WWE Armageddon Discussions Thread - Sunday, Dec 17th 2006

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#1 Total-KO
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-- Presented by SmackDown! --

 

-- WWE Armageddon --

-- Dream Tag Match --

WWE Champion John Cena & World Heavyweight Champion Batista vs. King Booker & Finlay

-- Inferno Match --

Kane vs. MVP

-- Last Ride Match --

Mr. Kennedy vs. Undertaker

-- United States Championship --

Chris Benoit (c) vs. Chavo Guerrero

-- WWE Cruiserweight Championship --

Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Gregory Helms (c)

-- One Fall to a Finish --

The Miz vs. Boogeyman

-- WWE World Tag Team Championship --

Brian Kendrick (c) & Paul London (c) vs. Dave Taylor & William Regal

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In here, discuss thoughts, opinions and predictions about WWE Smackdown's upcoming PPV.

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#2 Total-KO
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Wow, three matches in one day. But to be truthful, they were leaked from numerous sources.

The dream tag match. I think it's obvious who will win out of this Face/Heel Tag match going into the new year. But I reckon it could swing either way. It's more of a battle or gimmick vs. ability in my opinion.

Inferno Match. MVP loses, it's clear. One of the few wrestlers who wears a full body suit in his matches over an opponent who wears only tights now has got to lose. Hopefully the fire can distract us away from Kane's lack of wrestling.

Last Ride Match. Good on paper, with good wrestlers. I reckon that this should settle the fued with Take winning and hopefully he actually continues wrestling full term after this.

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#3 SeriousThreat
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Is Smackdowns main event scene lacking that much that they need to bring in Cena for their PPV's?
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#4 trick_man01
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Is Smackdowns main event scene lacking that much that they need to bring in Cena for their PPV's?SeriousThreat
Well it will be their third PPV in less than a month, so they really need something to try to help buyrates.
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#5 mrgab
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Dream tag match, whos dream? (i know they're in other matches, but Cena and Bastista vs Kane and Taker would be a better dream)
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Dream tag match, whos dream? (i know they're in other matches, but Cena and Bastista vs Kane and Taker would be a better dream)mrgab
I do agree... not with your dream tag, but with your issue with the main event as a dream tag.  Nightmare, possibly.

Anywho, unless Cena and Batista turn on each other and fight, that main event reeks of just being a placeholder match.  It won't advance anything, just keep Smackdown in a monotonous cycle.

The gimmick matches do absolutely nothing for me.  The Inferno match, especially, is all spectacle and no substance.

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I don't believe it's up to the WWE to tell us whether it's our "dream" tag match or not.

Anywoo, this is shaping up to be mediocre at best. Depending on what they do with the Londricks, and Helms now that Matt is gone(or is he? Maybe him and Jeff can BOTH have two belts each? ) Speaking of the Hardyz, who thinks they will be in this PPV as well...?

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[QUOTE="mrgab"]Dream tag match, whos dream? (i know they're in other matches, but Cena and Bastista vs Kane and Taker would be a better dream)The_Dude14

I do agree... not with your dream tag, but with your issue with the main event as a dream tag.  Nightmare, possibly.

After hearing dream matches and seeing one live at Glory By Honor V, this makes me cringe. Finlay gives me a small hope, as does Booker. But Cena and Batista...do absolutely nothing for me. Good thing I never order PPV's.
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OMG I just realized that Cena and Batista are champs again! Hopefully they both lose them in Jan.

WWE PPVs have gone in quality since Vengance

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#10 wwe4ever_in05
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I think it could be a ok PPV nothing that I would get, but I think Helms is going to defend his title.
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#11 trick_man01
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I think it could be a ok PPV nothing that I would get, but I think Helms is going to defend his title.wwe4ever_in05
I hope so, but the only one he could face is Jimmy Wang Yang.
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#12 Dark_Hylian8
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PPV looks horrible, why does WWE always make ppvs where the main title is not defended? Helms should pass the title, bring in more feuds in the Cruiserweight division. I am sure London/Kendrick will put th titles on the line, and other than that i dont see any other matches being made...Cena and Batista BETTER fight eachother, and combine the titles and the rosters, They would do much better i think
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#13 trick_man01
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PPV looks horrible, why does WWE always make ppvs where the main title is not defended? Helms should pass the title, bring in more feuds in the Cruiserweight division. I am sure London/Kendrick will put th titles on the line, and other than that i dont see any other matches being made...Cena and Batista BETTER fight eachother, and combine the titles and the rosters, They would do much better i thinkDark_Hylian8
The Rosters aren't going to combine, WWE is making way too much money on each brand to consider combining the roster.
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I still don't understand how people think a brand re-combination would help the company. Woo, DX twice a week and John Cena over coming the odds on two rosters. Sign me up. Anyhow, this looks like a really lame PPV, especially considering we're only a week away from it! Three matches that, honestly, look terrible. Inferno Matches are all flash and no substance - I doubt it'll be much more than a train wreck at best. Last ride match... sooo gimmicky. I'm not sure who'll win it, but whoever does, please, let it end the feud before Kennedy is Ortanised by the Dead Man. As for the "Dream Tag Match" .... I don't even care enough about this ultra random match up to actually comment, so meh. And that's it? Three announced matches and just a week away? Maybe they'll top ECW's D2D after all -_-. I wonder if Londricks will defend the belts against the Teacher's Pets or whatever they're called for the umpteenth time? Or if Gregory Helms will actually defend the damn belt. James Gibson is adrift since Kash went bye-bye, turn the man face and put the belt on him! Either that, or Jimmy Yang.
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Or if Gregory Helms will actually defend the damn belt. James Gibson is adrift since Kash went bye-bye, turn the man face and put the belt on him! Either that, or Jimmy Yang.AcolyteV1

There was a #1 contenders match on SD! yesterday which Yang won over Noble.
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#16 AcolyteV1
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[QUOTE="AcolyteV1"]Or if Gregory Helms will actually defend the damn belt. James Gibson is adrift since Kash went bye-bye, turn the man face and put the belt on him! Either that, or Jimmy Yang.trick_man01

There was a #1 contenders match on SD! yesterday which Yang won over Noble.

Ah, cool... I don't have cable any more so I never get to see SD! / RAW, thanks for the heads up ^_^
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Ah, cool... I don't have cable any more so I never get to see SD! / RAW, thanks for the heads up ^_^AcolyteV1
Actually Lodricks are defending the title against Dave Taylor and William Regal according to Smackdown.
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#18 TLCTallahassee
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I'm looking forward to taker and kane's match , thats gonna be awesome!
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#19 KevyR
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This PPV sounds lacking, but it could turn out to be good. Londricks vs. Regal and Taylor could be added and I think it will. That could be MOTN. Plus I think this could setup the break up of Londricks based on recent happenings on SD!
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#20 Total-KO
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Two matches and a poll added.
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#21 flamingskullz
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Benoit Vs Chavo is gonna be MOTN IMO. Their Survivor Series clash was MOTN for me.
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The last ride match between 'Taker and Kennedy is "reasonable",but an inferno match between Kane and MVP is just ridiculous,their feud is not big enough for this type of match and MVP is not big enough of a "superstar" to be in a match like this.I know "Taker and Kane have both battled in this match a couple times and HHH faced Kane once,so given this matches history MVP doesn't equal up to what the past matches have included such as great in-ring performers and all former WWE champions.

And as for this "dream match"..I would have thought they could have made a much better match for the WHC at Armageddon than a stupid tag match that you would think be on Friday Night Smackdown rather than a PPV...you don't put the WHC in a tag match then add the WWE champion...the WHC needs to defend his belt,thats what he has it for,to defend it!

This PPV was made crappy and will be crappy,because the WWE have lost too much talent on the roster and on the creative team to create a good show that much anymore.

The good match on the card is looking to be the US title match Between Benoit and Chavo.

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#23 mja2k3
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Everyone watch the press conference to watch Finlay B*tch smack Josh Matthews for no reason at all. Funny as hell. :lol:
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#24 wwe4ever_in05
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Armageddon predictions.

Cena and Batista Vs. King Bookah and Finlay

Winner: Cena and Batista (King Bookah and Finlay don't have a chance)

Mr. Kenndey Vs. Undertaker in a Last Ride match

Winner: Mr. Kenndey (I hope so just for the fact that this is a good feud)

Kane Vs. MVP in a Inferno Match

Winner: Kane (Just to shut MVP up)

Jimmy Wang Yang Vs. Gergory Helms for the Cruiserweight Championship.

Winner: Jimmy Wang Yang (Just to have a change of pace)

Chris Benoit Vs. Chavo Guerrero for the US Championship

Winner: Benoit (Chavo hasn't proven himself)

The Miz Vs. The Boogeyman

Winner: The Boogeyman (And he's comin' ta get cha Miz, Muh hahaha) :P

Brian Kendrick and Paul London Vs. Dave Taylor and William Regal for the WWE Tag Team Championships

Winners: Dave Taylor and William Regal (London and Kendrick can't do any thing right right now and regal needs a push)

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I would prefer that Helm wins and this feud continues. Also I really don't understand why they released that girl. She was perfect with Yang.
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#26 trick_man01
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My Armageddon Predictions (winners in green):
Cena & Batista vs. King Booker & Finlay

Mr. Kennedy vs. The Undertaker

Kane vs. Montel Vontavious Porter

Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Gregory Helms (I see WWE letting him hold the title until after the Royal Rumble)
 
Taylor and Regal vs. Londricks

Miz vs. Boogeyman vs. Fans Interest
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#27 ToTheBank
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i didnt even know londricks still had the title....
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i didnt even know londricks still had the title....ToTheBank
Yeah most people don't. I think if they win they sure as hell better steal the show.
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#29 KevyR
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MOTN will probably go to Londricks vs. Regal and Taylor. The smash mouth fight/wrestling that these two teams has had the past few weeks got me interested in their Tag Titles defense. Armageddon doesn't look as bad as I once thought. The only match that is I'm not interested is the Miz/Boogeyman match. You'll probably catch some people chanting TNA during this match.
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#30 wwe4ever_in05
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WWE just wants this to be better than D2D, and if it is better then D2D, then Vince may then know what the fans want.    I just thought that he all ready knew that, WWE Armageddon should hopefully be successful.
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#31 Rage11
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Armageddon actually looks like it has the potential to be an above decent PPV. I'm looking foward to watching it tonight.

Here are my predictions/comments about Armageddon tonight.


John Cena & Batista vs. King Booker & Finlay
I have no idea what thy were thinking making the main event this Tag Team match. I also have no idea how this is a "Dream" match. I wish they'd have more confidence in their SmackDown champ that they wouldn't have to put the Raw Champ, Cena in the main event of the SmackDown PPV, but oh well.


Inferno Match: Kane vs. MVP
I am VERY happy to see the return of the Inferno Match. This should be a pretty damn good gimmick match, but MVP is obviously going to lose as he wears ring attire that is able to catch fire(covers both his arms), unless their planning on setting Kane's pants on fire...:shock:


Last Ride Match: Mr. Kennedy vs. Undertaker
I was in person for the first ever Last Ride match at No Mercy in 2004. I thought it was an interesting concept and I'm sure this should be a good match. I hope this is the end to the Kennedy/Taker feud, and I'd like to see Kennedy come out with a victory.


United States Championship: Chris Benoit(c) vs. Chavo Guerrero
Didn't this match happen at Survivor Series? I say Chavo wins this one.


Cruiserweight Championship: Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Gregory Helms(c)
My pick is Jimmy Wang Yang. Yeeehawww!


The Miz vs. Boogeyman
Match of the night.


WWE Tag Team Championship: Brian Kendrick & Paul London(c) vs. Dave Taylor & William Regal
I think London and Kendrick's time as the champs is up. Taylor and Regal will win the gold.
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John Cena & Batista vs. King Booker & Finlay
John Cena and Batista,no contest


Inferno Match: Kane vs. MVP
I hope Kane


Last Ride Match: Mr. Kennedy vs. Undertaker
I think Undertaker needs to win this one.

United States Championship: Chris Benoit(c) vs. Chavo Guerrero
I think Chris Benoit wins this one


Cruiserweight Championship: Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Gregory Helms(c)
Gregory Helms retains and continues this feud


The Miz vs. Boogeyman
The Miz will continue his streak by DQ


WWE Tag Team Championship: Brian Kendrick & Paul London(c) vs. Dave Taylor & William Regal
London and Kendrick's had a halfway decent run, Taylor and Regal will win the gold.
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The Hardys and MNM have been added to the recently changed Ladder match
 
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Must... see... ladder... match. I cannot wait for the DVD to come out that way I can watch the ladder match over and over again.  And on the same note it's really nice to see WWE reward fans for buying a PPV by giving them an unexpected good match.
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#35 Kotenks
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All faces win? BORING!!!! Undertaker still won't job?
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#36 Rage11
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Armageddon owned on so many levels. This really surpassed my expectations. The Inferno Match was quite suspenseful, as I wanted to see how MVP was going to lose. It turned out they set his ass on fire...how nice. Then the Ladder Match was off the charts, f'n awesome stuff. Man Mercury's face got ****ed up bad...I knew that was 100% real the minute I saw the blood all over his face. That was crazy. Then the Last Ride match, with the unexpected bump Taker took. Kennedy should've won but, still a great match reguardless. The Main Event was bland, but the awesome other matches make up for it. The surprise Big Dick Johnson appearance didn't hurt the PPV either.

I really liked Armageddon. SmackDown seems to be on a roll with these PPVs.
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#37 Dark_Hylian8
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from the results i read, i wish i got it....im definitly buying it on dvd
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#38 trick_man01
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I would also like to give props to Mercury, the guy took a sick bump and according to WWE.com he may require plastic surgery to repair his nose. I wish him a speedy recovery... just kinda sucks since he just got back less than a month ago and he's already sidelined again for at least 2 months... again according to WWE.com.
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#39 KevyR
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Did anyone here watch Armageddon?! I saw a little clip of the Fatal Four Way Ladder match for the Tag Title that included the Hardys and MNM. Joey Mercury getting busted open on the nose was sickening when Jeff did the see-saw spot.
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#40 keiblerfan69
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Well here you go:
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#41 sephy37
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the ladder match was a huge slap in the face. it just goes to show that Stephanie doesn't trust the tag teams on her show to put on a good match unless it includes a gimmick where they can do crazy spots.

Spots = GOOD Tag Team Wrestling

Solid, proficient, smart, tag wrestling =/= GOOD Tag Wrestling

hurray for the McMahon thinking!

but anyways, i digress, THAT LADDER MATCH WAS AWESOME.

4 snowflakes from me. this is the first match i've given at least 4 snowflakes since Undertaker/Angle. i'm glad they got 20 minutes and Mercury took a beating. Nitro is really coming into his own as the "new" Jeff Hardy in terms of spots and all that.

London and Spanky shined and i'm glad they retained. too bad Regal and Taylor couldn't showcase their "heelishness" as well as they could.

the match was a clusterf***, but everything meshed together for one of the most entertaining matches in the WWE this year.

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#42 trick_man01
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My Armageddon Predictions (winners in green):
Cena & Batista vs. King Booker & Finlay

Mr. Kennedy vs. The Undertaker

Kane vs. Montel Vontavious Porter

Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Gregory Helms (I see WWE letting him hold the title until after the Royal Rumble)
 
Taylor and Regal vs. Londricks

Miz vs. Boogeyman vs. Fans Interest
trick_man01

Well Excluding the Ladder match (because it was changed at the last minute) and the BoogeyMiz match (which I just didn't care about) I went 3/4... not bad if I do say so myself.
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#43 WWEMAN101
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I can't believe I watched the Chargers game over this. The game was awesome (GO LT!!) , and this PPV looked that s***. Now I find out the probably MOTY happens. That sucked. Damn you Chargers and damn you WWE for putting on a good product.
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This PPV certainly made up for New Year's Revolution, and I hope the quality of the PPV follows throughout 2007. Considering it was casted as a SmackDown! PPV, I wasn't expecting anything special at all, but at the end of the show, I was left gobsmacked at how great the overall show was.

Despite The Miz vs. Boogeyman and the Diva contest, every other single match was PPV quality, even Jimmy Wang Yang vs. Gregory Helms picked up in the end to be a great contest.

MOTN hands down goes to the fatal four way tag team ladder match. It surpassed my dream match being the Londricks vs. Hardys, but also vs. MNM and Regal/Taylor. What I don't understand is why this match wasn't announced before the show. It certainly would have got more PPV buys and it would have been nice to watch the show with a positive note. It's a surprise nonethelesss, and it was a very, very, very good one. Okay I like a spot-fest, and the match reflected it. Huge props to the Kendrick, London, Nitro, and both Hardys for their five star performance. Couldn't have asked for more from these guys. They showcased their ability and potential in this match indeed.

Now onto Mercury, damn. Okay, so I wasn't exactly liking his involvement in the match since he seemed rusty and unaware of what he could do, but what a way to leave the arena. Seeing his puddle of blood gave me the chills and I sure hope nothing too serious happened to him and that he makes a safe recovery. Pretty clever move by Jeff I must say though.

The PPV was solid, no doubt, but with two scenarios, I wasn't as fooled as those in the arena. I'm talking about two spots:
1. Inferno Match - Kane vs. MVP: Gee, I wonder what MVP was wearing underneath is attire. Not that I wanted to see flesh being burned, no...
2. Last Ride Match - Undertaker vs. Ken Kennedy: Gee, was that a bed disguised under a black blanket when Kennedy threw Taker from the top of the arena area?

Well, I'm just glad I got out of the way. Spectacular PPV nonetheless.

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#45 Link256
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Just watched the match on 24/7 and while I realized, beforehand, this is the match where Mercury broke his nose, I did not truly appreciate the injury until seeing it for myself. I mean, I knew things were going to be bloody, but damn... not only was his face completely covered in blood, however, there was good-sized puddle of blood remaining on the floor. On that note, for my money, this is kind of shot you show your to friends, when they say to you "wrestling is fake." If that does not change their mind, I am not sure what will because, off the top of my head, I cannot think of time in wrestling where I have seen so much blood, so quickly.

Other than that, as far as I am concerned, Brian Kendrick is lucky did not kill himself with that botched float-over inverted DDT off the ladder. In my humble opinion, the guy's lucky he did not break his damn neck.

As for the match itself, I would go with rating of 4-stars. Despite being cluster-**** and having rather anti-climatic ending, spot-fest or not, the match just featured some awesome spots, that mashed together in great-and-effective matter.

With that being said, after watching this match, comparing things from than and now, while I have always been fan of London and Kendrick, in my humble opinion, its damn shame that these days, they have been reduced to nothing more than couple of ******* jobbers.

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#46 The_Dude14
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Other than that, as far as I am concerned, Brian Kendrick is lucky did not kill himself with that botched float-over inverted DDT off the ladder. In my humble opinion, the guy's lucky he did not break his damn neck.Link256
I'm fairly certain the intention was for Sliced Bread off the Ladder, but Kendrick didn't get over, which lead to that scary bump.

As for the match itself, I would go with rating of 4-stars. Despite being cluster-**** and having rather anti-climatic ending, spot-fest or not, the match just featured some awesome spots, that mashed together in great-and-effective matter.

With that being said, after watching this match, comparing things from than and now, while I have always been fan of London and Kendrick, in my humble opinion, its damn shame that these days, they have been reduced to nothing more than couple of ******* jobbers.Link256

I am almost as upset that Joey Mercury is not a WWE employee as I am the plight of London and Kendrick, all things considered. Dude came back early, wearing the freakin Mankind mask to protect his still injured face, and got nothing but jobbed out and fired.

Personally, I wish the match had done more for London and Kendrick, but I don't know how that could be possible, especially with the Hardys in the match. I don't think enough was really done in the match or after the match to really put over how big it should have been for London and Kendrick to beat the Hardys in a ladder match. I think they missed a kind of "passing the torch" kind of opportunity. Regardless, its certainly all moot now, since London and Kendrick moved to Raw. They really should have made them Tag champs for life on Smackdown. They definately should not have lost to Deuce and Domino. Who are Smackdown's Tag Champs?

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Morrison and Miz