something is "dark" and "mysterious," does not automatically mean its good. For my liking, that is how I would describe what I am seeing here.

Link256

i just think it's really great because it has 100% to do with the fans.

first it started during the 7/27 & 7/28 shows. all the mirrors in the bathrooms had "ABUSEDSOCIETY" and other stuff written on it. then there were flyers and stuff everywhere after the show saying:

"Nothing Saves
A WORLD Without HONOR Will
Suffer

www.abusedsociety.com"

and then the website it links to (and further websites that are linked from that website) are so cryptic and dark. the first website obviously had a manipulated picture of the Sears Tower in Chicago and mentioned the words "second" and "city." one can go on to believe this is a new angle or stable featuring Adam Pearce and possibly BJ Whitmer and Jimmy Rave.

then as the days have gone on, new stuff has popped up. the website has been changing, the ROH boards have been spammed and crashed because of it. there's an AIM bot you can communicate with. plus Gabe, the booker, is involved directly since he says he's been getting weird phone calls and his wife's myspace was hacked (that's where the picture of him apparently came from). it's just a great way to get the fans involved.

ROH has always been about furthering angles online and making the ROH community feel like it's a part of it, and this is just a new step for them.

i mean, what's so great about mainstream wrestling these days anyways? Orton killing legends again, Cody Rhodes getting a job, Kennedy killing Lashley, Kurt Angle abusing his wife, Abyss talking?

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It may be because I am not in the best of moods at the current moment, or could be due to the fact that I do not bend-over backwards to worship the very ground ROH walks on, however, with that being said, is it just me or am I the only that feels that description comes off as being kind of stupid?

I mean, I may be alone in this thought, however, just because something is "dark" and "mysterious," does not automatically mean its good. For my liking, that is how I would describe what I am seeing here.

Link256

Well I certainly love ARGs and stuff like that, but you're not alone, IMO as well, this is just coming off a little cheesy if it's just a wrestling angle. Maybe it's because I don't follow ROH, thus it has little meaning to me, I don't know.

However if this was an actual cult or something, then I certainly would be interested, but seeing as it's apparantly that booker there who is behind this, I'm not really creeped out by this at all. I think this is just a little too cheesy for a new wrestling gimmick or something.

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#7 sephy37
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it's most likely being done by the wrestlers in the stable. Gabe is a great booker, but a lot of stuff like Jimmy Jacobs's music videos and journal videos that have been so well received were Jimmy's idea. this could be something he came up with too or Pearce maybe.
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#8 Link256
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ROH has always been about furthering angles online and making the ROH community feel like it's a part of it, and this is just a new step for them.

sephy37

If that is the case, ROH is probably not my kind of gig. Call me crazy, however, I prefer to be able to watch single show and understand what in the world is going on, without having to follow the likes of flyers, online communities and anything else requires attentional effort beyond what I am presented from one show to another.

Also, regardless of that, as far as I am concerned, when I have to play "CSI" in order to understand what in the world is going on with, of all things, wrestling program, I am having problems. I mean, at least for me, wrestling is all about being simple -you know, being something that anybody can relate to.

Goes without saying, this angle looks to be complete opposite of that.

i mean, what's so great about mainstream wrestling these days anyways? Orton killing legends again, Cody Rhodes getting a job, Kennedy killing Lashley, Kurt Angle abusing his wife, Abyss talking?

sephy37

So, you are idea of "great" is which ever pile of crap is not as big - is that what I am hearing?

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#9 Chicago_Nut
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[QUOTE="sephy37"]

ROH has always been about furthering angles online and making the ROH community feel like it's a part of it, and this is just a new step for them.

Link256

If that is the case, ROH is probably not my kind of gig. Call me crazy, however, I prefer to be able to watch single show and understand what in the world is going on, without having to follow the likes of flyers, online communities and anything else requires attentional effort beyond what I am presented from one show to another.

Also, regardless of that, as far as I am concerned, when I have to play "CSI" in order to understand what in the world is going on with, of all things, wrestling program, I am having problems. I mean, at least for me, wrestling is all about being simple -you know, being something that anybody can relate to.

Goes without saying, this angle looks to be complete opposite of that.

Honestly, this is a serious question, what is your problem with ROH? It's easy to know what's going on, and the storylines are simple. There's nothing complex about ROH angles and storylines, I think you're just making stuff up. Plus, I think the commentators do a good job of explaining what is happening within ROH. I remember seeing my first DVD of ROH, and they explained it to me really well and I felt like as if I was following the company all along. Plus, ROH has Video Wire on their site and Youtube where you can see what's going on in the world of ROH. In fact, they uploaded a new one just today.

You once called ROH kind of a spotfest. How? WSX was a spotfest, there is no way in hell ROH is close to what WSX did. Plus, most matches in ROH have slow paced starts and are structured very well leading up to a finish.

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#10 Link256
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Honestly, this is a serious question, what is your problem with ROH? It's easy to know what's going on, and the storylines are simple. There's nothing complex about ROH angles and storylines, I think you're just making stuff. Plus, I think the commentators do a good job of explaining what is happening within ROH. I remember seeing my first DVD of ROH, and they explained it to me really well and I felt like as if I was following the company all along. Plus, ROH has Video Wire on their site and Youtube where you can see what's going on in the world of ROH. In fact, they uploaded a new one just today.

Chicago_Nut

I am talking about the subject of thread, and therefore, sephy's response to my comments saying, and I quote, "ROH has always been about furthering angles online."

Also, in regards to the online stuff, as I have already said, I do not care - I want to be able to follow ROH from one show to another without any additional effort, same as I do with WWE and TNA. Granted, there stuff as of late is garabage, however, at least with their stuff, I am able to accomplish very goal in which I am talking about.

For the record, more than anything else, when I was refering to ROH as being "complex," in particular, I was mainly and especially talking about the likes of this thread's main subject.

You once called ROH kind of a spotfest. How? WSX was a spotfest, there is no way in hell ROH is close to what WSX did. Plus, most matches in ROH have slow paced starts and are structured very well leading up to a finish.

Chicago_Nut

Just because ROH is not as bad WSX does not mean they are not spot-fest, in some kind of fashion.

In regards to what I am talking about, I am talking about the fact that from what I seen, at times, you willhaveparts in the match that move would normally force guy stay down in WWE, they will almost instantly recover in ROH. I am talking about all of the constant jumping and running. I am talking about how in almost every match, at times, you see sequence of several moves, without little to no break periods. I am talking about the fact moves that normally would be finishers another promotion are merely mid-matches move in ROH. I am talking about the fact that seems as if, at times, "everyone and their mom" (remember, quotes are there for reason) in ROH is able to kick-out of someone's finisher.

Now, if you enjoy your wrestling at faster pace or have wider range than I, I say "great," however, as I am concerned, I rather things be bit more "moderate."

For the record, also said in those same comments that my feelings may be due to unfamiliarity, that I am to use to how WWE is doing things and would be able to give much better review over the company once had chance to watch more of their shows. As far as I am concerned, in case it was not obvious, most of my comments about ROH should be taken with "grain of salt."

Also, going back to those comments, in case it was not already obvious, I do not hate ROH - merely, I do not love as everyone does. For me, at the moment, its decent. For whatever worth, I feel that to be huge improvement from what WWE and TNA are currently providing - or rather - what they are not providing.

In addition, for whatever it is worth, I think most of my major complaints, so far, have due with preference and unfamiliarity, two things which I feel have little due with problem on ROH's part.

In regards to my other problems with ROH:

  • while it does apply to everyone, I simply feel as if too many of their guys have look is too similar and therefore, at times, I have difficult separating one guy from another, especially and mainly in regards to the attire lot of them have
  • in particular, my problem with "Respect Is Earned" is that there was no clear definition between what where highlight package that were shown in the middle of the entrances and the entrance itself.
  • could be due to my unfamiliarly with the product, however, I felt as if half matches from angle standpoint did not have enough of legit meaning for being there

Unlike my other complaints, I feel as if these have everything due with the product, and not necessarily problem on my end.

Furthermore, for whatever it is worth, beyond my last 3 points, I would say most everything I have said are issues which are very minor in comparison to good that ROH has provided. To be short to the point, all around, I would describe them as having "believability" and "quality wrestling."

Finally, while my feelings are true (most of them being from more minor standpoint), I thought I would merely throw them out there, in hopes of starting intelligent discussion that probably would have not otherwise have happened [seems as if it may have worked :P]

On side note, I will be first person to admit there is good chance that, in general, I am being over-criticial. Again, I blame that due to my unfamiarlity with the product, along with the fact I have been "brainwashed" by the WWE to follow their way sense my childhood --- come back to me 2 or 3 months from now. However, nonetheless, these are feelings I have (as they say, "feelings our feelings"), and such, I felt as if they should not be igrnored, regardless of the possible "errors" that may and probably are involved.

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On side note, I will be first person to admit there is good chance that, in general, I am being over-criticial. Again, I blame that due to my unfamiarlity with the product, along with the fact I have been "brainwashed" by the WWE to follow their way sense my childhood --- come back to me 2 or 3 months from now. However, nonetheless, these are feelings I have (as they say, "feelings our feelings"), and such, I felt as if they should not be igrnored, regardless of the possible "errors" that may and probably are involved.

Link256

This sentence basically makes me understand your different views on the product. I guess it isn't easy getting used to a product when you've only watched it once and it's much different than the product you have been watching for years.

As regards to the "wrestlers kicking out of WWE finishers", that's not only ROH but most other (if not all) indies. It's kinda weird seeing people tap out to the Crossface for Benoit where Samoa Joe does it in TNA and nobody has tapped from it. I watch both products with different minds, which makes it so much better for me as a wrestling fan.

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This pic creeps me out.