1080i is a lag ??

try 720p. im pretty sure i speak for almost everyone when i say 720p is the best for video games.

i know there's a better technical explanation for this, but basically, 1080i is better for slower motion, like movies, tv. 720p is better for faster motion, like video games.

What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

FyNoMeNoN

If it supports 1080i it will support 720p

1080i is NOT an upscale... it's almost like 480+480 (by the "480" I mean the vertical standard resolution, I know the sum would not match the 1080) showing 2 images rapidly, like odds and evens lines. while "p" (as for progressive, and "i" for interlaced) show the whole picture at the same time, frame by frame (any chops you see here is merely the game's fault).

the 1080p is the upscale mode, which I don't have a 1080p tv to try that out - people say it might produce some in-game lag.

maybe it's your TV that can't quite process fast moving image data (HDMI has better data transfer ratio and tvs with a 5 miliseconds of response time would be better)

So wat do u guys think i should play on ?? I dont actually know how good is the response time of my tv.. but i got 2 plasma tvs.. the one i play on is the panasonic 42'' one.. the other is a pioneer 50'' and it also dont support 1080p.. so wat do u guys think i should set the resolution on ?? on the panasonic 42'' the 1080i seems lagging.. i have noticed like a 1 sec delay from one i press something on the controller and when it occurs on screen.. so any final advice ?

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What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

RJLateralus

If it supports 1080i it will support 720p

incorrect, mine supports 1080i only. I play all my games at 1080i and have never noticed a lag.

I say 720p is the way to go. If the TV supports 1080i, then it will support 720p. A previous poster was correct, 1080i is for slower motion and 720p is for rapid motion. Which actually renders 1080i somewhat useless, because 95% of television these days is fast motion.

My TV doesn't support 1080p so I can't comment on how that looks and I don't even know anyone with a TV that supports 1080p.

I say 720p is the way to go. If the TV supports 1080i, then it will support 720p. A previous poster was correct, 1080i is for slower motion and 720p is for rapid motion. Which actually renders 1080i somewhat useless, because 95% of television these days is fast motion.

My TV doesn't support 1080p so I can't comment on how that looks and I don't even know anyone with a TV that supports 1080p.

GSU28

you people have no idea what you are talking about... it's simply amazing. 720 and 1080 means how many lines of resolution is displayed on the screen and if it's interlaced or progressive, it has nothing to do with "fast or slow motion" and one is not better than the other depending on the speed of motion on the screen.

If your TV supports 1080 that does NOT mean it's supports 720. You guys are just making stuff up at this point. The true reason that 720p is better than 1080i for gaming is that you are actually refreshing more on the screen with 720p. Since you refresh all 720 lines at a time as opposed to refreshing half at a time of 1080 (or 540 at the time). 1080p would be the superior choice if a game carries that native resolution, if not it's just an upscale and not doing much good.

If you don't know what you are talking about don't make stuff up and post it.

Guys ! I just found out that my t.v only supports 420p and 1080i, there's no 720p supported.. lol.. i guess mfp16 was talking right.. that panasonic 42'' tv only supports 1080i through component cables.. i guess i'll just have to remove from my mind the thought that there's some kind of delay in fast moving games.. and that the game is just like that.. so any final advice for me ??

I am in the same boat as you, my TV only supports 1080i as well. Be thankful your don't own a PS3 or your games would almost all run in SD instead of HD.

Frame drops you are experiencing aren't any different than the ones you would experience at 720 either. The 360 has a hardware upscaler so that doesn't happen. If you get lag so does everyone else. It's more of a placebo thing, your looking for something that really isn't there.

[QUOTE="GSU28"]

I say 720p is the way to go. If the TV supports 1080i, then it will support 720p. A previous poster was correct, 1080i is for slower motion and 720p is for rapid motion. Which actually renders 1080i somewhat useless, because 95% of television these days is fast motion.

My TV doesn't support 1080p so I can't comment on how that looks and I don't even know anyone with a TV that supports 1080p.

mfp16

you people have no idea what you are talking about... it's simply amazing. 720 and 1080 means how many lines of resolution is displayed on the screen and if it's interlaced or progressive, it has nothing to do with "fast or slow motion" and one is not better than the other depending on the speed of motion on the screen.

If your TV supports 1080 that does NOT mean it's supports 720. You guys are just making stuff up at this point. The true reason that 720p is better than 1080i for gaming is that you are actually refreshing more on the screen with 720p. Since you refresh all 720 lines at a time as opposed to refreshing half at a time of 1080 (or 540 at the time). 1080p would be the superior choice if a game carries that native resolution, if not it's just an upscale and not doing much good.

If you don't know what you are talking about don't make stuff up and post it.

You need quicker refresh for quicker motion you do know that right? Slower motion doesn't need to be refreshed as quickly hence 1080i is for slower motion.

Think about it as frame rate. If you play a racing game and drive a car at 120 mph than you are going to be moving fast... now if you don't refresh the frame rate quickly it will jump all over the place. Now if you are driving the car at 5 mph you don't need to refresh the frame rate as quickly because well it is moving slow as hell.

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="GSU28"]

I say 720p is the way to go. If the TV supports 1080i, then it will support 720p. A previous poster was correct, 1080i is for slower motion and 720p is for rapid motion. Which actually renders 1080i somewhat useless, because 95% of television these days is fast motion.

My TV doesn't support 1080p so I can't comment on how that looks and I don't even know anyone with a TV that supports 1080p.

Agent_Kaliaver

you people have no idea what you are talking about... it's simply amazing. 720 and 1080 means how many lines of resolution is displayed on the screen and if it's interlaced or progressive, it has nothing to do with "fast or slow motion" and one is not better than the other depending on the speed of motion on the screen.

If your TV supports 1080 that does NOT mean it's supports 720. You guys are just making stuff up at this point. The true reason that 720p is better than 1080i for gaming is that you are actually refreshing more on the screen with 720p. Since you refresh all 720 lines at a time as opposed to refreshing half at a time of 1080 (or 540 at the time). 1080p would be the superior choice if a game carries that native resolution, if not it's just an upscale and not doing much good.

If you don't know what you are talking about don't make stuff up and post it.

You need quicker refresh for quicker motion you do know that right? Slower motion doesn't need to be refreshed as quickly hence 1080i is for slower motion.

Think about it as frame rate. If you play a racing game and drive a car at 120 mph than you are going to be moving fast... now if you don't refresh the frame rate quickly it will jump all over the place. Now if you are driving the car at 5 mph you don't need to refresh the frame rate as quickly because well it is moving slow as hell.

they refresh at the same time... refresh rate has nothing to do with lines of resolution, you are thinking about frames per second.

Refresh rates are completely on the game and the hardware, it doesn't matter how many lines of resolution your TV is displaying (at least not on the xbox as it has a hardware upscaler).

[QUOTE="RJLateralus"][QUOTE="FyNoMeNoN"]

What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

mfp16

incorrect, mine supports 1080i only. I play all my games at 1080i and have never noticed a lag.

Weird tv I have never heard of a tv supporting 1080i andn ot 720p you got ripped off IMO.

If it supports 1080i it will support 720p

[QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="RJLateralus"][QUOTE="FyNoMeNoN"]

What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

Tha_lazyboi

incorrect, mine supports 1080i only. I play all my games at 1080i and have never noticed a lag.

Weird tv I have never heard of a tv supporting 1080i andn ot 720p you got ripped off IMO.

If it supports 1080i it will support 720p

Virtually all the first HDTVs made for upwards of a year are in this boat, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lool.. i'm supporting u mfp16.. coz we got the same issue at least.. maybe its just a placebo thing.. i just need to forget all about it.. coz i habe that issue in my personality when i put something in my mind i just keep looking for it and will be positive in the end.. so i guess its ok to play on 1080i on my 42'' panasonic plasma ?FyNoMeNoN

yeah dude, the xbox has a hardware upscaler like I said. It's all the same on the xbox. Now the PS3 is a different story, if you buy one of those you are just screwed since it has no upscaler.

[QUOTE="Tha_lazyboi"][QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="RJLateralus"][QUOTE="FyNoMeNoN"]

What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

mfp16

incorrect, mine supports 1080i only. I play all my games at 1080i and have never noticed a lag.

Weird tv I have never heard of a tv supporting 1080i andn ot 720p you got ripped off IMO.

If it supports 1080i it will support 720p

Virtually all the first HDTVs made for upwards of a year are in this boat, you have no idea what you are talking about.

What brand is your tv?

Here is an article on joystiq outlining the problem thousands of users are having with sets like ours on PS3s.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/15/720p-ps3-games-downscale-on-older-hd-sets/

Once again, if you don't know what you are talking about don't post it.

It sucks, especially when I play Gears of War or Rainbow Six Vegas 2thegame458

Wat sucks ? lol

I have a Panasonic plasma tv which i think doesn't support 1080p coz when i select 1080p it doesn't work.. only 1080i works.. i'm connecting the xbox 360 through component cables.. its just that i noticed that there's some kind of lag while i'm playing.. or some kind of slow down.. its just hard to drive a car in GTA 4 or tackle a player in UEFA Euro 08.. there's some kind of a one sec lag.. dunno.. but i think this should not be normal.. as i dont think microsoft created the xbox 360 to work properly only on 1080p.. i've heard b4 that games r originally in a 720p resolution and then when they're upscaled to 1080i it lags a little.. so wat do u guys think about this ??FyNoMeNoN

GTA 4 runs choppy as hell, it could be just that... but I was wondering if you use any extentions on your HDMI cable... the longer the cable, the more delay. I notice a slight delay on a 35 foot hdmi cable when compared to a 7 foot cable. (tested this on my pc)

GTA 4 runs choppy as hell, it could be just that... but I was wondering if you use any extentions on your HDMI cable... the longer the cable, the more delay. I notice a slight delay on a 35 foot hdmi cable when compared to a 7 foot cable. (tested this on my pc)

Old_Gooseberry

Actually i'm connecting it through component not HDMI.. so definately no extensions either..

[QUOTE="GSU28"]

I say 720p is the way to go. If the TV supports 1080i, then it will support 720p. A previous poster was correct, 1080i is for slower motion and 720p is for rapid motion. Which actually renders 1080i somewhat useless, because 95% of television these days is fast motion.

My TV doesn't support 1080p so I can't comment on how that looks and I don't even know anyone with a TV that supports 1080p.

mfp16

you people have no idea what you are talking about... it's simply amazing. 720 and 1080 means how many lines of resolution is displayed on the screen and if it's interlaced or progressive, it has nothing to do with "fast or slow motion" and one is not better than the other depending on the speed of motion on the screen.

If your TV supports 1080 that does NOT mean it's supports 720. You guys are just making stuff up at this point. The true reason that 720p is better than 1080i for gaming is that you are actually refreshing more on the screen with 720p. Since you refresh all 720 lines at a time as opposed to refreshing half at a time of 1080 (or 540 at the time). 1080p would be the superior choice if a game carries that native resolution, if not it's just an upscale and not doing much good.

If you don't know what you are talking about don't make stuff up and post it.

You need to go ask someone to change your diaper, dude. You seem to have a bit of misplaced anger.

[QUOTE="Agent_Kaliaver"][QUOTE="mfp16"][QUOTE="GSU28"]

I say 720p is the way to go. If the TV supports 1080i, then it will support 720p. A previous poster was correct, 1080i is for slower motion and 720p is for rapid motion. Which actually renders 1080i somewhat useless, because 95% of television these days is fast motion.

My TV doesn't support 1080p so I can't comment on how that looks and I don't even know anyone with a TV that supports 1080p.

mfp16

you people have no idea what you are talking about... it's simply amazing. 720 and 1080 means how many lines of resolution is displayed on the screen and if it's interlaced or progressive, it has nothing to do with "fast or slow motion" and one is not better than the other depending on the speed of motion on the screen.

If your TV supports 1080 that does NOT mean it's supports 720. You guys are just making stuff up at this point. The true reason that 720p is better than 1080i for gaming is that you are actually refreshing more on the screen with 720p. Since you refresh all 720 lines at a time as opposed to refreshing half at a time of 1080 (or 540 at the time). 1080p would be the superior choice if a game carries that native resolution, if not it's just an upscale and not doing much good.

If you don't know what you are talking about don't make stuff up and post it.

You need quicker refresh for quicker motion you do know that right? Slower motion doesn't need to be refreshed as quickly hence 1080i is for slower motion.

Think about it as frame rate. If you play a racing game and drive a car at 120 mph than you are going to be moving fast... now if you don't refresh the frame rate quickly it will jump all over the place. Now if you are driving the car at 5 mph you don't need to refresh the frame rate as quickly because well it is moving slow as hell.

they refresh at the same time... refresh rate has nothing to do with lines of resolution, you are thinking about frames per second.

Refresh rates are completely on the game and the hardware, it doesn't matter how many lines of resolution your TV is displaying (at least not on the xbox as it has a hardware upscaler).

Did you think that the game may always be refreshing that fast, but you tv isn't keeping up with it? I used the FPS as an example... i wasn't saying they are the same.

Back when i played Cod2 (i started on SD) and it would run without any type of lag, but whenever i put on HD (720 or 1080) it would lag IF i used a sniper scope (yes i know i said 720p and 1080i....). I know other people never have trouble like me and their game always ran fine even on HD. Now would that have been my 360 or game WHICH is EXACTLY like theirs? Or could it be my tv not keeping up with my 360?

Have the 360 ouput 720pCradleXX

Looks like u didnt read any of wat was posted other than the topic title.. lol

old rct tvs, that are "hd", they either support 480p or 1080i (i believe there's a 32" samsung rct hdtv with that specs)

i believe that's the case of some older plasma models, which support 480p (720x480 or something like that) OR 1080i (i mean in the same model). not every hd tvs necessarily support both 720p/1080i displays settings.

maybe your tv doesn't "natively" support the 1080i (if it is a 480p, that is), so YOUR tv upscale all the image data (not the 360), and after processing it, it displays at 1080i. that might produce some response/displaying lag. but it has nothing to do with your 360/game chopping fast motion.

if the tv is 720p and supports 1080i (which is my case), there should NOT be any lag (again, not game related) at 1080i.

if your tv is 480p (that 42" you have), leave at 480p.

But guys.. if i play on 480p its still lagging.. and the graphics will look the same as on a standard tv.. i just played again now on 1080i and there is definately something with the response time.. there is some 1 sec delay.. its definately something with the screen.. anymore advice ?FyNoMeNoN

buy the HDMI cable

buy the HDMI cable

tennisacerg

Cant do that.. my console is a core console.. and even if i had a premium console it wouldnt be that easy to get a HDMI cable.. i live in egypt.. and i got my component cables one time when i was in prague.. so our lives aint that easy dude

But guys.. if i play on 480p its still lagging.. and the graphics will look the same as on a standard tv.. i just played again now on 1080i and there is definately something with the response time.. there is some 1 sec delay.. its definately something with the screen.. anymore advice ?FyNoMeNoN

Maybe your xbox is defective? Do you have another tv to try sd on?

[QUOTE="tennisacerg"]

buy the HDMI cable

FyNoMeNoN

Cant do that.. my console is a core console.. and even if i had a premium console it wouldnt be that easy to get a HDMI cable.. i live in egypt.. and i got my component cables one time when i was in prague.. so our lives aint that easy dude

my bad

even older consoles can use hdmi there is an adaptor finally

just order online??

some people are so funny on here. LMAO... some of you are saying there's no such thing as a tv that only does 480p and 1080i, yall need to do some more research. When HDTVs came out it was only 480p and 1080i there was NO 720p! Google it... wiki it... do something besides pulling things out of the air lol.

Also if this guy says his tv doesn't have 720p then IT DOESN'T HAVE 720p. I'm sure he would know what his tv has more that we would being the fact that he is hands on with it!

Last but not least it has been proven over and over and over... "FOR GAMING" Progressive scan is ALWAYS better than Interlaced. Now watching hd movies or blu-ray movies are a different story they seem to show better on 1080i due to images not moving so fast like in games. However overall 1080p is the ultimate solution.

even older consoles can use hdmi there is an adaptor finally

just order online??

lbhocky19

Where can you get HDMI Adaptors from? im in the UK btw.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8648449&st=360+hdmi&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1195599144147

thats the link on best buys site for it i dunno of anywhere in the UK though but i know gamestop also carries it here

[QUOTE="RJLateralus"][QUOTE="FyNoMeNoN"]

What if my tv doesn't support 720p ?? I'm not sure it does or not but if it does that would make the graphics a little less but there will be no lag ?

mfp16

If it supports 1080i it will support 720p

incorrect, mine supports 1080i only. I play all my games at 1080i and have never noticed a lag.