360 Elite Solves Three Rings

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware? 

i hope thats true cause im on my third 360 in just 5 months and i was thinking of getting the elite to solve this problem.

but buy it from wall-mart or other superstores like best buy seeing that they have better return policies unlike eb games or gamestop exc.

i hope thats true cause im on my third 360 in just 5 months and i was thinking of getting the elite to solve this problem.

but buy it from wall-mart or other superstores like best buy seeing that they have better return policies unlike eb games or gamestop exc.

haste2099

[QUOTE="haste2099"]

i hope thats true cause im on my third 360 in just 5 months and i was thinking of getting the elite to solve this problem.

but buy it from wall-mart or other superstores like best buy seeing that they have better return policies unlike eb games or gamestop exc.

subrosian

I pay for what i think is the best version of the 360 only to find out that they are about to release a new one thats better and costs even more.....that really pisses me off!!! They should have put moe time into making it rigt the first time, sure my PS3 cost 600 but at least with all the hardware they put in it i know i'm not gona have to buy anew one because its better anytime soon. Thank you sony :)

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware?

subrosian

Subrosian do you think i should just get the elite as my first system?? I was planning on buying one in mid-april so should i pick up the elite instead for its bonuses and the fact i will get really pissed if it breaks on me?Breesy

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware?

death1505921

[QUOTE="death1505921"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware?

rappid_rabbit

Mine is broken, I'm not s**tting a brick though, I have a 2yr. warranty so I'm gonna wait 'till the Elite comes out and try to pull a switcheroo. I'll probably have to pay the difference but out of pocket shouldn't be that bad.bubnux

I have a premium and it has never broke, but given the ELITEs new features, and the fact that i have a hdtv, i think its worth it. I am selling my xbox 360 and buying this new system...xfan-atic

[QUOTE="Breesy"]Subrosian do you think i should just get the elite as my first system?? I was planning on buying one in mid-april so should i pick up the elite instead for its bonuses and the fact i will get really pissed if it breaks on me?subrosian

While I do respect your opinion and agree with you on many points, I don't believe poor sodering to be the main concern facing the 360's hardware failures. While I do agree that the Elite will most definetly be getting a new motherboard, I think the root of the problem stems from what is not being changed in the Elite, the processor, the disk drive, and the PSU. I'm sure poor sodering has lead to a certain number of hardware failures, the main problem currently with the 360 is overheating, and with no radical design changes to the fan, processor or PSU, will continue to plague the 360.

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

 

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

 

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

 

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware?

subrosian

Only thing I want is the bigger HD and the ability to take all my old data off my 20 gig HD and put it on the new one. I was at the understanding that the 3 rings stemmed from the solder used on the GPU. It wasnt lead based and therefore after extended use could cause the GPU to fail because the solder would loosen up oncethe 360 got warm? 

The 360 Elite will not have an entirely new motherboard.  The motherboard will have extra tracers but that doesn't make it new.  Just call it a different version.  Don't act like its going to be something like a next-gen motherboard, because its not.  And in theory you wouldn't even have to have a new version of the motherboard.  You could just slap an extra chip in there with the proper coding and tracing required to support HDMI.  Take that to your electrical engineering class.

i hope thats true cause im on my third 360 in just 5 months and i was thinking of getting the elite to solve this problem.

but buy it from wall-mart or other superstores like best buy seeing that they have better return policies unlike eb games or gamestop exc.

haste2099

I think I would pick one up when my 360 dies. If ever. I have had mine since last Feb and have never had a problem with it. I would say that I play it a lot within moderation. I think there is some faulty stuff in a batch of 360s out there. But I think the biggest killer of 360s is marathon gamers. I mean the 360 is a powerhouse in a shoebox. No isolated processing unit with that kind of power can withstand 6 or seven hour marathons on a daily basis. Which is something that I have read in a lot of gamers with 360 disaster threads. Sure computers can go and go but the high end ones have cooling systems to keep the Processor, memory and GPU operating at a safe heat level. I am sure if there are flaws located inside of the 360 they are adjusting with each batch including the Elite model. Like someone said earlier, they cannot keep replacing broken systems. I think you will see though that people will burn up their Elite models just like the standard models. Also I know that if heat reaches dangerous levels the appropriate amount of rings will blink and the system will shut down. Obviously the machine needs that failsafe. However I feel that certain people think that system is in place to protect their 360's from hardware damage and that the ring of death they get later on is completely unrelated to the fact that they are continually running it so hard that they can make breakfast on it. Guaranteed the next gen will have coolant systems built in.lukeymonw

I am playing on a premium Xbox 360 manufactured on 2006-08-23. What's the chance of me seeing the three red lights?NicAgent

[QUOTE="NicAgent"]I am playing on a premium Xbox 360 manufactured on 2006-08-23. What's the chance of me seeing the three red lights?asmallchild

[QUOTE="haste2099"]

i hope thats true cause im on my third 360 in just 5 months and i was thinking of getting the elite to solve this problem.

but buy it from wall-mart or other superstores like best buy seeing that they have better return policies unlike eb games or gamestop exc.

subrosian

[QUOTE="death1505921"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

 

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

 

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

 

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware?

rappid_rabbit

[QUOTE="asmallchild"][QUOTE="NicAgent"]I am playing on a premium Xbox 360 manufactured on 2006-08-23. What's the chance of me seeing the three red lights?NicAgent

yea my brother friend who normally only talks about the PS3 like its a gift from god or something, but this Xbox 360 Elite has him pretty excited, and to see him talking about the the 360 with a smile on his face is a good thing. I wont be getting an elite since my origional 360 is still running fine. but i do hope they sell a 120g hardrive seprate...my hd is getting full!Oni_Ookami

I've heard some interesting discussion about the Elite using the 90nm chips, and about how this could mean the hardware failures are not solved. For a while I accepted this - after all - the 360 is a metal box underneath the plastic, and the hard drive is removable.

How hard is it to change the plastic case and slap in the bigger drive? But then it clicked - the HDMI port.

HDMI ports aren't just an add-on to the motherboard - a completely new PCB has to be made, with proper traces for the port - the system also needs changes to the video encoder so it can output the digital signal, and a new firmware.

 

So that left me with the realization - the Elite is a new motherboard, meaning new manufacturing. Even if they haven't come out and said it, Microsoft is aware of *exactly* what cause the 360 hardware failures (we believe it to be poor motherboard soldering). And, therefore, given this new motherboard, I have a strong feeling that they'll be subtly making changes to fix this.

 

After all, it's not in their best interest to have to repair / replace systems.

 

The Elite. Better, more reliable hardware? 

subrosian

Wow this sucks, the Elite huh?

I just bought a premium 2 weeks ago.

Damn i guess Ill return it on April and cash in an extra 60 bucks.

:|

Wow this sucks, the Elite huh?

I just bought a premium 2 weeks ago.

Damn i guess Ill return it on April and cash in an extra 60 bucks.*

:|

subhumanpunk